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post #631 of 4004 Old 09-23-2011, 01:49 PM
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^^^

yup, as noted earlier... but what do we know?

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I can say with somewhat high certainty that it was on the vsx-94txh.

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Warren...a little long in the tooth but here's another review of the SC series when they were first released....

http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...05-av-receiver

That review done by David Vaughn is the opposite of what Gene posted in the AH review.

At the time, some of us questioned how Gene ended up with such different results than UltimateAV.com (now, Hometheater.com). I think the general consensus at the time was AH really didn't know how to correctly test the ICEamps. Digital switching amps are a different animal. At one point I had a white paper explaining what B&O did (and how Pioneer adapted the technology). It's long gone, though.

I know I respect FilmMixer's experience (both as a professional and as a HT hobbyist). He's certainly had most of the "latest and greatest" in his studio over the last few years. He says the new D3 digital switching amps are even better than the ones Pioneer licensed from B&O. I'll take his word for it.

All that said, listen to what YOU like, not what someone else recommends. As nice as my own 59TXi was, I wouldn't want it back, certainly not where the audio-video world has taken us in the last few years.

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as are promised, here are some pictures of the hdmi-cec controlled audio.

Yes, it is glitchy, and, yes, it is slow; however, it is there, and i would never lie to you guys about that fact.

bravo! Appreciated!

Pioneer -

please give us hdmi graphic overlay via firmware update.
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@gg... yea i remember that white paper too... i thought we had a link to it in the sc-05/07 "master post", but it's not there... gotta be buried somewhere in that thread though...

speaking of that thread... i miss charles... a lot...

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Pioneer -

please give us hdmi graphic overlay via firmware update.

That's not going.to happen.
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Very interested to see. Also in the end I opted for something different.

I have tried Yamaha, I currently have Onkyo.

These Pioneer SC-57s have good reviews so far, and Pioneer has more robust Ipad support and features.

It was such a tough decision though and I STILL wonder if I made the right choice to go with an SC-57 over an RX-A3010.

At least I will have the experience of a new product and really the AirPlay and Ipad app is what sold me.

The Yamaha Ipad/Iphone App is inferior IMHO. I upgrade Projectors so much more than I do receivers, so it is not like I get to own as many brands of HT receivers as I do projectors - an upgrade is more rare (every 2-3 years) instead of every year.

*crosses fingers*

I owned the A3000... IMO, you easily made the right choice.
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I owned the A3000... IMO, you easily made the right choice.

This is good to hear.

Looking forward to start experimenting with this gear. Curious if it can go loud without clipping/distortion.

Will post thoughts next week.
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Here's an review conclusion from a german magazine called Audiovision, translated with google:

Pioneer's new 3D-receiver flagship SC-LX85 pampers discerning music listener with the best sound, has enormous power reserves and scores with extensive features."

conclusion
is "The SC-LX85 Pioneer a huge success. He scores with a lot of power, excellent best sound and features - with 94 points and leads to our receiver rankings. ".

Nice one.
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I've downloaded the complete review. Some power ratings:

7.1 channel 122 watt (6 ohm 1kHz sinus)
5.1 channel 143 watt (6 ohm 1kHz sinus)
Stereo 235 watt (4 ohm 1kHz sinus)

These are per channel figures.

If i read it correctly, it has a thd figure of 0,068% at 1kHz. I can't read German very well.

Some of you guys can start doing the maths now...
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I've downloaded the complete review. Some power ratings:

7.1 channel 122 watt (6 ohm 1kHz sinus)
5.1 channel 143 watt (6 ohm 1kHz sinus)
Stereo 235 watt (4 ohm 1kHz sinus)

These are per channel figures.

If i read it correctly, it has a thd figure of 0,068% at 1kHz. I can't read German very well.

Some of you guys can start doing the maths now...

Link Please.
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I found a review of the LX 85 (SC55 in US..)

Some good photos also..

http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2011/..._sc_lx75.shtml

A couple of translated highlights:

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Overall, we, the SC-LX75 excited acoustically throughout: With standard-setting level of strength that is currently unmatched by any other competitor in the league until 2000 EUR, newly added excellent fine dynamics, tonal neutrality, outstanding course dynamics ind a prime space, both in terms of spatial distance , as well as the spatial depth is concerned. In short, Pioneer has done it, good things even better, the SC-LX75 is presented as a small acoustic masterpiece.

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Has improved the performance of the Videprozessors. Especially with the up-conversion of film material significant progress can be identified which ensure that the SC-LX75 can now catch up with the best in class. Sonically the Pioneer excels with enormous power handling, great coarse and fine dynamics, space and subtle tonal neutrality.

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+ Sets class standards level stability
+ Outstanding space
+ Convincing coarse and fine dynamics
+ Dts Neo: X on board
+ AV Navigator
+ Excellent upconversion video footage
+ Solid construction and elegant appearance
+ AirPlay integrated


- Non-streaming of video and photo files

It seems as if their only nit pick was that the unit doesn't stream video or photos...

As I read through the hard to read translation, it seems to confirm my subjective findings..

It is a fantastic receiver, and a step up in audio quality from the past SC line up.
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Wonder if the same video chip is in all 4 models SC-35 & 37 and the SC-55 & 57 and is the same as the German Models SC-LX83 (or U.S. SC-37) or the LX-75 or U.S. SC-55.

And was the same video chip used in the older SC-27? Just wondering.

Translated link, FWIW,

http://translate.google.com/translat....shtml&act=url

The Photog. is excellent.

Also, I did some math, but I don't think people are going to want to see it, it might be upsetting to some, so I'll wait for someone else to post it.

The German SC-LX83 or U.S. SC-37 review was also excellent.

http://translate.google.com/translat...%26prmd%3Divns

All these Pioneer models are excellent AVR's, for what's on the market now, I wouldn't buy anything else, unless I won a lottery and went separates.
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Oh my, I have made the right decision in buying a Pioneer SC-57.

So excited I can't stand it.

Thank you all SO MUCH for sharing that information!!

A TRUE FLAGSHIP piece of equipment, nothing in the price range even comes CLOSE!
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here's the link, but i don't know if it will work. I had to pay 3 euro's to get and share the info . But it was worth it.

http://audiovision.de/premiumdownloa...y=__currency__
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I've downloaded the complete review. Some power ratings:

7.1 channel 122 watt (6 ohm 1kHz sinus)
5.1 channel 143 watt (6 ohm 1kHz sinus)
Stereo 235 watt (4 ohm 1kHz sinus)

i thought it would be interesting to see the ratings they measured on the LX83 (your SC37).

7.1 channel 119 watt (6 Ohm 1 kHz sinus)
5.1 channel 141 watt (6 Ohm 1 kHz sinus)
Stereo 246 watt (4 Ohm 1kHz sinus)

And we all know how powerfull that was.

They probally use a different powerrating measurement tool than HT mag, but this tells me if you are worried about power, don't be.

You don't have to pay to read the LX83 review:

http://audiovision.de/Test-Archiv/Te...0-Euro/Seite-2
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Wonder if the same video chip is in all 4 models SC-35 & 37 and the SC-55 & 57 and is the same as the German Models SC-LX83 (or U.S. SC-37) or the LX-75 or U.S. SC-55.

And was the same video chip used in the older SC-27? Just wondering.

In last years european models (lx73 and 83) they used pioneers own Trucinemascaler instead of a lincensed one (Marvell Qdeo or ABT?) in the SC35 and 37.
This years models all use the same chip.

That's why the Areadvd review on the LX75 mentioned the improved video capability's. I guess the difference won't be as big on the US models.
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I turned HDMI-CEC back on and no dice. The receiver does power down my tv so I know data is being passed just fine. No volume OSD present.
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I turned HDMI-CEC back on and no dice. The receiver does power down my tv so I know data is being passed just fine. No volume OSD present.

On my Pio LX5090 i needed to switch to AV sound on the HDMI control setting. I got the display bar. I don't like this sort of stuff on my screen when watching and it is slow, so i turned it of again. Just save up for the RF remote. No need for an overlayed volume bar or other settings on the display, when you can reed them right of the remote.
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I remember it being mentioned early on, but one of the things the German review reminded me of is the adjustable DAC parameters...

"DFILTER: Switches the AUDIO DAC (Digital Audio Converter) digital filter type. One of three settings can be selected: SLOW (soft and warm), SHARP (solid and tight) and SHORT (quick and forward)."

SLOW is the default... I will have to experiment with the other settings... fun, fun, fun.
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I could never find a price or a source for the RF remote? Also, is there a potential firmware to allow for multiple crossovers vs global?
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I could never find a price or a source for the RF remote? Also, is there a potential firmware to allow for multiple crossovers vs global?

You can buy the RF package directly from Pioneer.. IIRC, it is around $400.

As to you second question, I wouldn't expect it (if they wanted to put it in, I suspect it would've been there from the start.)
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@gpmbc

1) i would imagine a pio dealer could get you one... the part number is cu-rf100-u... i can't imagine that it's inexpensive...

2) highly unlikely...

edit: filmmixer beat me to it...

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Thx guys that is pricey! Is there osd thru hdmi?
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Thx guys that is pricey! Is there osd thru hdmi?

No.
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potential firmware to allow for multiple crossovers vs global?

Probably never going to happen, at least in the near term.

Pioneer has used global low pass filter (crossover) since the beginning of MCACC years ago.
And David Bales, product manager home audio, has publicly stated in an online interview that Pioneer's philosophy on room EQ is for only 1 listening sweet spot. So I wouldn't expect them to go for a audyssey-type EQ approach either.

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After 22 pages, I still have a couple of questions if anyone could help.

I am building an addition and plan to put new speakers in a great room, kitchen and outdoors, for a total of three zones.

Ideally I'd like to create a 7.1 or 7.2 setup in the great room, plus connect two in-wall speakers in the kitchen and two outdoors speakers on the deck. But it seems like I cannot use a 7.1 setup if I connect speakers in two other zones. True?

The way i would use the AVR, all three zones would never play at the same time. If I were watching a movie in the great room with a 7.1 setup, neither zone 2 or three would be in use.

If I am limited to a 5.1 setup because I've connected two other zones, can I hook up up a 2-channel amp to the Pioneer to power zone three, thereby allowing me to use 7.1 in my great room?

Could I use the Pioneer remote to control zone 3 in that situation?

Do any topline AVRs allow what I want? I cant seem to find any. Pioneer appears to come closest.

Also, if there any way to use an Android mobile phone app to control some of the music services on the AVR, such as Rhapsody? My phone has wifi but obviously not infrared.
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i thought it would be interesting to see the ratings they measured on the LX83 (your SC37).

7.1 channel 119 watt (6 Ohm 1 kHz sinus)
5.1 channel 141 watt (6 Ohm 1 kHz sinus)
Stereo 246 watt (4 Ohm 1kHz sinus)

And we all know how powerfull that was.

They probally use a different powerrating measurement tool than HT mag, but this tells me if you are worried about power, don't be.

You don't have to pay to read the LX83 review:

http://audiovision.de/Test-Archiv/Te...0-Euro/Seite-2

Here's a U.S. bench test for the SC-37.

Pioneer Elite SC-37 A/V Receiver HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 135.7 watts
1% distortion at 171.9 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 125.4 watts
1% distortion at 164.7 watts

Given that these results are @ 8 Ohms, I would think the 6 Ohm ratings from above should be higher.
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As are promised, here are some pictures of the HDMI-CEC controlled audio.

Thanks for sharing. :-) So, either my Samsung LN46B650's "Anynet+" HDMI-CEC feature is a subset of HDMI-CEC, or Pioneer's HDMI-CEC is a superset of HDMI-CEC with proprietary extensions. Does anyone here have the OSD working with non-Pioneer displays?
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I just received my SC-55, having had an Onkyo NR3008 for the last 5 months, then an Pio VSX-74XVi before that.

I have to say, and contrary to some other posters, but I would rate the iPad app as "amazing." Anyone's opinion on this has to be relative to other company's apps, so I'm curious which company's iPad app would constitute "amazing" if not Pio. My comparison was Onkyo's, which is a joke of an app. I also used a third-party app Oremote, which was much better--but still not as user friendly, robust, responsive, or as flexible as the Pio.

Frankly, getting rid of the Onkyo 3008 and replacing with the SC-55 is turning out to be a great move. The 3008 is a serious machine with gobs of power, Audyssey XT32, top-shelf video processing, and pretty much every audiophile feature available. But I still like the SC-55 better--Airplay is a game changer IMO (and not exclusive to Pio, I know), I use 3 zones frequently in various combinations (making the iPad essential for whole house control), and the Pio just seems more smooth and reliable compared to the Onkyo (which was glitchy, incessant "clicking," and other issues).

Yes, lack of OSD is inexcusable, which the Onkyo did well. But between the iPad display and my ability to see the SC-55 from my seating position, for me this drawback doesn't outweigh the other significant benefits that Pio has. And the audio sounds great (on par with the Onkyo, which was no slouch).

My two cents.
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