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We have a Denon AVR-4308 CI which is not working and is still under the extended warranty we purchased. The place we purchased it from said it could not be repaired but they would replace with a similar model. They suggested the AVR-4311 CI, which is currently less expensive than what we paid. I am trying to figure out if this model is equal to the one we bought. One thing I noticed by quickly reading through the specifications is the 4311 does not mention Wireless LAN. Can anyone offer any information or suggestions?
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The replacement for the 4308 is the 4810, however, the 4311CI uses the newest version of Audyssey MultEQ XT 32 which is much more advanced than the XT version in your 4308. The 4311CI not wireless though and would require an external wireless bridge if wireless is a requirement.

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So we should ask for the 4810, right? That is what I was guessing from the Denon website. My older boys who helped me choose our equipment are living in other states now and my younger boys are not old enough to help yet but said the wireless LAN is important for game systems.

When you say the 4810 is the replacement, I am wondering how I explain that to the store.
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The Audyssey version in the 4311 is much better and it seems to be the Denon of choice at this time. As jd says there is no wi-fi, but IMO get your own router and go for the 4311. Its bugfree and has options you may like better than the 4810. XT32 being the real kicker.
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Have them call Denon to confirm it's the replacement. Note however, that the wireless benefit of the 4308 or 4810 can be easily replicated with a wireless bridge, not to mention gaming systems are generally wireless themselves ... PS3, xBox, Wii. Also, getting a 4311 brings you 3D if that is a requirement as well as an upgrade in audio fidelity due to the upgrade to Audyssey MultEQ XT 32. Unless there is some specific requirement the 4810 offers (other than wireless), the 4311CI would be your better option.

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As a negotiation point, they are offering an item (4311) that is missing a feature that you find valuable in your current AVR (wireless). Ask for the 4311 PLUS the hardware to provide a wireless solution PLUS maybe $100 to pay someone to set up the wireless solution. This will make you "whole" in the insurance sense. Also point out the the additional hardware is a concession on your part due to space requirements/aesthetics/etc whether it is or not. Look at the situation from their perspective, they admitted liability and want to settle this as cheaply as possible, including their ongoing labor costs to administer the claim. If the 4810 is the current replacement for your AVR according to Denon, what's it worth relative to the 4311, at wholesale pricing? If it's $500, then I'd up the $100 install labor noted above to $200 which when added to the hardware solution for wireless, say another $100, totals $300 and is $200 less than the $500 less than the wholesale marginal cost difference between the 4311 and 4810. WIN WIN. I might even ask for the Airplay upgrade for free, and be willing to give it up as a concession point. Remember, your opening position can only go down, never up. If it's reasonable they won't feel insulted, and you have concession points that won't hurt you and from their perspective will make them feel good I'd they get you to give up something from your initial starting point.
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To make it easier for you and the insurance company ... the 4308CI is still available new as noted here on Amazon. Simply get them to replace it with another 4308CI.

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^^^^ that $1299 retail price is probably close to the wholesale price of the 4311, so my negotiation points above may have no value. Might still be worth a shot though, depending on IF the OP might prefer a 4311 for some reason. If 6th ave and his current dealer are both authorized dealers, I'm guessing he will get a new warranty. If one isn't authorized, that may sway the decision. It would for me.
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Personally I'd go with the 4311 in a heart beat .. although 6Ave is indeed an authorized reseller if the OP prefers a straight out replacement of the 4308.

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Ok, it looks like the 4311 is more popular here. Can you tell me why the 4810 is so much more expensive?
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Better components ... wi fi .... assignable amps ...more legacy inputs .... and it's older so components cost more .. however, unless you don't use Audyssey .. the newer version in the 4311CI will makes up the difference and then some.

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Ok, it looks like the 4311 is more popular here. Can you tell me why the 4810 is so much more expensive?
The reason the 4810 is so much more expensive is that it has enough amplifiers built into it that you can run left, center, right, surround, surround back, front height and front width speakers all from the same receiver without external amps. It's built on the same chassis as a AVR4311.

The replacement for a AVR4308 is a AVR4311, wi-fi or not. The Wi Fi was dropped from the 43xx series of AVRs because it caused too many problems as far as firmware updates were concerned.

Do not complain about what you paid for a 4 year old receiver versus a new current model. The consumer electronics industry is the only one where each new model year you get more features and it costs less money. What you have now is a broken 4308 and you're going to get a new 4311. That's a win.

I don't think Denon has any more 4810s anyway.
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seriously... take the 4311 and run with it. You're receiving a brand spanking new receiver after using another for 4 years. They are substantially equivalent and i'd even think the 4311 is better at this point.

call your kids if you are unsure.
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...and my younger boys are not old enough to help yet but said the wireless LAN is important for game systems.

Unfortunately, your younger boys know not what they are talking about. Their game systems may use a wireless LAN to connect to the Internet. But that has no relation whatsoever to the AVR.

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+1

I implied the same, but may not have said it so directly. The OP really needs to confirm a wireless requirement.

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Hello,
While I love XT32. if you can get an AVR-4810, I would seriously consider it. It does have more power, but is only HDMI 1.3 in the event that 3D is of importance to you.

The 4810 does have a more powerful Amplifier Stage as it should considering it costs 1000 Dollars more than the 4311. Also, it provides more functionality should you be using multiple Zones.

Don't get me wrong, being offered the 4311 is still an excellent thing. It is just if you can get a 4810, it is certainly worth considering.
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I checked with one of my older sons and you are correct, the younger boys don't know what they are talking about. Ten year olds are not that reliable.

We are being offered the 4311 because we paid for an extra warranty on the 4308, and they don't have one to replace it with. I am not complaining, I just need to make a decision about something I know very little about. I really appreciate all of you taking the time to help me work through all of this.
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As suggested, take the 4311CI as it will actually be an improvement in not only audio fidelity, but also offers 9 channels instead of only 7 with the 4308. Your other option, if you simply want to replace the 4308 is to guide them to 6Ave which still has a new 4308 in stock.

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As a Hail Mary(should note I own the 4810, and I do NOT think Audyssey, nor any other "auto correct" is the answer to all questions audio...)...

I say go for the 4810, even if you have to pay 1/3rd to 1/2 the price difference of the 4311. If you dangle that kind of bait out there, they might take it.

Differences between the 4311 and 4810.

4810 is "better" in every single way. Granted it isn't 3D. Nor does it have the "latest greatest" Audyssey.

4311 has 3D, Audyssey and digital 2nd zone capability.
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Differences between the 4311 and 4810.

4810 is "better" in every single way. Granted it isn't 3D. Nor does it have the "latest greatest" Audyssey.

So how is it better in every single way?

The warranty company isn't going to spring for the more expensive receiver just because the broken one the OP has now is $500 less new than the AVR4308 was 4 years ago.

Take the 4311, plug it in, enjoy it and get on with your life. Looks like the extended warranty paid off this time.
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As a Hail Mary(should note I own the 4810, and I do NOT think Audyssey, nor any other "auto correct" is the answer to all questions audio...)...

Yes . you make that apparent every chance you can, although are likely in the <1% minority who don't use Audyssey when they buy an AVR that features Audyssey. Who does that? Not many ... that's for sure. Jeez.

OP - stick with the majority and go with the 4311CI.

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Well, when Audyssey(nor YPAO) would work with OHM Walsh 5/3 or DCM TimeFrame 600/350...

It is worth mentioning that "auto room" correct is not always the "end all" of HT.

How many threads are there that say something to the effect of...

"I just bought some Def Tech speakers and have run Audyssey/YPAO/MCACC/EZSet/ARC and it won't work because (insert various reason)"
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Again .. you are in the minority ... as well as the Def Tech owners that complain.

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Could also be that I've never owned "crap" speakers either. Last night I turned on Audyssey(cause I did run it) in the living room. We started watching http://www.amazon.com/Number-Three-D...1978389&sr=1-3 and my wife goes...

"You turned on the Audyssey, didn't you? Turn it off."

Waterfall Audio are the speakers.

By the way, my wife even thinks less of auto room correct than I do. She likens it to Auto-tune.
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Too funny ... dude ... you really need to consider your audience here in the various threads in which you cut down Audyssey. And if I was your wife, I'd be saying the same thing knowing how much you put down Audyssey.

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It isn't just Audyssey. It is YPAO/MCACC/DRC/EZSet/ARC(Anthem Room Correction)...all of them.

The rules to good audio...

1. Fix the room.
2. Buy speakers that can handle the room.
3. Buy enough power to reach the desired volume.
4. Tweak.

Like another poster has in their sig...(paraphrase)

Don't blame the lack of handling on an icy road on the 911.

If you don't buy the speaker capable of what you want, don't expect auto room correct to create miracles.
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what receiver did you ever get?
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