Originally Posted by audio777
PIONEER CUSTOMERS, LET'S MAKE A LITTLE LIST OF ISSUES AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE PIONEER ELITE SC-57,
HERE'S SOME **ROUGH** NOTES AND POSTS
LET'S SEE HOW MANY ISSUES WE CAN FIX OR DISCOVER WORK AROUNDS.
1. USB FIRMWARE UPDATE - DOES NOT WORK, O.K. IN SOME CASES IT HAS
2. DISTORTION AT -10db THRU B & W CM9'S, AT BB
3. 2 BAD SC-57'S IN A ROW, COLTSFREAKhttp://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1352164&page=5http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...352164&page=13
4. POWER RATING IS IN 1kHz, RATINGS AT 1 kHz ARE BAD THEY NEED TO BE DONE IN 20 TO 20,000 Hz, SO THE ABOVE 140 IS MORE LIKE 90 THE STATED 9 CH'S X 90 = 810W total power
5. I have tried too set the Home Media Gallery on Direct Stream or Pure Direct Stream, then
send a DTS CD from my iTunes, my iPad, or even from my Apple TV1. There is an initial less than 1 second white noise that starts off as the SC-57 realizes that the stream is not standard PCM (presume it also recognizes that it is a DTS stream). Then the airplay stream is totally muted and nothing plays through the receiver.
It seems to me that it could be a simple fix on Pioneer's part to allow decoding of DTS encoded CD streams through Airplay since it apparently already recognizes the stream as different and mutes it when the Home Media Gallery is set to Direct Stream or Pure Direct Stream.
6. The zip file is good - you would not be able to unzip the contents without warnings at minimum.
Also I downloaded it three browsers: firefox on Linux (OpenSUSE, 64-bit), firefox on Windows 7 (x64), and MSAHHHHIEEE, er MSIE on windows 7 (x64), and used unarc on Linux and 7zip on windows and all produced the same result. As pointed out by someone else I went way, /way/ beyond any efforts any nontechnical consumers would be capable of- I'd expect that most elite buyers would not know an MBR from a video codec.
As far as the contents are concerned? If the .mem file is corrupt it would indicate poor release engineering and crappy quality assurance methods on Pioneer's part.
You would think that at least one of the release or quality assurance engineers would be running a retail unit at home and would use the same method to upgrade that end users do.
Obviously since the product was released with a fatal defect the folks at pioneer aren't eating their own dog food!
7. Another gripe, Also, I finally sourced a PAL-to-F adapter for the antenna (surprisingly, You-do-It was cheaper than Amazon for once - but the clerk I spoke to never heard of the connector but eventually found it) -- /why/ did pioneer release the receiver to the American market with a connector almost never used in the US? BNC, F, or even screw or spring terminals would make more sense in this market given that practically no one sells antennae, adapters or interconnects with PAL terminators here in the USA!
8. Ok, this is my first Pioneer receiver (always had been onkyo before but due to three receivers, 906, 907, 5007) all with failed HDMI boards, giving up on that.
Ok - I use zone 2+3 line level out, connected to an amp. With every onkyo (and yamaha for that matter), you can control zone 2+3 volume, IE, the line level is variable or fixed.
I hooked up my SC-57 to my amp and it is clipping, too high volume. I tried everything but it appears zone 2+3 is only fixed out, is that correct? If that is the case, I think it is a major short falling to not allow a fixed or variable out for zone2+3...
Anyone using zone 2 and/or 3 with an external amp, but controlling the zone 2+3 volume with SC-57? If so, HOW?????
8.5 A SC-57 CLIPPED AT BB -15db THRU B & W'S , SALE PERSON COULDN''T
FIGURE IT OUT . NOT GOOD
9. Can you adjust the 9 band EQ and listen to music or audio as you do it?
Answer: Nope you can't.
The cool remote on the SC-37 is gone on the new 55/57 models.
10. Your formats out of date Examples:
LPCM- Maximum 48 khz 2 ch 20 bit (in your sc- 57 )
When there are newer Format to "lpcm " 96 khz 8 ch and 24 bit
How can I pay a FOR receiver $ 2,100 with old technology?
Can you fix it with " firmware" ?
AAC – Maximum 48 khz 2 ch 16 bit (in your sc- 57 )
When there are newer Format to " AAC AND HE-AAC " Why not you give us new formats ?
AAC supports up to 96 kHz
aacPlus - Bitrate of 448kbps for 5 channel surround
Can you fix it with " firmware" ?
WAM 9 - Maximum 48 khz 2 ch 16 bit (in your sc- 57 )
When there are newer Format " Windows Media Audio Professional"OR
Windows Media Audio Lossless
support audio resolutions of up to 96 kHz and up to eight discrete channels (7.1 channel surround).
Why should I pay $ 2,100 on a new receiver with older formats
Originally Posted by Walkamo
I understand your complaint. Supporting NTFS is very difficult since our receivers run a unique operating system (Not linux or windows).
FUSE and NTFS-3G are open source and have been ported to several platforms. . . If your OS implements an API even remotely similar to Unix it should be fairly easy to port, or at least code a clean-room reimplementation. The difficult part will be sorting out patent issues with Microsoft. (on that note: damn software patents to hell)
Believe it or not I am now working on next years models. Please feel free to make any requests...
Sure! Before you continue development work on next year's models, how about fixing the firmware upgrade issue we're hitting? I'm hitting it on the SC-55 and others here on the SC-57, and if you scroll back in the thread you will see what I did in my efforts to install the upgrade.
Also, for next year, could you make the flagship's features a little more compelling? I really wanted the SC-57, but the feature set offered so little over the SC-55 that I just could not justify even the small price premium for the 57. Same amps, MCACC flexibility, and so on were so similar in capability that I just couldn't bring myself to spend the extra $200-$300 (real-world price) over the 55. Even keeping the RF remote with the flagship would have tipped the scale for me, but the flagship lost even that.
How about including a USB-programmable RF/IR remote with the receiver, similar in princple to a Harmony, only better, and offer it as an added-cost accessory for the lower-tier elites? I like the Logitech Harmony principle, but the implementation is pretty poor since you only get a subset of the OEM remote functions. Having a fully programmable AVR remote would be a big win. Also, how about a software suite, full web interface, or even an API that can provide crestron-like control (including sending remote codes to other components through the remote ports) over ethernet (rather than just RS-232) from a Mac or PC?
THE SC-57 HAS HUGE POTENTIAL.
A YAMAHA RXV-3900 THAT BENCHES AT 100 WPC, 8 OHMS, FIVE CHANNELS DRIVEN, AT 20 TO 20K KHz, HOLDS IT'S OWN NEXT TO A SC-37.
THESE AVR'S ( 3900, SC-37, SC-57) ARE ALL IN THE SAME LEAGUE. EXCELLENT VIDEO AND AUDIO QUALITY.
THE SC-37 RF REMOTE IS FANTASTIC.
POWER EQUALS CLARITY, USUALLY, AT HIGHER VOLUMES, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY PEOPLE BUY EXTERNAL AMPS.
LISTEN TO A SC-57 AND THEN TO A SC-37, WHAT EVER YOU PERSONALLY LIKE BEST, IS THE WINNER.