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post #301 of 321 Old 04-03-2012, 06:56 AM
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It's also possible your custom setting may be making the picture cooler. The only way to tell for sure would be to bypass the Onkyo entirely and run the HDMI directly to the TV from the source.

Custom with the resolution set to 1080p, custom with the resolution set to through and direct look identical to the eye so its only the through setting without using custom that gives white a warmer tone.
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I was playing around with the picture settings today on my integra dtr 80.3 and found something interesting. When setting the picture mode to "through" the only processing is supposed to be upscaling to 1080p for that particular input. At least for me the "through" setting also changes the color temp to a warmer setting. I paused a screen via my directv that had white wording and changed the pic mode from direct to "through" and every time i changed to "through" the whites had a noticeably warmer tone to them than via direct mode. If i then change the mode to custom, 1080p and color temp normal then everything looks the way it should again. So it appears the that the "through" setting is also setting a warmer color temp along with upscaling. Does anybody else see this behavior since the Onkyo uses the same video processor?

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Custom with the resolution set to 1080p, custom with the resolution set to through and direct look identical to the eye so its only the through setting without using custom that gives white a warmer tone.

To avoid cluttering up multiple threads if you wish to follow this conversation please see this post and follow the dhc 80.3 thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21862106
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I just got a 5009 replacing a 5008 I had for two days replacing a 5007 I had for 2 years. The 5007 was great but lacked the hdmi1.4 so I had to upgrade. Got a good deal on the last 5008 in town, but once I started testing after about 4 hours of upgrading software, audyssey runs and other stuff, the center speaker produced white noise. At first this would go away after switching source or surround mode, but the second day of testing (factory reset, new audyssey run, changing speakers and cabling etc) the center noise just stayed all the time. I returned the unit and had to go for the 540 Euro more expensive 5009. Too bad I must say! I would have rather stayed with the 5008. The times I did not get the static noise, the 08 sounded great and the 09 doesn't do much better. I don't mind too much about NEO X and 4K, but I do mind not having lots of other stuff the 07 and 08 are having over the 09:
- HDMI Sub out produces no menu overlay <- cheap way of saving money
- Zone2 audio in a different room could be selected while still maintaining 7.2 with front speakers. Now I have to use speakers B for my different room thus loosing speakers A front in my main room unable to produce a valid 7.2. I am really unsure why Onkyo would do this. Selecting Zone2 to On, just prohibits you from using Front High speakers.
- I do like Audyssey Music and Movie options however the difference is minimal
- I like Neural surround on the 07 which I don't get anymore on the 09
- The volume knob and overall casing seems to be of less quality, but then everything Onkyo built after the 1000 / 5000e was of less quality however that saves big money since the 5000 was overly expensive. Still have that unit though because of the many speaker / video out and zone features it has.

So in short.. Very happy with my 5009, but for the money I would have rather stayed with the 5008.
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IMO

the 5009 is a cleaner more attractive design than the older units

Since I am not a listener of matrixed audio...those surround modes are meaningless to me...since I only listen to discrete audio formats

that being said...if the the 5008 was considerably less than the 5009...like 40%...then I too would go for the 5008

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I just got a 5009 replacing a 5008 I had for two days replacing a 5007 I had for 2 years. The 5007 was great but lacked the hdmi1.4 so I had to upgrade. Got a good deal on the last 5008 in town, but once I started testing after about 4 hours of upgrading software, audyssey runs and other stuff, the center speaker produced white noise. At first this would go away after switching source or surround mode, but the second day of testing (factory reset, new audyssey run, changing speakers and cabling etc) the center noise just stayed all the time. I returned the unit and had to go for the 540 Euro more expensive 5009. Too bad I must say! I would have rather stayed with the 5008. The times I did not get the static noise, the 08 sounded great and the 09 doesn't do much better. I don't mind too much about NEO X and 4K, but I do mind not having lots of other stuff the 07 and 08 are having over the 09:
- HDMI Sub out produces no menu overlay <- cheap way of saving money
- Zone2 audio in a different room could be selected while still maintaining 7.2 with front speakers. Now I have to use speakers B for my different room thus loosing speakers A front in my main room unable to produce a valid 7.2. I am really unsure why Onkyo would do this. Selecting Zone2 to On, just prohibits you from using Front High speakers.
- I do like Audyssey Music and Movie options however the difference is minimal
- I like Neural surround on the 07 which I don't get anymore on the 09
- The volume knob and overall casing seems to be of less quality, but then everything Onkyo built after the 1000 / 5000e was of less quality however that saves big money since the 5000 was overly expensive. Still have that unit though because of the many speaker / video out and zone features it has.

So in short.. Very happy with my 5009, but for the money I would have rather stayed with the 5008.

That is 40 Euros well spent. Aside from the new Industrial Design, the biggest advantage to the 5009 is the new Video Processor tandem of HQV Vida and Marvell Qdeo. Internally, the two AVR's really are not much different. It does appear that Onkyo lowered the Bias on the Internal Amplifiers so that it does not run quite as hot as the 5008. Congrats on the new AVR.

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Hello guy's.
The Onkyo NR5009 say it has SACD Direct.
It is not mentioned on the NR3009, BUT many times they leave some thing away on paper which is still on the equipment to make the differance seem bigger.

Can anyone who have the NR3009, tell me if the NR3009 really has NO, SACD-Direct possibility?
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hello guy's.
The onkyo nr5009 say it has sacd direct.
It is not mentioned on the nr3009, but many times they leave some thing away on paper which is still on the equipment to make the differance seem bigger.

Can anyone who have the nr3009, tell me if the nr3009 really has no, sacd-direct possibility?

It does have sacd dsd direct over hdmi, I use my oppo 93 to send dsd or you can decode it in the oppo but the 3009 does it. By the way the 3009 is a great receiver just fantastic tremendous bang for the buck.

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Thank you.
So I was right about them just leaving it out of the specs.
I think I will go for the 3009 than.
I almost bought an DVDO iScan Duo $1299, but this Onkyo has it all + the new receiver with all the new sound goodies, that my 9 year old High End receiver don't have.
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It does have sacd dsd direct over hdmi, I use my oppo 93 to send dsd or you can decode it in the oppo but the 3009 does it.

So the DAC's of this Onkyo are better than that of the Oppo 93?

I also have the Oppo 93EU and have it connected by analoge cables.
My receiver can only do SACD if connected analoge, but also the CD's and DVD are sounding much better now, if I use the Oppo DAC's
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So the DAC's of this Onkyo are better than that of the Oppo 93?

I also have the Oppo 93EU and have it connected by analoge cables.
My receiver can only do SACD if connected analoge, but also the CD's and DVD are sounding much better now, if I use the Oppo DAC's

I think the 3009 dacs are fine with the 93 sending the Dsd over HDMI. I think if you had the oppo 95 than that might make a difference with the analog connectiions. I do not know I never heard a demo of the 95 but concensus that is a great sounding unit over analog.

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Yes, I still regrat that I did not go for the Oppo 95EU because of that.
Maybe I can fix the sound quallity jump, by going for the 5009 afterall.
The difference is €474 when searching on the internet for prices.
Maybe this is worth it.
I'm thinking about this for day's.
Very difficult.
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Yes, I still regrat that I did not go for the Oppo 95EU because of that.
Maybe I can fix the sound quallity jump, by going for the 5009 afterall.
The difference is EUR474 when searching on the internet for prices.
Maybe this is worth it.
I'm thinking about this for day's.
Very difficult.

Bummer your not in the US as I have a 5009 for sale
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Bummer your not in the US as I have a 5009 for sale

Why?
Seems to me, for the price you cannot get better.
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I wonder if the 3009 and 5009 will be one of the compatible receivers for their new HD 5.1 music service...

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/11/e...truehd-5-1-au/

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One other reason I bought the DVDO Edge back than, is that it amplify's the HDMI signal so that I could use very large HDMI cables without loosing signal quallity.
By the reviews they used cheap cables and the signal stayed very good.

How is this with the Onkyo 3009 or 5009?
I need to use HDMI cables of 33 feet (10 meters)

It is clear that I'm going for a new receiver because I need a new HDMI Switcher and my receiver is an old one. So why not combine the two and save me some money.
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Vanns has a price drop on the Onkyo 5009.
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Might be soon discontinued, I see the same drop on Crutchfield and Onecall as well.

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its a shame Newegg doesnt seem to carry the higher end Onkyos anymore

the prices they were selling 3008's for last year was a bargain



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I'm new to this thread and have skimmed it over but I'm not sure the answer is here.
I use an ipod on an Onkyo ND-S1 dock for music with my SC5009 receiver. Problem is that I can't feed music to Zone 2 because my "bit-perfect" music is digital to the 5009 - and zones 2/3 need analog to work. So.....

Question: What do you suggest for the best quality music from this set up while also enabling Zone 2?

Do I go with a good DAC and feed analog to the 5009 that way?
or, do I go with a DAC/preamp with HT bypass...
or, what do you suggest?
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There is a new firmware update dated July 5th 2012 for the 3009 / 5009 / 5509 over on the Onkyo website in Europe
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Keep in mind that some of the benchmark testing techniques may have put the amplifiers into current protection mode. Pretty much all AV receivers have current limiting in order to get UL listed. Some receivers kick into the protection mode more quickly, but usually those conditions are NOT encountered in real world listening. Typically a multichannel amp is NOT driving a 1kHz sine wave in phase to all channels simultaneously.


I would not be surprised if the testing methods have changed slightly seeing newer lower-end models beat the 5008 on all channels driven. The 300x and 500x Onkyo units have some pretty hefty power supplies inside.
Even if the tests themselves are unrealistic in nature with respect to how they would relate to "real world situations", in the end if you are doing that same test on both receivers and one performs much better than the other, than that is useful and relevant information. Whether or not a person would ever use their receiver in this way is in reality, the moot point. Kinda feels like excuse making for a company that claims to have massive toroidal transformers and gobs of power BLA BLA BLA.

Most people refute tests like these because they bought the more affordable Onkyo and have been beating their chest about how much more they got for how much less money. And how does that whole current limiting blah blah blah explain why the two channel numbers are also superior for the Denon?
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