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Enjoying the head phones but still getting drop outs. Any advice on a where to have the unit and what band width to go for to stop this happening? Does it make a difference having the unit behind/in front of you or on top of other electrical items...
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Looking to buy a pair of the new 9.1 cans, but I need to know one thing: Is there a decent/somewhat comfortable way to wear 3D glasses when using these?

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Looking to buy a pair of the new 9.1 cans, but I need to know one thing: Is there a decent/somewhat comfortable way to wear 3D glasses when using these?
I have the original pair (the DS7500), but I use them constantly, and sometimes with 3D.

For me, I put the glasses on first, then put on the headphones. I have a couple different types of 3D glasses; you'll want ones with the thinnest possible plastic at the point above your ear (I guess, according to google, that's called the "temples"?). Reason being, the headphones won't fully "seal" around your ear, because the plastic of the 3D glasses is in the way, slightly.

I find that by the end of a long 3D movie, I have an indentation above each ear where the headphones were pushing the temples portion of the glasses against my head.

All this being said, it's definitely doable. It is only slightly uncomfortable, IMO. To be able to watch 3D movies late at night without disturbing anyone, it's worth it to me.
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I have it hooked up between the avr and the tv. It works just like it did before, so nothing new for the wife to worry about. It is essentially invisible.

The headphones only come on when I put them on my head. They go off a minute after I put them down. There is no disruption on the tv when this happens.

The only issue that has come up is the input button on the bottom of the cans. My wife hit that once by mistake. This is the input select for the dsp. She was pretty upset that she couldn't figure out how get it back. Mad a t me that is.

I have had them about two months and am pretty happy with the purchase. It is no substitute for a real surround sound system at volume, but works well for my situation, and for people that just aren't able to turn things up.
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Looking to buy a pair of the new 9.1 cans, but I need to know one thing: Is there a decent/somewhat comfortable way to wear 3D glasses when using these?
I wear regular glasses without noticing discomfort. The thicker 3d ones are uncomfortable after awhile. I don't see any way around that.
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I wear regular glasses without noticing discomfort. The thicker 3d ones are uncomfortable after awhile. I don't see any way around that.
Thanks. My only other concern was how I am going to set this up and route my hdmi sources. I really didn't want everything going thru the headphone receiver as I like switching inputs on my AVR as is. And I don't want to route from my Denon AVR to the headphone receiver and have to rely on passthrough and hope for no interference in the signal. I'm all for passing as clean a signal as possible unmolested without going through multiple channels so my solution was this: I narrowed down what I will actually use the headphones for to my bluray player and my PS4. The bluray player has two hdmi OUTS so one will go to my Denon AVR as always and the other straight to the MDR

I found myself wishing all my devices had dual HDMI OUT hookups for the same setup as the bluray player, which gave me an idea. So for the PS4 I found hdmi (1 in 2 out) mini switcher (with power cord) for around twenty four bucks on monoprice:
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Is there any way to change the input of the Sony MDR-HW700DS using BRAVIA Sync/HDMI CEC. Don't want to have to switch inputs when not using the headphones by manually pressing a button on the unit.

Perhaps the Harmony remote with Wi-Fi can do this?
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MDR-HW700DS 9.1

I find some movies to be fantastic on these and some not so much. Guess it depends on what's already there on the sound mix. Dredd 3D was probably the best movie I tried on these so far - but it has encoding to go up beyond 7.1 via DTS Neo X mix (Up to 11.1). I didn't think these could decode Neo X until I checked the manual and in fact they do decode Neo X!!!

The 11.1 DTS soundcheck in the Extras on Dredd was VERY well represented in all directions including the Wides, Height, and Back channels. Count me impressed. I think maybe these should be called 11.1 instead of 9.1. The main problem now is that The Expendables 2, Dredd, and Step Up Revolution are the only blurays I could find that support Neo X. The new Transformers movie will be the first to have Dolby Atmos but these headphones do not support it. Here is what these support:

Digital surround processor (DP-HW700)

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* The Dolby Pro Logic IIz function and the DTS Neo:X function of the system support playback from the headphones only

On another note my DLP link Estar 3D glasses are very comfortable under these and not an issue at all
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I find some movies to be fantastic on these and some not so much. Guess it depends on what's already there on the sound mix. Dredd 3D was probably the best movie I tried on these so far - but it has encoding to go up beyond 7.1 via DTS Neo X mix (Up to 11.1). I didn't think these could decode Neo X until I checked the manual and in fact they do decode Neo X!!!

The 11.1 DTS soundcheck in the Extras on Dredd was VERY well represented in all directions including the Wides, Height, and Back channels.
Neo:X in a 7.1 system is limited to 7.1 outputs. If the source were 2-ch or 5.1, it will output 7.1. The wides and heights are not supported by the Sony phones, so there's no Neo:X decoding going on for a 7.1 source to a 7.1 output. The Dredd mix did encode wide/height sounds, and in some ways they become apparent when playing on 7.1 speakers, too, so I think that's what you are hearing.

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Neo:X in a 7.1 system is limited to 7.1 outputs. If the source were 2-ch or 5.1, it will output 7.1. The wides and heights are not supported by the Sony phones, so there's no Neo:X decoding going on for a 7.1 source to a 7.1 output. The Dredd mix did encode wide/height sounds, and in some ways they become apparent when playing on 7.1 speakers, too, so I think that's what you are hearing.
Are you speaking about the older 7.1 headphones or these newer 9.1 I'm speaking of which include height representation and decode Neo X

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Mdr-hw700ds

"Imaging is surprisingly accurate. Running the sound channel check on The Expendables 2 Blu-ray, the headphones accurately placed all the channels in a 7.1 mix and made a good stab at recreating the Neo:X 11.1-channel option too. There’s a real sense of scale and spaciousness to the soundstage."

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Neo:X in a 7.1 system is limited to 7.1 outputs. If the source were 2-ch or 5.1, it will output 7.1. The wides and heights are not supported by the Sony phones, so there's no Neo:X decoding going on for a 7.1 source to a 7.1 output. The Dredd mix did encode wide/height sounds, and in some ways they become apparent when playing on 7.1 speakers, too, so I think that's what you are hearing.
And from Sony's own page:

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Are you speaking about the older 7.1 headphones or these newer 9.1 I'm speaking of which include height representation and decode Neo X
Sorry. I was talking about the model that is the subject of this thread. By bad.

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Sold my 7500s and bought the new version aswell. charging the headphone atm n will try it out later.
feels lighter n more compact the new headset.
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Less bass on the 700s than 7500s little let down oc them really.
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Less bass on the 700s than 7500s little let down oc them really.
Is that even after adjusting the LFE level in the menu?
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I understand this a rarely frequented forum but I had a couple questions if anybody is still around. First off I own the MDR-HW700DS. I have read through this thread and people seem to dislike the cinema setting, which actually I think sounds the best. Is there a problem using this setting? If so what should I be using. And secondly should I be using the NEOX setting every time I watch a movie? Like should I use that setting on every movie I watch including 5.1 and 7.1 blu rays? Thanks
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They really need to release a set of cans now that support 4k/60Hz. 24Hz just isn't going to cut it anymore.

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They really need to release a set of cans now that support 4k/60Hz. 24Hz just isn't going to cut it anymore.
It would probably be wiser to provide a separate HDMI to HDMI adaptor that can receive a 4K60p signal with HD audio and split the audio out from the video so that the audio can be fed into the processor while sending the video directly to your TV instead of through the processor. That way they could simply sell you a new $25 adaptor whenever a new HDMI revision comes out that impacts video bandwidth, but doesn't really impact audio, instead of needing to buy a whole new set of headphones.

With that said, I doubt we will see such a device as I expect that they will release a new model that has an Atmos renderer, allowing even more discrete "channels" to be fed into their proprietary surround sound virtualization algorithms. As a bonus, the new headphones should support HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2.
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Either way there's really not much point in me upgrading from my old 1080p pair until they offer HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support.

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Thumbs down Mdr-hw700ds vs mdr-ds7500

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Less bass on the 700s than 7500s little let down oc them really.
Same conclusion for me, by luck I still own the old set 7500 in the bedroom but I'm very disapointed by this difference in sound quality, even with LFE +6, sound quality/bass + isolation are much less good than on the previous model.
Also the Wireless transmission is less strong, I had interferences twice already..
Definitly Sony has produced a cheaper version this time, more modern with its compact design but less good in performances.
I'm sad I didn't go for a new 7500 set to install the other room.
Plus I would have the possibility to use 2 headsets in any of the 2 rooms when required (that I can't currently due to different versions.. I tried to pair the new with old processor, and opposite also but is not working..)
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Just posted my mint condition pair of these here on AVS classifieds. Excellent deal, no waiting. Ships from California: Sony MDR-DS7500 and second MDR-RF7500 MINT
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Has anyone heard if Sony is coming out with an updated model in 2016? How about competing brands? Anything on the horizon?
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Has anyone heard if Sony is coming out with an updated model in 2016? How about competing brands? Anything on the horizon?

Sony came out with an updated, 9.1 surround model, last year I believe.

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Sorry meant a newer model than that. This thread is dedicated to both models, I keep forgetting about the older model...
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Unlikely. The newer model was really an internationalized model - I believe the 7500 was Japan only, while the 700 was sold worldwide. They're basically the same unit but a few differences. Most notable was the elimination of the ID button which allowed multiple headphones to be paired with the base unit.
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Got it. And no other brands make or are planning to make a similar headset? All I've found are the Sennheiser ones (no HDMI/HD Audio) and a few Bluetooth headsets (stereo only). Anything I'm missing?
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Thumbs up MDR-DS7500 cans with Pioneer VSX-1122 AVR (optical cables are not necessary)!

Everything is working great, and I've owned these cans for about two years. The setup I use follows the schematic on page 17 of the manual: Time Warner cable box > HDMI > Pioneer VSX-1122 > HDMI > Sony transmitter > HDMI > Samsung HDTV. Although the schematic shows two optical cables connecting the; 1) HDTV optical/audio OUT to Sony transmitter optical IN...and 2) Sony transmitter optical OUT~through to the Pioneer VSX-1122 optical IN, these are not necessary for my setup! Once I've powered my main components on with the Harmony 600 remote, then I power on the headphones & transmitter by putting them on my head. I then click the devices key on the 600 to bring up all of my components on the 600's menu window. I then select Pioneer 1122 and navigate to the HDMI audio THROUGH OR AMP 'boxes' which appear on the 600's menu window and click THROUGH and presto it sends the signal/sound to the cans! NO optical cables needed because the HDMI cable from the AVR to the transmitter delivers the sound! Another thing I think occurred ( but cannot remember exactly) is when I had another setup working good (on page 16...NOT 17), is where I've had sound from BOTH the AVR fed surround speaker & the cans. I will report back once I've experimented with this particular setup....I hope this helps!

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MDR_DS7500 cans & Pioneer VSX-1122 AVR (setup #2, on page16 of the manual)

continued from post 418.....Another thing I think occurred ( but cannot remember exactly) is when I had another setup working good (on page 16...NOT 17), is where I've had sound from BOTH the AVR fed surround speaker & the cans. I will report back once I've experimented with this particular setup. After experimenting today here are the results:
Setup #2 : TimeWarner cable box>HDMI>Sony transmitter (HDMI mode 2)>HDMI>Pioneer 1122 AVR>HDMI>Samsung HDTV's audio optical OUT> Sony transmitter audio optical IN ....Sony transmitter audio optical (through) OUT > Pioneer 1122 AVR optical IN (TV Input).
As mentioned n my previous post.....I WAS able to receive sound from BOTH the AVR fed surround speakers and the cans together using this setup #2 ...however , I was ONLY able to achieve this while using the HDTV's internet feature as the video/audio source (not possible with TimeWarner cable box as the source). Then I had to change the input on the Sony transmitter to 'optical'. Then to receive sound to ONLY the cans I just changed the Pioneer AVR's HDMI audio to 'through' from Amp.
Setup #2 (basically is the Source > Sony transmitter > AVR > HDTV)....is most convenient for me because when using the TimeWarner box as the source, then all I have to do is put on the cans for listening without having to go into the AVR's menu for anything. Sorry for the long winded post!..

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They need to push out a HDCP 2.2 compliant model of these headphones soon or it's quickly going to become obsolete.

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