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I need help with selecting my next long term receiver which will replace my 11 year old Yamaha HTR-5560. I just purchased a house that has prewired speakers throughout the house, 6 zones (pairs) in all. I need a receiver that can be great for home theater in the family room and can do the job with the zones.

To throw one candidate out, Yamaha RX-V867, it is on sale on Newegg for 480.

Please help as I need to make my decision really soon as my left main is starting to go, sometimes it works and sometimes not.
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There is also Onkyo TX-NR809 which is on sale on OneCall for 700. Dose not have built in wireless, only ready for. Similar in specs to Yamaha RX-A2000.
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Pioneer elite SC-35, available at Amazon for 879. You will be happy!

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What about something else from Yamaha and something from Denon?
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Also, for the six zones I have already purchased Sima SSW-L6EX Stereo Speaker Selector, with two amp input and independent volume control.
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Also, for the six zones I have already purchased Sima SSW-L6EX Stereo Speaker Selector, with two amp input and independent volume control.

I will make the suggestion that you look into Sonos for your rooms. I've purchased a lot of audio electronics and Sonos is simply awesome.

JTR Noesis 212HT x 3 (LCR) powered by Lab Gruppen 10000Q amp
CHT SHO-10 x 4 (sides and rear) powered by Denon 4311
JTR S2 x 2
CHT 18.1 x2
Oppo BDP103D bluray player/Sonos/PS3
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Well, before we can really help...

Are you planning on doing 7.1 and a 2nd zone?
Or 5.1 and a 2nd zone?

If 7.1, here you go...the only one...your price range...and it is 3 years old...
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR100...1529302&sr=1-3 (you can still find them NIB or as a refurb)
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Also, for the six zones I have already purchased Sima SSW-L6EX Stereo Speaker Selector, with two amp input and independent volume control.

To run (6) zones I would recommend an external amplifier, trying to run (6) zones with an AVR's back channel amplifiers is a big load. A possible external amplifier could be a SpeakerCraft BB50-S2 (50W x 2) or BB275 (75W x 2), these amplifiers are well built and capable of handling the multiple, challenging loads of your speaker switcher...
Also the AVR will run cooler and be more reliable in the long run.

Just my $0.02..
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I guess I could use my old amp for the power to my 6 zone speaker switch. Can that amp be plugged in to my new amp for the audio source?

So if the zone control is not as big of an issue, what are some other amps would you recommend in that price rang, 7.1 or 7.2 will do.
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Pre-out on a receiver can go to the input of anything.

So, yes...your new receiver can send audio to whatever the next receiver is.

I do that in my own home. My living room theater is an Integra DHC 80.2. Its zone 2 pre-out goes into AUX 1 of a DTR 8.8 (which in turn, using its Zone 2, feeds the bathroom sound). Zone 3 feeds the kitchen under-cabinet kitchen LCD/DVD player(audio only for the Zone 3 from the DHC 80.2)

The DTR 8.8 doesn't care what the "other end" of the RCA cable is.

The Integra DHC 80.2 has a popcorn hour on it. I hooked it up analog as well. I choose "Zone 2", switch it to the input of the Popcorn Hour, Voila the DTR 8.8 has all the "internet content" I want.
http://www.amazon.com/Popcorn-Hour-C...1537894&sr=1-1

The "closet" that all my living room equipment(that you "don't have to touch") is in, the back wall of that closet, is the same wall my bedroom is on. It took to 10 feet of RCA and Component video from the Zone 2(audio and video) to the AUX 1(with a component video attached).
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I guess I could use my old amp for the power to my 6 zone speaker switch. Can that amp be plugged in to my new amp for the audio source?

So if the zone control is not as big of an issue, what are some other amps would you recommend in that price rang, 7.1 or 7.2 will do.

What is the brand/model of your old amp?

Regarding AVR choice, there are several as the category is very competitive. Just make sure that it has Zone II audio out jacks, these will drive your old amp which should be connected to the (6) zone switcher.
Now to the AVR, key questions are:
1. How much power?
2. How many HDMI inputs?
3. How many coaxial or optical inputs?
4. Available budget?

Next hurdle is the brand of AVR?
Without question the most reliable brand is Yamaha, their products have excellent reliability. Denon and Onkyo also enter the field of choice as well, and their features are extensive but I would rank their reliability below Yamaha...

Just my $0.02...
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What is the brand/model of your old amp?

Yamaha HTR-5560, 11 year old.
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Yamaha HTR-5560, 11 year old.

Rated @ 75W/CH should work fine for the slave amplifier..
As long as your loudspeakers are of reasonable quality..

Just my $0.02...
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Rated @ 75W/CH should work fine for the slave amplifier..
As long as your loudspeakers are of reasonable quality..)
Not sure what the built in speakers are that are in the ceiling. Requires taking one down to take a look.
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Any other amps that anyone would recommend? I too like Yamaha.
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Is there really no suggestions? I would imagine there only of handful of receivers that are under the target price and most can agree are the once to chose from. Please, help me out pick my next receiver.
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Is there really no suggestions? I would imagine there only of handful of receivers that are under the target price and most can agree are the once to chose from. Please, help me out pick my next receiver.

My suggestion is that 1st you review the product lineups of the major brands Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer & Harman/Kardon that fall within your budget guidelines.
Next rank the features & specs which are most important, above I made that request in a previous post but never saw any confirmation. Next list the brand/models in order of preference. Then each can make their comments pro and con..

There are some great experienced and knowledgible individuals on-line here @ AVS but you need to narrow down the search...

Just my $0.02..
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Pretty much all the manufacturers have at least 3 receivers each that do multi-zone under $1000. If you count last years models...you have up to 10 from each manufacturer...

So, what else do you need?

Networking?
HDMI up conversion(there are multi-zone without this...but not many)?
Front 3.5mm jack(for phones/ipods)?
Turntable?
Need pre-outs?
What speakers(towers and bookshelves? All 5 going to match?)?

What sources do you plan to use in the "other" zones?
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Pretty much all the manufacturers have at least 3 receivers each that do multi-zone under $1000. If you count last years models...you have up to 10 from each manufacturer...

So, what else do you need?

Networking?
HDMI up conversion(there are multi-zone without this...but not many)?
Front 3.5mm jack(for phones/ipods)?
Turntable?
Need pre-outs?
What speakers(towers and bookshelves? All 5 going to match?)?

What sources do you plan to use in the "other" zones?

I agree with you that there are a few from each company, but last time I purchased one was 11 years ago, so not in the loop as to what is a good product and a good value for the money.

I would like to stay with Yamaha, Pioneer or Denon. I am partial to Yamaha as it served me well for the last 11 years.

I would like Network (wireless be nice), HDMI (In: 4min, Out: 2) not sure on up-convert, front 3.5 not a deal breaker, pre-out would be great, I currently have two Yamaha tower speakers NS-A200XT that are 110A (normal) 6 ohms that I will be reusing.
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Next list the brand/models in order of preference. Then each can make their comments pro and con..

There are some great experienced and knowledgible individuals on-line here @ AVS but you need to narrow down the search...

Just my $0.02..

So far seems a couple that I found and interested in are:
Pioneer Elite SC-35 that can be had for around 900.
Yamaha Advantage RX-A2000/1000 (A2000 I have not seen for under 1,300)
Yamaha RX-V867 can be had for around 500.
Onkyo TX-NR809 (not my top choice)
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So far seems a couple that I found and interested in are:
Pioneer Elite SC-35 that can be had for around 900.
Yamaha Advantage RX-A2000/1000 (A2000 I have not seen for under 1,300)
Yamaha RX-V867 can be had for around 500.
Onkyo TX-NR809 (not my top choice)

Get the 867, you'll be happy with it. Sounds great, 95wpc X7, fantastic networking features(Internet radio, Pandora, PC etc), 7.1 with zone 2, pre amp outs if you ever decide you need more power, and you can probably find it for <$450 if you look for a sale (Newegg)
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Get the 867, you'll be happy with it. Sounds great, 95wpc X7, fantastic networking features(Internet radio, Pandora, PC etc), 7.1 with zone 2, pre amp outs if you ever decide you need more power, and you can probably find it for <$450 if you look for a sale (Newegg)

I agree that this is a great deal, I am worried that 95wpc might not be enough long term. My two tower speakers that I have now are 110w/each alone.
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Speakers "don't have watts".

They have an ohm load and efficiency.

Ohm load is the resistance to the amp. The lower the Ohm load(8 is middle ground) the more power the amp can create. 4Ohm compared to 8ohm is like rolling downhill. If the amp creates more power than it is "designed to produce", it goes into protection mode. Anything less than 4Ohm is bad for pretty much any receiver.

Efficiency is what your speakers do volume wise with the power they are given.

So, a wattage rating on a speaker is a useless piece of information. All you care about is efficiency and ohm load. To a lesser extent you also care about frequency response, but you can apply an EQ to frequency response.

You are also(with ANY of these receivers you are picking) very unlikely to get more than 65wpc when driving 5 channels. So your speakers "being 110 watts" is an even more useless specification. If the power is clean enough, you could probably drive those up to 125-150 and the speaker would survive it.

What do all these...
http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-D...1783299&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-M-282-2-...1783323&sr=1-1
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ono-amps-brand
have in common?

They will drive these...
http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Klipsc...1783431&sr=1-1
Safely, you just buy the amp above that will achieve the volume you wish. All three of those amps will also destroy those Klipsch if you drive the amp into clipping. Which, even that McIntosh can be driven into clipping.
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I agree that this is a great deal, I am worried that 95wpc might not be enough long term. My two tower speakers that I have now are 110w/each alone.

In addition to what Schan said which is dead on, the 867 can support bi-amp'ing the fronts. Which means you take the back surround channel outputs and wire them to your second inputs on the front mains. This effectively divides the mains into subs and mids/tweeters each driven by their own separate amp (sometimes called bi-wiring). Its not quite the same as a true pre-amp/power amp setup, but it delivers more overall power more cleanly to larger front mains than a single channel powering them. If your mains cost under $1000, chances are real good that the 867 will power them just fine up to ear splitting volume. If your front mains don't have bi-amp inputs, then the 867 will be may more than enough.
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