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I don't think anyone really understands what is going on with the 1712. It is basically a stripped-down 1912 (no networking, USB, or video conversion) but with more legacy video support (2 component video inputs + 1 output) and MultEQ XT.

One can only presume that Denon is aiming it at a completely different market than the rest of the models, which seem to make logical sense as you go up the chain. The idea seems to be that it would appeal to buyers who still want robust component video support (e.g. older devices and/or lots of HDMI handshake problems) and cutting edge audio features (MultEQ XT) but don't give a crap about fancy new doo-dads like networking or USB connections, i.e. "here's all the audio quality without having to pay for the other junk you won't actually use". Color me confused still...

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Has anyone been able to find a 3312ci in stock? I called 6Ave, but nothing yet.
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what are you going to do with your gold and silver? walk into Walmart and buy some shoes with it? Buy land and cattle

check out the oppo 93 if you want dual HDMI out, arguably one of the best BDP's out there

When the dollar falls what will you use?? You still need some kind of purchasing power to buy land and cattle...or we can barter with our home theater systems...lol !!!!
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Has anyone been able to find a 3312ci in stock? I called 6Ave, but nothing yet.

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Cinema EQ has been a feature on Denon receivers for at least 10-15 years.

Almost EVERY digital receiver (not just Denon) has had some sort of "high freq rolloff" setting since digital Laser Disc & DVD soundtracks started coming out.

It's essentially an outdated technology at this point, having been superceded by things like THX RE-EQ and now Audyssey MultEQ, which incorporate their own high freq roll-offs to translate the film soundtrack into the home environment.

Again, I guess I was Sleeping in this Hot Weather

Must not of been that important to me to worry about it, just saw it listed on the 3312CI.

If anything, I want more Snap (Cymbals, etc.) on the Fast High Freq. Transients... how do I set that one up after running Audyssey?
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When the dollar falls what will you use?? You still need some kind of purchasing power to buy land and cattle...or we can barter with our home theater systems...lol !!!!

Second on the OPPO, as most AudioPhiles LOVE 'em, but might have to save for awhile, still pricey.
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If anything, I want more Snap (Cymbals, etc.) on the Fast High Freq. Transients... how do I set that one up after running Audyssey?

have you tried using Audyssey FLAT instead of the standard Audyssey curve?

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There is actually .. it's called the "Video Select" feature (p. 98); however, you'll need to connect a component video cable from the Sat/Cbl box and use that input source for it to work as it doesn't work with HDMI sources.

Thanks JD, I'll probably leave as is.
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have you tried using Audyssey FLAT instead of the standard Audyssey curve?

Thanks BatPig --

We will give that a try, as I have not tried that yet.

WOW -- What a difference going with Audyssey FLAT -- the High Fast Transients are now coming through strong, Worked Great, Thanks. Saved that back to BD, by holding down the BD for a few seconds to store it in Memory.

BTW -- when I go to Direct PURE, the Front Display Shuts OFF, how do I set it up to have it stay ON with Direct PURE?
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Thanks BatPig --

We will give that a try, as I have not tried that yet.

WOW -- What a difference going with Audyssey FLAT -- the High Fast Transients are now coming through strong, Worked Great, Thanks. Saved that back to BD, by holding down the BD for a few seconds to store it in Memory.

BTW -- when I go to Direct PURE, the Front Display Shuts OFF, how do I set it up to have it stay ON with Direct PURE?

Using "Direct" the display stays on and video out goes to TV. With "Pure Direct," the display goes out and video output is turned off. I believe this is to reduce interference.

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Using "Direct" the display stays on and video out goes to TV. With "Pure Direct," the display goes out and video output is turned off. I believe this is to reduce interference.

BTW, I'm selling my 1912 if anyone is interested. PM for price, well below MSRP.

Thanks Johnnyletrois --

I was just wondering if there is anyway to have the Denon fr. panel display on in Pure Direct mode, like is there a setting somewhere?

Why are you selling your 1912?

I am either going 3312 or 4311 (if I can scratch up the extra $$). Would love the 4311CI, as I think it would last for a few years.
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That would be defeating the purpose of Pure Direct which also shuts off all video circuitry (as that is the only difference between it and Direct).

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Thanks Johnnyletrois --

I was just wondering if there is anyway to have the Denon fr. panel display on in Pure Direct mode, like is there a setting somewhere?

Why are you selling your 1912?

I am either going 3312 or 4311 (if I can scratch up the extra $$). Would love the 4311CI, as I think it would last for a few years.

What JDSmoothie said. If you want the display to stay on, just use "Direct" mode.
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I don't think anyone really understands what is going on with the 1712. It is basically a stripped-down 1912 (no networking, USB, or video conversion) but with more legacy video support (2 component video inputs + 1 output) and MultEQ XT.

One can only presume that Denon is aiming it at a completely different market than the rest of the models, which seem to make logical sense as you go up the chain. The idea seems to be that it would appeal to buyers who still want robust component video support (e.g. older devices and/or lots of HDMI handshake problems) and cutting edge audio features (MultEQ XT) but don't give a crap about fancy new doo-dads like networking or USB connections, i.e. "here's all the audio quality without having to pay for the other junk you won't actually use". Color me confused still...

Well I think after going back and forth, I've finally decided to go with the 891 over the 1712. The 1712 may have MultEQ XT, but I think the combination of better DACs, video upscaling, video upconversion and 2 optical inputs, 1 optical out is a more compelling feature set. (I have an Hauppage HD PVR).

Thanks everyone for all the help, I'm going to find the best deal today. If I've missed anything in my comparison of the two AVRs, please let me know.
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As is always the case, the inputs needed obviously have a high priority; however, the DACs are the same and audio fidelity will still have to go to the 1712 with the better Audyssey.

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As is always the case, the inputs needed obviously have a high priority; however, the DACs are the same and audio fidelity will still have to go to the 1712 with the better Audyssey.

You're not planning on making this any easier for me are you?
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Thanks Johnnyletrois --

I was just wondering if there is anyway to have the Denon fr. panel display on in Pure Direct mode, like is there a setting somewhere?

Why are you selling your 1912?

I am either going 3312 or 4311 (if I can scratch up the extra $$). Would love the 4311CI, as I think it would last for a few years.

Selling the 1912 to get the 2112 now that it is available. Want MultiEQ XT.
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Selling the 1912 to get the 2112 now that it is available. Want MultiEQ XT.

How much of a SQ difference do you think you'll get between MultEQ and MultEQ XT?
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I don't think anyone really understands what is going on with the 1712. It is basically a stripped-down 1912 (no networking, USB, or video conversion) but with more legacy video support (2 component video inputs + 1 output) and MultEQ XT.

One can only presume that Denon is aiming it at a completely different market than the rest of the models, which seem to make logical sense as you go up the chain. The idea seems to be that it would appeal to buyers who still want robust component video support (e.g. older devices and/or lots of HDMI handshake problems) and cutting edge audio features (MultEQ XT) but don't give a crap about fancy new doo-dads like networking or USB connections, i.e. "here's all the audio quality without having to pay for the other junk you won't actually use". Color me confused still...

But sadly no upconversion.

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How much of a SQ difference do you think you'll get between MultEQ and MultEQ XT?

Not much with my current setup, but I prefer how the 2112 has knobs on both sides whereas the 1912 doesn't.
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Selling the 1912 to get the 2112 now that it is available. Want MultiEQ XT.

How much do u want for your 1912
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Selling the 1912 to get the 2112 now that it is available. Want MultiEQ XT.


Good idea to get the MultEQ XT, but you should consider the 3312CI so you get the larger Amps internally.

I know it is close to a Grand, but I am sure your not going to swap out your AVR every year or so, right?

I have the 3311CI and it also has the same power per channel as the 3312CI (125W/Ch.), and even running with very efficient speakers (Klipsch) at 98db I still added an amp at 200W/Channel (ACD).

Also, the 3312CI has the PreOuts for expanding later on, as you see fit. If you get the 2112CI it has NO preouts. To me kinda like an Anchor without a Rope.

Just my Opinion, as it would seem to me.
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That would be defeating the purpose of Pure Direct which also shuts off all video circuitry (as that is the only difference between it and Direct).

That's fine to shut off all the Video Cct., but GEEZ the small current to the front panel display should not create any problems , and it should be still 99.999% Pure ...

So I guess your answer is... You can NOT go to Pure Direct, and set it up to leave the Front Panel Display ON.

With the Front Panel Display OFF, I can not see what is going on with the AVR.
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Yes you can! It is called DIRECT mode. Read what JD said again.

The video being on vs off is literally the ONLY difference between "direct" and "pure direct".

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But sadly no upconversion.

I'm sure my ignorance on the subject will show, however I do have a question. The way I understand this part of 1712 it means that if I plug my Wii into the 1712, it won't be able to convert to a digital signal (HDMI) so I would still need to run the video portion up the to the TV directly. Is that correct?
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Yes you can! It is called DIRECT mode. Read what JD said again.

The video being on vs off is literally the ONLY difference between "direct" and "pure direct".

My Q: was "Is there anyway in setup to KEEP the Frnt. Panel Display ON, when in Pure Direct?"

I know the Fr. Panel is ON in Direct mode.

So the Ans: is NO WAY TO KEEP THE FR. PANEL DISPLAY "ON" IN PURE DIRECT MODE, as it shuts OFF the Video, along with the Front Panel Display, right?
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So now you are just fretting about semantics. Would it put your mind at ease if, instead of calling it direct & pure direct we called it pure direct & PURER direct?

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I'm sure my ignorance on the subject will show, however I do have a question. The way I understand this part of 1712 it means that if I plug my Wii into the 1712, it won't be able to convert to a digital signal (HDMI) so I would still need to run the video portion up the to the TV directly. Is that correct?
Yes, you would need a separate component cable to go from your AVR to your TV. So there are more cables to deal with, which is why I'm still considering the 891.
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