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post #211 of 6139 Old 07-19-2011, 03:36 AM
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Did you run Audyssey calibration with it turned off? (It does make a difference in my system, but you have to re-calibrate after every change)[/quote]

I believe it is off by default. So it would have been off when I ran it.

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Ok, suggest visiting the eD thread and ask about adding polyfill to your A2-300 sub. As other has done so to help reduce the possibility of bottoming out.

I'll look into that. I didn't know you could use polyfill on a ported sub. I've used it on my sealed enclosures in my car subs in the past. But remember, sub works perfectly when calibrated by my Pioneer Elite VSX-23.
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A little off topic here but it is Onkyo TX-NR809 related.

I've been holding off for a while buying the Onky receive primarily because my Pioneer rear projection monitor (CRT) doesn't have HDMI. I'm kind of surprised that others haven't mentioned this as I assume I can't be the only one who has a pre-HDMI monitor.

This maybe an obvious question, but does your display feature a DVI port? Those were pretty common on HD CRT sets back in the day (My 26" Samsung set has one). If so, you should get an DVI - HDMI cable.

If not, disregard obviously. I can't say I'm familiar with the conversion device you mention, so no opinion there.......
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Amazon is now at $699. Just purchased my replacement to the 808 which failed.
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Do not remember anyone has mentioned explicitly about the heat. How hot the 809 runs compared to the older models (805-808)
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Hello all, I have a problem that I hope someone may have an idea about.

Quick backstory: I have a Pioneer Elite Receiver (VSX-81TXV) that I was using with a set of Klipsch Reference speakers. All was well but the Klipsch RS-7 speakers are HUGE and way too large for the 14' x 16' room. Then I came across a great deal on a set of Totem Dreamcatcher 5.1 surround speakers at a local store that was closing and the this sounded like a great way to save space in the room. I swapped the Klipsch speakers out and the Totems in. The problem started - when certain loud music or movie audio would play, the receiver would turn itself off and flash one of the lights on the display. It wasn't hot so it didn't seem to be overheating, and it started with the new Totem speakers, so I did some research and my conclusion was that the 4 Ohm Totems may not be fully compatible with my older receiver. So I started my hunt for a new receiver and purchased an Onkyo NR809.

So I started my hunt for a new receiver and decided after much research that the Onkyo NR809 was the way to go since it is 4ohm certified. I spent the day replacing the Pioneer and connecting all my equipment to the new Onkyo and I thought all was well again. But no. I was listening to a Dave Mathews Band CD and when the music kicked in, the Onkyo turned itself off. So I'm having the same problem again - high volume makes the receiver turn itself off. Went through the Onkyo troubleshooting process which involves disconnecting EVERYTHING from the receiver and letting it sit for an hour. Determined it is NOT the receiver... didn't think it was since the Pioneer did the same thing. My question is, does anyone have any ideas what my problem could be? Are these Totems just too much trouble?

Here are the troubleshooting steps that I've taken:

The set the Onkyo to the 4 Ohms speaker configuration, checked all connections and the speaker wires are all connected and none are crossed.

I tried a dedicated power source for the receiver thinking maybe it was drawing too much power and that was causing the problem (used a 14gauge extension cord to a designated kitchen outlet which is on a 20amp breaker)

I checked the speaker wire thickness and they are all 16 gauge. Maximum speaker wire length is about 35'. I've ordered 12 gauge speaker wire to see if somehow this may be the problem.

Any suggestions anyone has would be greatly appreciated. I'm not very technical about audio stuff, I just appreciate good sound! BTW the receiver sounds great when it's running!!
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AseeNJ, if you are certain the speaker wires aren't touching each other (at speaker and receiver) maybe one of the Totems are bad. Two ways to determine if this is the case is to swap them for another set (maybe a family member or friend can bring some book shelf spkrs or something) OR you can try disconnecting one speaker at a time and play some loud music. Hopefully this will help you rule out if one or more speakers are on the blink.

Good luck and keep the thread posted.
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Didn't mean to hijack this forum since it really isn't the fault of the receiver. I should probably open a new thread!

Thanks for the suggestion joeyvaz. I forgot to mention that I did disconnect the rears since the run of cable is longer but got the same result. Receiver kicks off when the db level reaches between 60-70. The totem front channel and rears are identical, so when I get home I'll try swapping them out. This may identify if them problem is in the speaker itself.
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Do not remember anyone has mentioned explicitly about the heat. How hot the 809 runs compared to the older models (805-808)
I will give a bump for this question, as I also would like a report on this.

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Do not remember anyone has mentioned explicitly about the heat. How hot the 809 runs compared to the older models (805-808)
Hello got my unit last night. I owned a 876 previously that died from the hdmi board issue.

HEAT...well the 809 is I'd say 3 to 4 times COOLER than the past receivers. I can't believe how cool it is in fact after having an 876. I won't be needing extra fans or coolers for the new 809 unit. I'm actually amazed at how cool it is.

One thing I'm NOT happy about, NO direct DSD like the 876 had.

I just wanted to jump in here and give update , HEAT is no longer an issue with at least the 809 units. I would call the 809 Warm at best. When the old models would damn near burn your hand placing it on top the unit.

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[quote=AseeNJ;20714634]Hello all, I have a problem that I hope someone may have an idea about.

Then I came across a great deal on a set of Totem Dreamcatcher 5.1 surround speakers at a local store that was closing and the this sounded like a great way to save space in the room. I swapped the Klipsch speakers out and the Totems in. The problem started - when certain loud music or movie audio would play, the receiver would turn itself off and flash one of the lights on the display. It wasn't hot so it didn't seem to be overheating, and it started with the new Totem speakers, so I did some research and my conclusion was that the 4 Ohm Totems may not be fully compatible with my older receiver. So I started my hunt for a new receiver and purchased an Onkyo NR809.

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The Dreamcatcher 5.1 system is very nice sounding, if a bit bright. Probably a decent match with the 809's intrinsic sound. Have you tried setting the crossover point higher? The low end on the small Totems dip below 2 ohms dynamically. Nominal impedance is rated 4 ohms, but the curve is all over the place when you look by frequency within the operating range of the receiver. Try 150 and 200hz.
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Did you run Audyssey calibration with it turned off? (It does make a difference in my system, but you have to re-calibrate after every change)
I believe it is off by default. So it would have been off when I ran it.



I'll look into that. I didn't know you could use polyfill on a ported sub. I've used it on my sealed enclosures in my car subs in the past. But remember, sub works perfectly when calibrated by my Pioneer Elite VSX-23.[/quote]

** I'm out of ideas on this one. Generally, fiberfilling a speaker enclosure will throw its response curve out of whack.
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Thanks, hdtv

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Hello got my unit last night. I owned a 876 previously that died from the hdmi board issue.

HEAT...well the 809 is I'd say 3 to 4 times COOLER than the past receivers. I can't believe how cool it is in fact after having an 876. I won't be needing extra fans or coolers for the new 809 unit. I'm actually amazed at how cool it is.

One thing I'm NOT happy about, NO direct DSD like the 876 had.

I just wanted to jump in here and give update , HEAT is no longer an issue with at least the 809 units. I would call the 809 Warm at best. When the old models would damn near burn your hand placing it on top the unit.
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Hello got my unit last night. I owned a 876 previously that died from the hdmi board issue.

HEAT...well the 809 is I'd say 3 to 4 times COOLER than the past receivers. I can't believe how cool it is in fact after having an 876. I won't be needing extra fans or coolers for the new 809 unit. I'm actually amazed at how cool it is.

One thing I'm NOT happy about, NO direct DSD like the 876 had.

I just wanted to jump in here and give update , HEAT is no longer an issue with at least the 809 units. I would call the 809 Warm at best. When the old models would damn near burn your hand placing it on top the unit.
Oh boy, I just got through placing an order with the Amazon deal, before I saw your post. While I am very happy that it runs cooler than earlier Onkyos, I am concerned about your statement that it does not have direct DSD, which is important to me. As a matter of fact, I reviewed the owner manual prior to purchasing, and it indicates that it does do DSD over HDMI. So, I would like to get to the bottom of this.

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HEAT...well the 809 is I'd say 3 to 4 times COOLER than the past receivers. I can't believe how cool it is in fact after having an 876. I won't be needing extra fans or coolers for the new 809 unit. I'm actually amazed at how cool it is.
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I just wanted to jump in here and give update , HEAT is no longer an issue with at least the 809 units. I would call the 809 Warm at best. When the old models would damn near burn your hand placing it on top the unit.
Hi hdtv00, you may already know this but the 809 has internal fans and you can check the temp reading from the front display panel.
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Yes it was important to me too Mtrot. I does do DSD over HDMI but it does NOT do Direct DSD like my 876 did. Direct DSD and plain DSD are two different things. Purist preferring Direct DSD.

Yea I know it has fans, the 876 has fans too, didn't do it any good in cooling it. So it seems this unit is running 39/40c range where people's 876's were after they added fans themselves to cool it.

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Yes it was important to me too Mtrot. I does do DSD over HDMI but it does NOT do Direct DSD like my 876 did. Direct DSD and plain DSD are two different things. Purist preferring Direct DSD.

I see. Well, my Yamaha which this will replace does DSD over HDMI, but I am not sure it does true DSD direct, so I may not be giving anything up in that regard.

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Yea you'll still be able to play your SACD's. I can't get Spotify to work with the receiver though, maybe the free US accounts aren't working they considering it mobile or something. Kinda stupid.

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I just ordered an nr-809 - can anyone suggest the optimal way to set up an RF remote to use with this receiver? I have an older TX-nr901 that worked with the Onkyo RF-EX6 RF Receiver but that was an RF remote. The need is to be able to operate Zone 2 from outside.
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Hello got my unit last night. I owned a 876 previously that died from the hdmi board issue.

HEAT...well the 809 is I'd say 3 to 4 times COOLER than the past receivers. I can't believe how cool it is in fact after having an 876. I won't be needing extra fans or coolers for the new 809 unit. I'm actually amazed at how cool it is.

One thing I'm NOT happy about, NO direct DSD like the 876 had.

I just wanted to jump in here and give update , HEAT is no longer an issue with at least the 809 units. I would call the 809 Warm at best. When the old models would damn near burn your hand placing it on top the unit.

Hopefully your love/hate with Onkyo leans more towards the love side with the 809. You've definitely been vocal lately in some threads, but I'm feeling better about ordering the 809 after seeing your post. Altruistically, I'm hoping that you're very happy with it. On the more self centered side, I'm hoping that it's a great receiver and I'm happy with mine. Whenever it ships, that is. Amazon can take their sweet assed time shipping things with super saver shipping
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Yea I been vocal because it had just died, literally days ago. So the wound was still sore. Clearly I'm stupid enough haha or least willing to give them one last chance at the price point for an 809.

One thing for sure heat issue SOLVED. I just wonder how much actual power was lost. Those at "half power" ratings make me a little suspicious. But anyone freaked over past issues with heat, this thing idle runs 15-20c cooler depending on where you place it. I have it top shelf of entertainment stand open on all sides and above its 39c. And NEVER really warmed up after I watched Star Trek at 68db so, safe to say. Heat issue , gone.

It sounds really good to me, much same as the 876 far as I can tell. So far so good, well cept for the no direct dsd that does bum me out. But plain dsd did sound ok.

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Nice. Amazon just shipped mine
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I have:

Polk monitor 70 fronts, polk CS2 center and Polk monitor 60 rears and a Epik empire subwoofer. (5.1). Would you guys reccomend I get this 809 to run my setup or wait for the onkyo 5009 to come out? or wait for the 5008 to drop in price? I just want to make sure I get enough power driving all my speakers. Thoughts? Should I jump on the 809 for $699 or wait for the 3008/5008 to drop in price? What would you do if you were in my shoes?

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Any reason other than power that you'd want the 3008/9 or the 5008/9 over the 809? Gonna guess the 809 will have enough juice to handle your polks, but you can always add a power amp (xpa-3) to drive the front 3. So 809 + xpa-3 is going to be around the going rate for the 3008.
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Hey,
I just purchased the Klipsch RF-82's yesterday. Should I get this Onkyo receiver? Seems like a good price. Is it too much power?
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joeyvaz, I ordered an 809 today and have a a2-300 sub. I'll be sure to test if Cloverfield or War of the Worlds bottoms it out. I'm fairly confident both of those bottomed out when the giant "monsters" stomped with my (failing) 606 and audssey 2eq setup.

Edit: Also I can record idle on/standby/hdmi-cec standby power consumption to the half watt.
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Got mine today. I am getting ready to pull the Pioneer Elite out of the rack as soon as I am done with this post. I also see why the one guy posted about B meaning black and not B-stock. I saw that sticker and looked around the corner and saw black/noir.

Final note, man can FedEx jack up a box. My projection screen came with a huge hole in the box last week and today it looks like a forklift tine ran into the side of the 809 box. Cosmetically it is fine but c'mon man. Thankfully it was well packaged by Onkyo but I have to get it hooked up quickly and make sure all is well. I have ordered a ton of stuff from egg and UPS always delivers a good looking box. My two bigger Amazon boxes arrived abused. We will see. Oh, and my unit appears to be brand new retail with hard copy manual, all the stuff and even a French/Spanish owner's manual. Now to get down to business. Later.
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Any reason other than power that you'd want the 3008/9 or the 5008/9 over the 809? Gonna guess the 809 will have enough juice to handle your polks, but you can always add a power amp (xpa-3) to drive the front 3. So 809 + xpa-3 is going to be around the going rate for the 3008.

BTL, baby, BTL, thats what 300x 500x is all about, real in your face power, no other AVR got this baby, BTL.
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never mind!

Haha, I was about to respond. Yeah It was the VSX-23. A very good unit but uuhmmm, not doing it all for me. Anyway, the 23 is out and the 809 is in. Now for the cabling. Taking a beverage break ya know.
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Haha, I was about to respond. Yeah It was the VSX-23. A very good unit but uuhmmm, not doing it all for me. Anyway, the 23 is out and the 809 is in. Now for the cabling. Taking a beverage break ya know.

LOL, sorry about the edit. I thought I was completely off the mark on your old avr. I am debating between the Onkyo 809 and Pio vsx-52 (53). Appreciate if you can give some general impressions.
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