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This thread was last done in 2007 and I'm looking for a more current recommendation.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915397


This will be predominantly for HT use in a room that is 12 x 20 x 10 feet. I was hoping to find a receiver for less than $1000

My tentative 5.1 setup:

front towers: 683 x 2
center: htm61
rears: 685 x 2
sub: ???


Thanks for your help!
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Well, after a lot of help on the speaker forum, I was recommended to change my setup to accommodate the challenges of my room, complicated most notably with my display being over a fireplace.

As of now, I am planning a 5.2 setup using B&W 685s as fronts, center and rears and 2 rythmik FV12 subs.

I am looking at 3 receivers right now:

Onkyo TX-NR809 $750
Marantz SR6005 $570
Denon 2311CI $540

Are the Onkyo's extra features worth the additional cost?

Will all match well with B&Ws?

How does the Denon compare with the Marantz?

Are there any other receivers around this price range that I should strongly consider?


Thanks for helping this first time HT buyer.
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Onkyo has had heat related reliability issues for their past few generations - the x06/x07/x08 models in particular. The new ones (x09) that you are looking at are by all reports very cool running. Is it a crapshoot to buy one? Yes - but reducing the heat levels can only help.

Marantz has has 'pop of death' issues in a few of their models although thats been largely solved.

Denon keeps plodding along - less features for the dollar outlay but less problems - and many happy users.

You might want to explore some of the Yamaha AVRs in your price range. They seem to be fairly stoutly made and fewer complaints than Onkyo - although Onkyo do outsell the others. More squeaky wheels? Probably but its hard to ignore the track record of the past few years.

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If you were to buy one of the 3 I listed, which one would you buy and why?
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6AVE has an open box 991 on Amazon right now for 560. The 991 is a step up from the 2311 and adds networking and MultEQ XT. A new one is 699 on 6AVE's website.

Used http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used
New http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.asp...&sku=DENAVR991
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6AVE has an open box 991 on Amazon right now for 560. The 911 is a step up from the 2311 and adds networking and MultEQ XT. A new one is 699 on 6AVE's website.

Used http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used
New http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.asp...&sku=DENAVR991


Thanks for the info. Is the 991 superior to the Onkyo I listed?
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Thanks for the info. Is the 991 superior to the Onkyo I listed?

I wouldn't say superior. The Onkyo has preamp outputs and a few other features that the 991 doesn't have like Dolby Volume and THX modes. It's more comparable than the 2311 though.
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Which one would you buy and why?
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I bought the 3311 over the 809 because I found an open box for 530 and because I just didn't trust Onkyo after all the bad reports on the 06, 07 and 08 series. I'm not saying the 09 series has issues but I just didn't want to risk it since I've had good luck with Denon. I'm always watching for good deals (yes, it's a sickness) so I might end up with a Yamaha A2000 if I see one for a good price.
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Are you concerned about the lack of a warranty on used receivers?
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Open box receivers usually come with the manufacturer warranty if it's from an Authorized retailer. You would have to check with 6Ave because the one on Amazon says used so I don't know about that. If you see an open box from Amazon Warehouse Deals those are covered under the warranty. I checked before I bought the 3311. Anything from best buy and places like that should also have a warranty.
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how do you know the 6ave 991 on amazon is open box? it just says used?
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How about a brand new Marantz 6005?

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...umber=MASR6005
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I don't so I would email Denon and see what they say before buying it.

I really don't understand why the Denon 3311 is still so high. Last year the Denon 3310 was cheaper by this time. I guess it could be they had more stock last year so they had to sell them cheaper but I don't know for sure. I would guess the prices will keep dropping until they sell out.
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How about a brand new Marantz 6005?

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...umber=MASR6005


That is one of the receivers I am looking at from above. It's a bit cheaper on amazon right now.

I'm just looking for advice for which one will give me the most bang for the buck.
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This is purely subjective, but I didn't like the sound of my 685's driven by a Denon 1911 and went with separates instead. Also, the htm62 is tough to drive, if you use it as a center.

I'm actually thinking of using a 685 as my center.

I know receivers are subjective, but because I will not be able to audition most of them, I'm hoping for members who have more expertise (everyone here) to give me their choices in my price range and to explain their reasoning.

Thanks for your help.
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I'm actually thinking of using a 685 as my center.

I know receivers are subjective, but because I will not be able to audition most of them, I'm hoping for members who have more expertise (everyone here) to give me their choices in my price range and to explain their reasoning.

Thanks for your help.

I would think the 685 would make a good center if you can position it vertically. I would look for an AVR with preouts so if you want, you can add an amp later.
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The guys are right, you might want to get a receiver with preamp outputs because even if you don't want an amp now, you may want to get one in the future. That would knock the 991 out of the running. The 3311 has preamp outputs and so does the Onkyo 809. Amazon has an open box 3311 for 709. That I know would have the 3 year warranty. I still think they are going to get cheaper in the next couple months.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used
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Maybe a Denon 3310 would work?

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Just to throw another receiver into the mix, consider the Harman Kardon HD7550. It's poerful, feature rich and looks great. Since it's been discontinued, it's also selling for much less that it's MRSP. Well under $1000 las time I saw, if you can find one. There is a thread about this model on the forum that might be worth checking out.
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I've seen the 7550HD for right at $1000 or just under on Amazon and Harman Audio's ebay store. Where are you seeing it for well under $1000?
Certainly well worth looking at IMO. It's as powerful as any of the other flagship models - it weighs 44 pounds and is listed at 110wpc. Total watts is listed at 1405 watts. If that isn't enough it has preamp outs.

HK's customer service is second to none. I've used them a few times in the past 10 years and never came away disappointed with how they handled the problems. Only one was electronic related - UPS was the culprit. They dropped a 96 pound Infinity Cascade sub so hard one of the 6" square drivers popped all but one of it's holding screws and crushed one corner. Harman covered the damage - probably has a good agreement with UPS since successful claims against UPS are more scarce than hen's teeth.

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There quite a number of negative reviews on many of the Denon's on amazon including the 3310 and 3311. The best rated denon's on amazon are the 2311 and 991, which don't have preamps.

What do you guys think of the Pioneer Elite SC-35?
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The onkyo 809 is now only $699 on amazon so i might go with that. it's reviews are predominantly positive
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683 are relatively hard to drive. Their impedance drops to 3 Ohms in a wide range of frequencies under 1000Hz. So you need a receiver which is known to work well with 4 Ohm load. I think Onkyo 809 is one of them. But better option is to get receiver with pre-outs and use separate stereo power amp for fronts. On the other end 685 are easy to drive, and almost any receiver is capable to do it. That is why separate power amp is needed only for two front speakers.
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683 are relatively hard to drive. Their impedance drops to 3 Ohms in a wide range of frequencies under 1000Hz. So you need a receiver which is known to work well with 4 Ohm load. I think Onkyo 809 is one of them. But better option is to get receiver with pre-outs and use separate stereo power amp for fronts...

Do you have a plot of the 683 frequency response? I know the manufacturer claims a minimum 3 ohms, but they list 8 ohms nominal. Plus its sensitivity is high at 90.
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683 are relatively hard to drive. Their impedance drops to 3 Ohms in a wide range of frequencies under 1000Hz. So you need a receiver which is known to work well with 4 Ohm load. I think Onkyo 809 is one of them. But better option is to get receiver with pre-outs and use separate stereo power amp for fronts. On the other end 685 are easy to drive, and almost any receiver is capable to do it. That is why separate power amp is needed only for two front speakers.

Where did you find this information on the 683's?
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Just to throw it out there I was at Bestbuy yesterday and they had a 3311CI on clearance for $400.. may want to see if your local (magnolia) location has one.
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Wow, that's a killer price. That's 2/3 of msrp! If you look at the Amazon reviews, most of the bad ones are about the network card issue. The 3311 had similar problems as the 3310 early on but they were able to come up with a firmware update to correct the issue. The only thing is, if the network card has failed then you can't do the update. If you buy one and you are able to do the update as soon as you get it, you should be ok. I haven't had any issues with mine.
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Where did you find this information on the 683's?

Here it is http://www.hometheater.com/content/b...m-measurements
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