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Had the same problem and won't go back to Onkyo. I loved the receiver but not worth the trouble of it failing repetitively. I went back to Denon.
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Had the same problem and won't go back to Onkyo. I loved the receiver but not worth the trouble of it failing repetitively. I went back to Denon.
It's a real bummer. I honestly thought I was buying a receiver that would last me 5+ years. Instead I barely made it 2 years before the first failure. Then that fix messed up in the same way 3 months later. They fixed it again. It's ALMOST been a year since then and it's dead again. I was really impressed with the performance but I can't see myself buying Onkyo again after this. I've got it plugged into a UPS w/ Surge Protection and it was still fried, no storm, or anything. I'm getting the "Now Initializing" error, and HDMI is not working. I've been nagging support for 3 days now and they still haven't budged. Still hopeful that they'll do me a solid and give me a courtesy repair.

What Denon did you switch to that's comparable to the 809?

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It's a real bummer. I honestly thought I was buying a receiver that would last me 5+ years. Instead I barely made it 2 years before the first failure. Then that fix messed up in the same way 3 months later. They fixed it again. It's ALMOST been a year since then and it's dead again. I was really impressed with the performance but I can't see myself buying Onkyo again after this. I've got it plugged into a UPS w/ Surge Protection and it was still fried, no storm, or anything. I'm getting the "Now Initializing" error, and HDMI is not working. I've been nagging support for 3 days now and they still haven't budged. Still hopeful that they'll do me a solid and give me a courtesy repair.

What Denon did you switch to that's comparable to the 809?


Mine was a few years back. I went with the Denon x2000 which would be the x2300 for this year.
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I'm in the same boat as you with a Visio M70 and 809. I follow this thread and was hoping some of the videophiles would chime in and respond to your questions, I would be interested in their thoughts as well.
I just bought the M70 and am waiting a week for it. My Onkyo 809 has not had an update since 2012. I had it repaired for no video a couple of years ago (I don't remember exactly when) Should I update the firmware with the risk of bricking it? I thought the TV with upscale lower resolutions to 4k, so why bother having the Onkyo do it?
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I just bought the M70 and am waiting a week for it. My Onkyo 809 has not had an update since 2012. I had it repaired for no video a couple of years ago (I don't remember exactly when) Should I update the firmware with the risk of bricking it? I thought the TV with upscale lower resolutions to 4k, so why bother having the Onkyo do it?
Yes, no reason. Additionally, the 809 scaling is of poor quality. Check some of the earlier posts on scaling quality. It's best to leave the setting as "through".
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So I recently got a Monoprice Monolith 7 ch ext amp and quickly discovered the 809's limitations with regards to using an ext app. So yes, the 809 has pre-outs, but that's the end of the support.

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No Zone 1 trigger.

You can use the USB port if you make an adapter (which I did) and your ext amp will trigger on +5v (the Monolith does), but it's always "on" if you're using the HDMI pass through feature and/or the "net control" feature (allows one to turn on amp via network)

I was using both of those features, but decided I can live without them, for now.

The big issue - Audyssey setup!

So I have a 7.1 speaker setup. Not using height or wide fronts. When you do Audyssey calibration, it ignores your speaker setup and "tests" for speakers at every location during the first point cal.

This works fine when using the internal 809 amps, not so much when using an ext amp as the pre-out for the rears and front wide/height speakers are shared.

So when the 809 Audyssey goes about it first point "is a speaker there" test, it finds one for all six speakers: rears, front height, & front wides!

This really messes up the calibration - making for hollow weird sounding sound stage.

I had to cover the cal mic when it was sending out a signal to my "phantom" front wides/height speakers to it couldn't detect them so I could complete the cal.

I'll be getting an Atmos AVR soon, but it won't be an Onkyo!
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This avr is still being hammered by some... Few....

I sold Onkyo, Denon, Sony, HK, Marantz and McIntosh.

Onkyo, to their credit, extended the warranty by years. Only company I have ever seen do that even when they knew they may have screwed the pooch.... Ever.

Bad Scaling? Compared to what? At the time the two line video scalers were available, the Onkyo 809 had Both. Sure, back in 2011, 2160 p was rare as no displays for common folk had enough pixels to matter, but to say that the upconversion from 480i to 1080p was iffy just does not ring true.

Test Patterns Prove this.

Of course, with bd being the game online right now... Who cares? Through, as you say, works well. By the way, that leave the scaler in the loop. Direct, omits any scaling.

But if you are shooting 110" image from an old old old DVD, the scaler incorporated into the 809 is stellar.... Still! Almost no artifacting and while a bit of cleaning with most higher end fp's, good results are there.

Just as an FYI, I sold a bunch of 809's. None.. ZERO, I sold have had issues. Others have for sure and Onkyo responded with reasonable warranty extensions.

Just getting tired of the incorrect bashing perhaps.

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Been silent for years on this forum but a change in displays has me back in the forums left to catch up on all the advancements of the past 4 years....

I owned the TXNR809 without any issue for several years. My new display is HDR and 4K compatible (Vizio M65-D0). I see that the Onkyo is "4K Compatible" meaning it upscales to 4K. From what I gather, it doesn't allow 4K pass-through which doesn't phase me since there isn't much 4K sources out there anyway.

The answer regarding HDR though, is less clear. Will the AVR allow the pass-through of HDR? I haven't had an opportunity to test this yet but with the upcoming PS4 update, I would like to be prepared.
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The 809 will not as you know " pass through" a 4 k signal. Included in that is HDR's expanded color gamut, and corresponding contrast ratios afforded by rec 2020 range.

You are also correct that there is a dearth of source material and that which is available is still very much in a "formative" stage.

The 809 will although still possess the audio capabilities it has now. Your sources with HDR will need to be routed directly to the the HDR display with audio routed to the avr through toslink or similar digital inputs. (even hdmi) if the source has that output capacity.

Imo and many others, the game changer will be when there is sufficient media available to warrant a major overhaul of adequate sound reproduction gear with the corresponding ability of displays and the finalization of the new format.

Heck, top of the line theaters are still working out the bugs.

Not the best of timesnto be an early adopter. 4k was and still is of marginal value. HDR, on the other hand, may well be fabulous for those with emissive displays. Projectors in theater home systems are really a ways out unless you wish to completely disregard reflective light output, ie.. You would like to be able to see the next day after viewing a film.

Again, pretty much just my opinion. I want the CR that HDR affords, who would not. The problem is that without a verified standard and a means to measure that standard, we are going to have to just wing it with our gear and go with the flow for a bit.

Your 809 and for that matter almost all avr's will do a fine job as aural switchers. They will be necessarily replaced by those that will work with the new standards once those are set and there is enough media to drive the market to upgrade.

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The 809 will not as you know " pass through" a 4 k signal. Included in that is HDR's expanded color gamut, and corresponding contrast ratios afforded by rec 2020 range.

You are also correct that there is a dearth of source material and that which is available is still very much in a "formative" stage.

The 809 will although still possess the audio capabilities it has now. Your sources with HDR will need to be routed directly to the the HDR display with audio routed to the avr through toslink or similar digital inputs. (even hdmi) if the source has that output capacity.

Imo and many others, the game changer will be when there is sufficient media available to warrant a major overhaul of adequate sound reproduction gear with the corresponding ability of displays and the finalization of the new format.

Heck, top of the line theaters are still working out the bugs.

Not the best of timesnto be an early adopter. 4k was and still is of marginal value. HDR, on the other hand, may well be fabulous for those with emissive displays. Projectors in theater home systems are really a ways out unless you wish to completely disregard reflective light output, ie.. You would like to be able to see the next day after viewing a film.

Again, pretty much just my opinion. I want the CR that HDR affords, who would not. The problem is that without a verified standard and a means to measure that standard, we are going to have to just wing it with our gear and go with the flow for a bit.

Your 809 and for that matter almost all avr's will do a fine job as aural switchers. They will be necessarily replaced by those that will work with the new standards once those are set and there is enough media to drive the market to upgrade.

All the best
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Thanks for the great response. Naturally I will mess around with my 809 and the PS3 when the HDR update comes through but at least I now know we are in between the tides of the technology. Helps explain why I'm not seeing a ton of info in my research. Thanks again!


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4K upscaling questions

So I see there has recently been talk of some of the 4K features of the 809 and I'm still scratching my head a little bit about exactly the "4K upscaling" means.

I recently upgraded from a 32" 720p to a 55" 4K.
In all honestly, I'm not too much into the 4K hype just yet, but it was at a point where a 4K TV was just easier to find than a 1080 and I figured at the same price point I might as well future proof a bit.

The TV is a TCL 55US5800. I am using the 809 to pass through my HTPC connection.
My HTPC has an AMD Radeon 6550D that is only capably of 1080 resolution.

That being said, I'm not expecting to get true 4K from my HTPC at this point at all - because I can't output without upgrading the video card and I don't believe I will do that for at least another year. However I'm trying to figure out what the resolution setting of 4K Upscaling on the 809 is supposed to accomplish. From the posts above - I also realize that even if I could output true 4K from the HTPC, the 809 couldn't pass it through directly (right?).

Quite honestly, when I'm playing a 1080 source (via KODI on my HTPC) I can see no difference between the various "Picture Mode" settings on the 809.

Whether I have it set to Direct (which my understanding is nothing is processed by the 809), or if I set it to "Custom" and choose "4K Upscaling" for the resolution.

I *thought* that choosing 4K upscaling would scale a 1080 source to 4K using the internals of the 809. This way the TV would receive a native 4K signal and do no further processing on it.

The TV however reports that it is receiving a 1080 signal with the 4K upscaling enabled, so it is likely doing its own processing on it. I honestly don't know if the Onkyo will do a better job at upscaling than the TV, but since I seemingly can't even get the Onkyo to try - I don't know.

I'm sure I'm not the only one using an HTPC that doesn't natively output beyond 1080 with a 4K TV. Can someone let me know what I have wrong in the equation here or what I should/should not be expecting.

Thanks.

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