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post #91 of 321 Old 09-14-2011, 03:48 PM
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So the full 4K, i.e. 3840x2160, upscaled video, wouldn't that require a display to be able to accept that resolution? And if so, which pj/display does, other than the new Sony VW1000 which has a 4096 x 2160 resolution, interesting how both are' full 4K' , I guess some are more full than others! The new higher end JVC pj scale to a 4K '-lite' , 3840 x 2160 , but I don't think they can accept that input resolution, only upscale from internal vp to that display.

I think there are some displays in Asia that can work with this

I would expect this to be years before this is is available mainstream in NA

Look at how blu ray DVD recorders have been available in other parts of the world

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The 5009 Receiver( to replace the 905) arrived today

The box looked a little used..upon opening the box I could see a piece of the Styrofoam was snapped in half...but the receiver looks fine

I like the new look...I was a little surprised they didn't use the shiny finish on the faceplate

But all in all a nice looking piece


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How do you like the 5009?
I had the 5007 and it was a nightmare.
It was in the shop four times for almost four months and the shop did not know what the heck they were doing. Finally after contacting Onkyo complaining about there product failures they sent me a brand new 5009 two weeks ago and I love it. It seems that they got this one right, I am a happy camper so far. ENJOY!!!
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Well darn, was hoping Onkyo's top end model would at least have the same number of channels as the previous year's Denon's high end model. Oh well, time to wait and see what all the other makers do. I need 11.1 at least...
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Well darn, was hoping Onkyo's top end model would at least have the same number of channels as the previous year's Denon's high end model. Oh well, time to wait and see what all the other makers do. I need 11.1 at least...

Then the Denon 4311 is your best option. There won't be a 4312 this year. It is a real bummer that I bought 11 speakers expecting my Onkyo 5008 to be able to switch between them like listed in the manual.
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How do you like the 5009?
I had the 5007 and it was a nightmare.
It was in the shop four times for almost four months and the shop did not know what the heck they were doing. Finally after contacting Onkyo complaining about there product failures they sent me a brand new 5009 two weeks ago and I love it. It seems that they got this one right, I am a happy camper so far. ENJOY!!!

I pulled it out of the box to check for shipping damage and then put it back in the box

I could replace the Yamaha Z7 with it...but Yamaha dependability and customer service has been so much better , than Onkyo, ..I question if that is a good idea

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How do you like the 5009?
I had the 5007 and it was a nightmare.
It was in the shop four times for almost four months and the shop did not know what the heck they were doing. Finally after contacting Onkyo complaining about there product failures they sent me a brand new 5009 two weeks ago and I love it. It seems that they got this one right, I am a happy camper so far. ENJOY!!!

omd28: What was the problem with your 5007? My 3007 has been in the shop for three months, waiting for parts. I had significant static in the right surround channel and subwoofer channels. It was my second unit. The first had the same problems in other channels. My service guy says dealing with Onkyo sucks. He's an authorized repair center. Whom did you call at Onkyo to complain?

Anybody else know how to deal with repair delays? I'm convinced repair guy is doing all he can.

The 3007 is my fifth or sixth Onkyo AV receiver. The best one by far was my 805, but it didn't have enough HDMI inputs.
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The real reason to get these high end amps

The Denon 4311ci also has AirPlay. Nobody mentioned that even the x009 Onkyo's lack AirPlay. And yes the Denon has 11.2 though I don't need that.

The Denon is also lighter weight. I may need to bring it on a plane and even without the box the Onkyos weigh 55 pounds. I can't think of an easy way to strip 10# out of the Onkyo.

People seem to feel Denon is more reliable. At least, people aren't putting up much of an argument here in this Onkyo thread. Denon was bought by a private equity firm in 2008 and normally that is bad news for quality. http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...cs-mitt-romney I am not sure of any easy way to know about quality. If I haul one out to Asia it would be a problem if it broke.

Maybe the 4311 is a known quantity in terms of reliablity, compared to new unproven models from Onkyo, though really these AVRs are not all that different year to year. I guess really these forums are the best place for me to scan for reliability problems. In fact, by the same token, the 3008 is a proven model about as old as the 4311 so I could look at that. All these have Audyssey XT-32 and that is my main motivation.
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How do you like the 5009?
I had the 5007 and it was a nightmare.
It was in the shop four times for almost four months and the shop did not know what the heck they were doing. Finally after contacting Onkyo complaining about there product failures they sent me a brand new 5009 two weeks ago and I love it. It seems that they got this one right, I am a happy camper so far. ENJOY!!!

I pulled my 5009 out of the box to make sure there was no shipping damage

I put it back in the box and it is still sitting in my garage.

Onkyo is not held in my highest regard right now...so I wondering if I even want to put up with the possible outcomes that have transpired before for me


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Hi
Any 5009 or 3009 users out there that could answer my question about which speaker connection to use on my 5009 with 5.1 & high for my bi-amp.

....avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1364987
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Hi Any 5009 or 3009 users out there that could answer my question about which speaker connection to use on my 5009 with 5.1 & high for my bi-amp.
....avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1364987

I actually read this whole thread while researching your question. This is what I found. Onkyo is a scary brand to buy right now. WOW! I found a difference or discrempancy between the 5008 and the 5009. I believe they removed the "BTL" or amp bridging function. Looking at the manual, data sheet, and most importantly the back of the receiver, there is no btl feature on the 5009. Can someone 100% verify this? Passive bi-amping is available on these and even super cheap receivers. It is an almost worthless feature. Active bi-amping is useful but we don't have active bi-amping going on here. Now bridging a 2 channel amp to 1 channel mono does add real power gains to most amps. Denon doesn't offer btl amp bridging and most others don't either.

To bi-amp the 5008 connect tweeter to surround back, but on the 5009 to bi-amp connect the tweeter to the front high (manual page 16). The other confusion about "bi-amping" is there are 2 types. Splitting signals above and below "bass" crossover (around 80 hz) is something almost everyone does theses days. Splitting the signal between the tweeter (highs) and woofers (midrange) and amping those signals seperately to a single speaker with 1 internal crossover is the "bi-amping" that is assumed to be the connection that is not very worthwhile. Best solution for more power to the main speakers is external 2 channel (or more) amps.
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The TX-NR5009 has just received the highest rating: "Masterpiece" for an AVR in that magazin: www.areadvd.de. It's in German, naturally, but use auto-translation to read it in English. A lot of fotos inside / outside plus the complete menus are included.
Excerpt "... major step up from its predecessors in terms of sound quality... ".
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Thank you for pointing out this review. It looks like the only bi-amp possibility is connecting to the front high which I intend to use. I guess its bad luck, this means no bi-amping for me, which -as some point out- should not give me much anyway.

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Hmm, just bought the denon 4311ci for $1459 shipped. Would it be a good choice to return and wait for the 5009? Your thoughts?


If they allows u, u should...
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The TX-NR5009 has just received the highest rating: "Masterpiece" for an AVR in that magazin: www.areadvd.de. It's in German, naturally, but use auto-translation to read it in English. A lot of fotos inside / outside plus the complete menus are included.
Excerpt "... major step up from its predecessors in terms of sound quality... ".

which I will take with a HUGE grain of salt. The 3008 and 5008 were a good step up from the x007 line due to XT32.

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Just read it yourself...
... then make up your mind.
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anyone who is considering an Onkyo right now is nuts... Their track record on reliability has been horrible since the x05 series a few years ago... They have HDMI board issues and now the "gunk" on the circuit boards. Replacing a faulty HDMI board will set you back about $1000 right now. For ONE small circuit board.

I now am experiencing the DTS HD Master bomb again on my 905/906 and Onkyo refuses to believe there is a problem. Their U.S. customer service do not communicate to each other and they have absolutely no idea what the heck is going on. And worse, they treated me like I was the problem...

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Essentially with the xxx9 reliability might just be what they get right this time around. From reports of other 09 receivers the heat issue is much better. Heat inevitably will lead to other problems. Hopefully through all the prior board failures they nailed down the source. At least that's what the optimist in me is thinking.
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Essentially with the xxx9 reliability might just be what they get right this time around. From reports of other 09 receivers the heat issue is much better. Heat inevitably will lead to other problems. Hopefully through all the prior board failures they nailed down the source. At least that's what the optimist in me is thinking.


enough time has not passed guy

Give it a year and see if you still feel the same way

I have had two units replaced by Onkyo...and two others that needed repair

I agree with the above poster..that starting with the x05 units there was some problems


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I have a few DTS CD's that I would like to rip and play through DLNA. First I tried through my Samsung BD-C6900 (DTS embedded in WAV) but it nicelly tells me format not supported. Feeding the NR5009 unrecognized stuff through DLNA seems to lock up DLNA on the reciever requiring a cold boot.

Does anyone know what codecs and container combinations are supported?
I tried playing DTS in WAV file from Windows 7 (media player).
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Aren't you ?

I owned several units from the beginning of the "new" Onkyo aera: 905 (sold), 875 (sold), 876, 5007 and now 5009 plus 3009. Being cautious right from the beginning, all my units had or still have forced cooling and some even a special heat sink mounted directly onto the Reon chip. None of the units gave me any problem ...
I might have been lucky but being cautious always helps. I still enjoy them.


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anyone who is considering an Onkyo right now is nuts... Their track record on reliability has been horrible since the x05 series a few years ago... They have HDMI board issues and now the "gunk" on the circuit boards. Replacing a faulty HDMI board will set you back about $1000 right now. For ONE small circuit board.

I now am experiencing the DTS HD Master bomb again on my 905/906 and Onkyo refuses to believe there is a problem. Their U.S. customer service do not communicate to each other and they have absolutely no idea what the heck is going on. And worse, they treated me like I was the problem...

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Excerpt from the (somehow crud) translation of above mentioned review:

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Competitive Comparison

Pioneer SC-LX75 : For much less money offers the Pioneer a great accessory with the best currently available calibration system. In addition, a very lively sound and excellent power handling. The video section has the significant improvements compared to previous generations and is now on par with the best. The considerably more expensive Onkyo justifies its extra cost with even greater strength levels, even more sophisticated space, finer detail orientation and velvety-silky treble, which, moreover, also provides superior audibility. No question - the TX-NR5009 can acoustically older cars look really "old", the same goes for stereo operation.
Yamaha RX-V3067 : The cheaper Yamaha is now replaced by the RX-A3010 (test to follow), but is still a very good AV receiver. Tonally matched neutral, it trumps with its many cinema and HiFi DSP programs that enhance the listening pleasure when used correctly. The streaming capabilities are limited as with Onkyo and Pioneer on music file formats. The video section of the Yamaha is average and does not set more records.
Onkyo TX-NR1009 : The lowest nine-channel Onkyo AVR costs compared to 5009, only half, but is almost equally well equipped. Topsy-turvy world? Not at all, because instead of investing in another, in practice usually unnecessary and the operation only complicate making more features, Onkyo has preferred to use traditional measures to establish a respectable distance between the two components: Only the basic concept of the internal structure is similar, the modules in 5009, however, are so high that even very good Vor-/Endstufenkombinationen could safely decorate. The overall measures have the effect that open up new sonic horizons: more space and joy of playing, significantly increased levels of sovereignty at large, more and more coarse-fine dynamics make the ranking in the Onkyo home than clear. For sound enthusiasts with an appropriate budget for the 5009 fall clearly the first choice for price-conscious power to the TX-NR1009.
Onkyo TX-NR5008 : The TX-NR5009 has become significantly more expensive - that's the bad news. The good news: Sonically the 5009 is clearly the 5008 in the shade. More finesse, elegance, smoothness and spaciousness, as well as provide a level of strength ahead of the new device. Also, the video section has become very much better.
Acoustically impressive superiority standard-setting premium AV receiver with full equipment

....
Acoustically impressive superior standard-setting premium AV receiver with full feature set
Rating: Masterpiece

Test: AV Receivers Upper Class
05th Test October 2011

+ First-class spaciousness
+ Excellent coarse and fine dynamics
+ Consistently high performance even in stereo mode
+ All currently important to decoder board
+ Excellent video section
+ Lush + port placement
+ Many different Internet audio platforms
+ Very solid and quality workmanship

- Non-streaming of video files

Text: Carsten Rampacher
Photos: Sven Wunderlich
Date: 10/05/2011

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I can't comment on this, because my units are still boxed in and I don't have the time yet to get them set up.
But because it is the only "serious" review i found on the internet i thought it would be woth mentioning as a first impression from someone.


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which I will take with a HUGE grain of salt. The 3008 and 5008 were a good step up from the x007 line due to XT32.

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All I see in that comparison are a bunch of adjectives that have no real hard qualifiers behind them. The 3008/5008 were pretty good sonically. I just have a hard time believing the new 5009 is that much better. I guess I would be more interested in seeing if the amp section in the 5009 is redesigned compared to the 3008/5008. We all know the 1008 and probably the 1009 amp sections were gutted compared to the 1007 of a couple years ago. The 1008/1009 are only THX Select2Plus certified compared to the THX Ultra2Plus of the 5009/5008/3009/3008 models.

Again I want to see some hard qualifiers other than some open to interpretation adjectives.

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Aren't you ?

I owned several units from the beginning of the "new" Onkyo aera: 905 (sold), 875 (sold), 876, 5007 and now 5009 plus 3009. Being cautious right from the beginning, all my units had or still have forced cooling and some even a special heat sink mounted directly onto the Reon chip. None of the units gave me any problem ...
I might have been lucky but being cautious always helps. I still enjoy them.

Realizing the amount of heat the 905/906 were generating, I also had forced cooling and heatsinks mounted on the HQV processors. Used a 120mm PC fan mounted over the HDMI board sucking air out of the case and the heat sinks were a necessity as the HDMI signal would go wonky without them. I had the 906 sent in for service and I still had HDMI issues on its return.

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I have a 5009 arriving Monday. Have had 905, 906, 876 and knock on wood all without problems. This is going to pair up to my 70 inch Elite due to be arriving not to long from now !!!
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Aren't you ?

I owned several units from the beginning of the "new" Onkyo aera: 905 (sold), 875 (sold), 876, 5007 and now 5009 plus 3009. Being cautious right from the beginning, all my units had or still have forced cooling and some even a special heat sink mounted directly onto the Reon chip. None of the units gave me any problem ...
I might have been lucky but being cautious always helps. I still enjoy
them.

I would say you were lucky for two reasons

1. You never had a failure
2. You never never then had to deal Onkyo customer service

I have had several of the same units units you have had...sans the 876,5007,3009...but add the 885 and 5508 preamps

of the 6 units I have owned in the last 5 years( 807,875(2),885,905,5508)...5 have had issues
..of those 5 ..two units have been replaced, most recently with Onkyo giving me a new 5009 for a failed 905


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I would say you were lucky for two reasons

1. You never had a failure
2. You never never then had to deal Onkyo customer service

I have had several of the same units units you have had...sans the 876,5007,3009...but add the 885 and 5508 preamps

of the 6 units I have owned in the last 5 years( 807,875(2),885,905,5508)...5 have had issues
..of those 5 ..two units have been replaced, most recently with Onkyo giving me a new 5009 for a failed 905


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you're lucky... Onkyo won't even talk to me right now... They don't believe i am having problems with the Star Wars blu-ray discs with the DTS HD Master bomb issue...

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I just ordered a 3009, it should come in sometime next week. I guess I've been lucky with my Onkyo experience, apart from the display going out, which was an easy fix, I've had no such trouble with my receiver. Maybe it's because I don't confine my receiver in a tight spots and actually give it room to breathe.

Just thumbing through the manual, it appears they have dropped neural processing for the 5009/3009, not a deal breaker by any means but disappointing that they dropped a feature.
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I have both now sitting in my unfinished new house, still in the box.
Haven't had the time to even open the boxes. Will see, if i can get some spare time for this the coming days.

The first thing I usually do, is open the case and look for internal build quality and weaks spots, i have to cope with one way or the other.
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I have both now sitting in my unfinished new house, still in the box.
Haven't had the time to even open the boxes. Will see, if i can get some spare time for this the coming days.

The first thing I usually do, is open the case and look for internal build quality and weaks spots, i have to cope with one way or the other.

I am really looking forward to your review. I sold my 905 a few months ago (decided to remodel some of the theater and add height/wide channels in place of rear surround) and have been trying not to jump the gun on a new receiver. I've found a couple pretty fair deals on a pre owned 5008 and 4311ci. I am upgrading my projector at the same time so I don't want to drop all the coin on the 5009. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about the 3009. If it's a huge step forward (which I can't imagine), I'll go that route, otherwise it's between the 4311ci and 5008.

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