I think I'm going to go with the TX-NR809, after doing all the reading up I could on the DTR-50.3 and I still can't see why I should really take it over the Onkyo. Especially because I was mostly looking at the DTR-50.3 because I needed some good power to run some large front and center 4ohm speakers, and the Onkyo has the same power ratings. Where I live it would cost me $545 more to get the DTR-50.3. Think I had posted before, I wouldn't have a problem paying the extra money if there was a good reason why or if it had a performance advantage. But at this point I can't find one, so Onkyo it is I guess.