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The day that you can apply Room EQ with DSD that'll be the day! ...Or maybe some machines can already, I don't know.
My Marantz SR7009 can. At any rate, its Info screen reports receiving a DSD bitstream and shows Audyssey being applied. Presumably it's downconverting DSD to LPCM internally. Current implementations of Audyssey also are known to be limited to 48K samples/second.

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My Marantz SR7009 can. At any rate, its Info screen reports receiving a DSD bitstream and shows Audyssey being applied. Presumably it's downconverting DSD to LPCM internally. Current implementations of Audyssey also are known to be limited to 48K samples/second.
Hi Selden,

The Integra DHC-80.3 pre/pro shows the same in its front panel display window:
DSD - - - - 5.0
DSD


And the Audyssey logo light is On (activated). But! The DSD source (SACD) is converted and handled as PCM; it simply doesn't show it.

If you want straight DSD use the Pure Direct mode in your Marantz SR7009 receiver, without Audyssey.
{In Pure Direct - DSD mode the Audyssey logo light should automatically disappeared.}

And I know about the 48kHz limit of Audyssey. ...If you want higher sampling rate, go DIRAC.

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Is anyone else having the following problem with loud pops coming through the speakers?

I have a DirecTV HR24 connected to one of the HDMI inputs. When the TV broadcast switches between Dolby Digital 2.0 and Dolby Digital 5.1 (such as when going to a commercial in 2.0 and returning to the main program in 5.1) I sometimes get a loud pop through the speakers at the instant the bitstream format changes.

It has been doing this for a long time, so I don't know if this is a design defect or there is something wrong with my unit. I don't appear to be losing HDMI lock as the video is never interrupted. I have the latest firmware.

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Is anyone else having the following problem with loud pops coming through the speakers?

I have a DirecTV HR24 connected to one of the HDMI inputs. When the TV broadcast switches between Dolby Digital 2.0 and Dolby Digital 5.1 (such as when going to a commercial in 2.0 and returning to the main program in 5.1) I sometimes get a loud pop through the speakers at the instant the bitstream format changes.

It has been doing this for a long time, so I don't know if this is a design defect or there is something wrong with my unit. I don't appear to be losing HDMI lock as the video is never interrupted. I have the latest firmware.

Thanks.

My DHC-80.3 responds to many switching events with a pop -- not loud at all, but still, audible.
More or less the same as my previous pre-pro (Integra Research RDC-7.1). Their Support told
me pops were a perfectly normal design artifact. While a truly poor design (and fairly easy to
circumvent), it didn't deter me from buying yet another Onkyo product. Just get used to it :-).

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My DHC-80.3 responds to many switching events with a pop -- not loud at all, but still, audible.
More or less the same as my previous pre-pro (Integra Research RDC-7.1). Their Support told
me pops were a perfectly normal design artifact. While a truly poor design (and fairly easy to
circumvent), it didn't deter me from buying yet another Onkyo product. Just get used to it :-).

-- Ron
I'm on my third 80.3 and they all have exhibited the same issue that you're speaking of with the popping in the speakers. That's why I returned my first one,the second one had the hdmi board go out, and my third is the factory refurb they swapped for my second one. I have tried different listening modes for mono, two channel source, etc under the set up menu and nothing has changed. I guess it's something I'll have to use to. I feel your pain.
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My DHC-80.3 responds to many switching events with a pop -- not loud at all, but still, audible.
More or less the same as my previous pre-pro (Integra Research RDC-7.1). Their Support told
me pops were a perfectly normal design artifact. While a truly poor design (and fairly easy to
circumvent), it didn't deter me from buying yet another Onkyo product. Just get used to it :-).

-- Ron
I'm on my third 80.3 and they all have exhibited the same issue that you're speaking of with the popping in the speakers. That's why I returned my first one,the second one had the hdmi board go out, and my third is the factory refurb they swapped for my second one. I have tried different listening modes for mono, two channel source, etc under the set up menu and nothing has changed. I guess it's something I'll have to use to. I feel your pain.
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dhc 80.3 popping noise

I forgot to mention I have learned through experimentation that the noise is only in the surround speakers and not the main fronts. I was using adcom Gfa 555 amps for my surround channels. I was informed that my amps were the cause of the popping noise, so I purchased a mcintosh mc 8207 and needless to say the noise still appears. I never had this issue with my adcom gtp 880 pre/pro but the integra piece is a whole different animal. Now I'm stuck with two adcom amps I can't use lol.
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In the past no; my mains have decent bass with the type of music I usually like listening to; Classical Chamber, Jazz, Blues (primordially).

Today yes, both subs are active with only stereo music listening, and I crossed my mains @ 80Hz.
Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is also in the loop; the bass is well balanced, articulated, and the rest of the audio spectrum clear and present.
And the integrity of my speaker's imaging is not compromised. I verified that with Roger Waters' album; Amused to Death. ...Encoded in QSound.

* No Dynamic EQ though, ever!

I also use Jennifer Warnes - Famous Blue Raincoat - album for several etudes. ...In the smallest details, in clarity, imaging, bass definition, and the overall gel of the vocals presence with the music accompaniment. ...One of the audiophile's best.

I also like electronic music...Jean-Michel Jarre, Tangerine Dream, Yello, Dead Can Dance, ...and New Age; Michael Stearns, etc.
The subs are well self-serving too with Bach classical organ music.

I experimented extensively, and with Audyssey engaged and disengaged. Eight mic measurements in a tight cluster worked best in my latest listening room. I spent a considerable amount of time to get my two subs in the ball park, balancing speaking.

Next year I am embarking on a new dimensional force; Dolby Atmos and DTS:X...and perhaps Auro-3D as well; just not there yet, few minor information is still needed for me to make that new elevated transition, and only time is the last remaining factor for those new sources of info.
Then the DHC-80.3 I can say goodbye and my brother will be happy.

We live @ a new threshold when it comes to sound immersion, and higher level of picture quality.
Now we just need more Mad Max: Fury Road type of flicks and newer well recorded/mixed multichannel music recordings...classical.
...And Pink Floyd type of music...The Wall live with Roger Waters. ...Yes.

But yes, even with smooth stereo jazz music from the ECM record label I appreciate my two subs being engaged in unison with XT32.
There is no substitute for what's most engaging when listening to stereo music, and with the natural recording ambiance captured magically and technically by the master recording/mixing studio/hall professional music recordist/engineer.

That's my opinion based on my experiments and listening sessions...mainly subjective with only very basic measurements with a laser, a tape measure and a rat shack SPL meter.

Happy trail towards Christmas 2015. ...All the love and peace from above the sky.
I have the Integra DHC-80.3 and I have an issue: when I put on DSD mode and listen SACD from my OPPO 95 or Sony SCD XA 5400ES if I stop the disc,open the tray, I heard a pop noise on my speakers.
Can anybody help me with that?

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I have the Integra DHC-80.3 and I have an issue: when I put on DSD mode and listen SACD from my OPPO 95 or Sony SCD XA 5400ES if I stop the disc,open the tray, I heard a pop noise on my speakers.
Can anybody help me with that?

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Try a different Listening Mode Preset. Like DSD, or PCM or Multich...from your Integra setup menu...for that particular source.
...And select one also for all your other sources...and don't leave any source with "Last Valid" selection.
{Pages 64-65 in your manual, and pages 39 to 43}

* I usually select the Listening Mode Preset of all my sources by the one which is the primary one. My Oppo BR player source I think...is set to Direct.
So if I play a SACD it will be in that mode and if I play a Blu-ray it will automatically play Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA from that Blu-ray disc.

And the audio selection you make in your Oppo Blu-ray player is also very important, for the HDMI Audio Out (Bitstream or LPCM).
...And SACD Output (DSD or PCM) ► This one you have to experiment with and listen to the one you prefer (not so easy to do).

But anyway, that's the way...select presets (listening modes) in your Integra for all your sources. Try the one(s) you mostly use.
[And if still a popping noise, try a different one...Multich - PCM - DSD - Direct ...]
And experiment in your Oppo BR player for the best audio output with both the digital HDMI audio out, and SACD output audio.

A small clicking sound is normal, but a pop-up noise from your speakers can be remedied by what I just mentioned above.

Keep in touch on how you're doing.

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I have set to Direct mode and still have the same issue and I like to listen SACD in DSD mode because the sound it's better than PCM, if I change the OPPO to PCM mode it solves the problem but the quality it's no the same.
The Sony SCD XA5400ES I can't change,I think it going automatically and I have this issue with both units
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I have set to Direct mode and still have the same issue and I like to listen SACD in DSD mode because the sound it's better than PCM, if I change the OPPO to PCM mode it solves the problem but the quality it's no the same.
The Sony SCD XA5400ES I can't change,I think it going automatically and I have this issue with both units
I went to Audio Adjust, Direct, turn off the DSD Dac Direct and no more pop on the speakers
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I have set to Direct mode and still have the same issue and I like to listen SACD in DSD mode because the sound it's better than PCM,
if I change the OPPO to PCM mode it solves the problem but the quality it's no the same.
The Sony SCD XA5400ES I can't change, I think it going automatically and I have this issue with both units
♦ Ah! You have found the cause, with your Oppo 95.

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I went to Audio Adjust, Direct, turn off the DSD Dac Direct and no more pop on the speakers
♦ You eventually got there; I knew you would.

Happy music listening trail in 2016 ♪
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♦ Ah! You have found the cause, with your Oppo 95.



♦ You eventually got there; I knew you would.

Happy music listening trail in 2016 ♪
Thank you for your help.
I don't understand why I can't use DSD Dac, it's supposed to work without any issue right?
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♦ Ah! You have found the cause, with your Oppo 95.



♦ You eventually got there; I knew you would.

Happy music listening trail in 2016 ♪
Thank you for your help.
I don't understand why I can't use DSD Dac, it's supposed to work without any issue right?
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Thank you for your help.
I don't understand why I can't use DSD Dac, it's supposed to work without any issue right?
I'm not sure; every Blu-ray player is different...the Oppo 95 and the 105 are certainly different when it comes to DSD.
Also, not all the pre/pros handle the DSD audio signals equally the same.

So that's why the settings in both the BR player and the pre/pro are important.

* I think the newest Oppo BR player models (103 and 105) are better in regards to the latest in DSD audio signals...but I am not 100% certain.

The main thing is this (with your 95): Use the setting that works best (no pop-up noises from your speakers).
And for more/much better info and clarification, contact Bob Pariseau (and few other members too) in the dedicated Oppo 95 thread.
They'll tell you much more than I can. ...And in combination with your Integra pre/pro. But the DHC-80.3 handles the DSD audio signals without issues...@ least from my Oppo 103 BR model. I use PCM for the SACD Output, and I don't have issues with the DSD selection either.
In either selection, when I eject a SACD disc and put another one in the player, I have no pop-up noise coming out of my speakers.

That's about all what I can share with you @ this moment. But best is to share your issue in the Oppo 95 thread where the experts are going to tell you exactly what you need to know.

Cheers,
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I recently got this unit and am very pleased. I have it running right now in auto mode so it will pick my cable box up without having to turn the whole surround sound on. I get a small hdmi logo that stays on constantly. Is there away to turn this off? Not sure if the display on the integra will burn out after a while.
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I'm on my third 80.3 and they all have exhibited the same issue that you're speaking of with the popping in the speakers. That's why I returned my first one,the second one had the hdmi board go out, and my third is the factory refurb they swapped for my second one. I have tried different listening modes for mono, two channel source, etc under the set up menu and nothing has changed. I guess it's something I'll have to use to. I feel your pain.



Are you by chance using the Balanced outputs to the amp? I have an 80.2 and with my Proceed AMP5 the popping was so bad I'm sure it would destroy the speakers. Integra replaced twice and then gave me the choice to use RCA or get a refund. I have been using with RCA with no issues other than the annoying relay clicking with DirectTV.
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dhc 80.3 popping noise

When I first purchased the 80.3 I was using the rca connections to my adcom amps. Now that I have the mcintosh I am using the balanced connections, no changes with the popping. However, as I mentioned in earlier posts the noise only appears in the surround speakers. Thanks for your advise.
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new issue with 80.3

As stated in past post I'm on my third 80.3 and have a new issue with the unit and was wondering if someone else has experienced this or could help me troubleshoot. Please note my firmware is current. The issue I have now is I have a directv hr-24 connected and use the hdmi through feature on the pre/pro so I don't have to power it up when I just want to watch tv.if I leave the unit idle for a couple of days I'll loose audio only to the tv but still have video. I then have to reboot the 80.3 and everything works again. Any thoughts?
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As stated in past post I'm on my third 80.3 and have a new issue with the unit and was wondering if someone else has experienced this or could help me troubleshoot. Please note my firmware is current. The issue I have now is I have a directv hr-24 connected and use the hdmi through feature on the pre/pro so I don't have to power it up when I just want to watch tv.if I leave the unit idle for a couple of days I'll loose audio only to the tv but still have video. I then have to reboot the 80.3 and everything works again. Any thoughts?
HDMI board issues?

The rebooting and it working again for a while sound like classic issues


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HDMI board issues?

The rebooting and it working again for a while sound like classic issues


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I agree with Warren, very likely could be that -OR- I have seen my share to DirecTV HDMI HDCP issues, and this might be one of them. If that's the case, then it would not be the Onkyo causing the issue.....

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dhc80.3

Thanks for the info guys. My latest 80.3 is a factory refurbished unit that they traded me for the one that had the hdmi board fail. I will try setting my hdmi through from the hr-24 to my dvd and see if this issue occurs in that mode.
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Hi all we have been following the Audyssey 101 thread and setting up a DHC-80.3, it mentions that after Audyssey has run it best to turn off the following, Night Mode, Dynamic Range Compression, THX Loudness Plus, Dolby Volume and so on..

Can someone please tell up where Night mode, DRC and D.comp is? and anything else you feel might need turning off

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http://www.manualslib.com/manual/563...-Dhc-80-3.html

Turn the CEC off, the OSD off, everything off that is noisy and problematic to the picture and sound, every feature that you'll never need and use...turn them all off.
Leave Audyssey on, but turn Dyn. Vol. and Dyn. EQ off.

You can also experiment...if you have the time.
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I bought an Oppo 103D recently and am finally able to send the DSD bitstream into the 80.3 instead of having my previous Oppo DVD player convert to PCM (at 88.2) first. But checking the "info" button last night while playing an SACD it read "44.1" for the sample rate. Putting in a few more, they all say 44.1. Is that just a default sample rate the 80.3 displays or is it actually converting DSD to 44.1?
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Configure Your OPPO Player for DSF Playback and DSD Output

Native DSD files in DSF and DFF formats are supported by the BDP-10x series players (BDP-103, BDP-103D and BDP-105) with firmware version BDP10X-50-0422. Customers who purchased the players prior to the summer of 2013 may need to perform a free firmware update before the player can recognize DSF and DFF music files. For the latest firmware available, please visit the BDP-103 Support page.

DSD is not yet universally supported by all audio devices. Native DSD output can be obtained in two ways:

DSD Output via HDMI:

If your A/V receiver or audio processor supports native DSD, your OPPO player can send DSD signal over HDMI to the A/V receiver or audio processor. You should connect the HDMI 2 port of the BDP-103/105 player to your A/V receiver or audio processor since the HDMI 1 port does not transmit DSD signal. The following settings in the player's setup menu should be used:

• Playback Setup - SACD Priority: set to Multi-Channel or Stereo based on your preference
• Audio Format Setup - SACD Output: set to DSD or Auto (Auto is available for firmware version BDP10X-67-1120 or above)

The OPPO player will automatically convert DSD into PCM if it determines that a connected device does not support DSD. Usually your A/V receiver or audio processor will have an indication on its front panel showing whether the device is getting DSD signal.

DSD to Analog Output:

The internal DAC (Digital-to-Analog Converter) inside the OPPO player supports native DSD. You can connect the analog audio output of the OPPO player to your A/V receiver, audio processor or amplifer to get native DSD audio.

Please note that in DSD mode, the BDP-103 and BDP-103D do not offer volume control or variable output level. In this case you must provide a preamp/processor or A/V receiver to control volume before sending the signal to an amplifier. Only the BDP-105 can adjust the volume of native DSD signal. The following settings in the player's setup menu should be used:

• Playback Setup - SACD Priority: set to Multi-Channel or Stereo based on your preference
• Audio Format Setup - HDMI Audio: set to Off (This ensures that any connected HDMI device will not cause the player to convert DSD to PCM.)
• Audio Format Setup - SACD Output: set to DSD

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Does the player output SACD DSD?

Yes, when SACD Output is set to DSD.

DSD output is only available over the HDMI2 port. This is a hardware restriction: the HDMI transmitter in the Qdeo video processor that drives the HDMI1 port does not support DSD audio.
((( NOTE: ))) => (103/105 only; the 103D/105D players do not have this restriction).

If SACD Output is set to PCM you will get audio on both HDMI1 & HDMI2.

Conversion of the DSD content played off an SACD disc to PCM -- i.e., to go to the Analog DACs as PCM, or as digital HDMI LPCM output in the 103/105 -- results in LPCM 88.2KHz 24-bit.

[[[ Why not 176.4KHz when converting SACD to PCM?

[The hardware is capable of doing 176.4 and the licensing is not different. OPPO believes that 88.2KHz actually produces a better quality result for SACD DSD to PCM conversion. OPPO feels that even to offer 176.4 as an option would mislead people into thinking the higher rate must be better when that's simply not the case.

SACD players do not convert at a higher rate -- as measured at the Analog output. The process of producing Analog from DSD for SACD requires a 50KHz filter (just as exists in the OPPO's DACs when DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion is in effect), which is the equivalent of a 100KHz sampling rate limit (see Nyquist Limit). 88.2 is the highest multiple of 44.1 that does not exceed 100. ]]]
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What receivers accept DSD and convert it directly to analog?

See the list and discussion at List of AV Receivers & Pre/Pros with Pure DSD to Analog Processing.

http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-1...ctly-to-analog

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I'm using HDMI output 1 and the Integra says it's getting DSD. I'll try output 2 tonight to see if that makes a difference in the sample rate displayed. But I received an explanation from Oppo this morning by email and they didn't mention any particular output. The following is what they said:

"For One Bit Audio streams, the value indicated by the SF bits shall equal the ACR fS value. For Super Audio CD, the SF bits are typically set to 0, 1, 0, to indicate a Sample Frequency of 2.8224MSamples/s (i.e. 64*44.1kHz)."

This is due to 8-channels of audio being available through HDMI at 8 bits per channel at 44.1KHz. The end bandwidth is 2.8224Mbits/second, which equates to 2.8224M 1-bit audio.
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I'm using HDMI output 1 and the Integra says it's getting DSD. I'll try output 2 tonight to see if that makes a difference in the sample rate displayed. But I received an explanation from Oppo this morning by email and they didn't mention any particular output. The following is what they said:

"For One Bit Audio streams, the value indicated by the SF bits shall equal the ACR fS value. For Super Audio CD, the SF bits are typically set to 0, 1, 0, to indicate a Sample Frequency of 2.8224MSamples/s (i.e. 64*44.1kHz)."

This is due to 8-channels of audio being available through HDMI at 8 bits per channel at 44.1KHz. The end bandwidth is 2.8224Mbits/second, which equates to 2.8224M 1-bit audio.
The 103D (the one you have) is not restricted like the 103.
* The 103 you have to use the HDMI 2 Out for DSD, but the 103D works from both the HDMI 1 and 2 Outs (for DSD).

You don't need to try the Output 2, it'll be the same.

♦ And the Stereo layer of an hybrid SACD (with Audyssey engaged) would read 48kHz.
Then try without Audyssey.

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Thanks, Northsky, for the info. I hadn't tried a stereo only SACD yet to see what those read but I was expecting 44.1 due to the explanation from Oppo. I usually listen with PLIIx Music and Audyssey applied, using wide and rear speakers ... but that probably means the DSD to analog then has to go back to digital to be "Audysseyized" then back to analog again, yes?
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