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Would it be worth the $ to upgrade to say the 3009 or 5009 from my current Onkyo 807??? Just wondering if it would be a huge difference in audio improvement and it has the xt32!
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hey Joerod, can you ask your contacts at Onkyo whether they may add this feature via a firmware update. Thanks.
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Joerod, good to see you back, and perfect timing.

I don't suppose you would have a comparison of the 5008 and 3009. I've been holding out after selling my 905 a few months ago, and can't go without a receiver much longer.

It's either pick up a used 5008, or order a new 3009. Any information I can glean from you is appreciated.

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I would go for the 3009, being a newer genration AVR.
It might have no or at least less problems than the x008 series which has been plagued with some.
It does have everything needed for a higher end AVR and it is at least questionable, if there is any audible difference between a 500x and a 300x despite the feature differences stated.
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Joerod, good to see you back, and perfect timing.

I don't suppose you would have a comparison of the 5008 and 3009. I've been holding out after selling my 905 a few months ago, and can't go without a receiver much longer.

It's either pick up a used 5008, or order a new 3009. Any information I can glean from you is appreciated.

Definitely agree with gurkey. The 3009 with DTS NEO: X would be your best move. Nothing against the 5008 but I like this newer gen better.

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hey Joerod, can you ask your contacts at Onkyo whether they may add this feature via a firmware update. Thanks.

Definitely will.

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From reviewing the graphic at the foot of the CES 2011 Home Theater Neo:X infosheet, it seems to me that Neo:X includes|replaces Neural functionality when upmixing source content originally 2.0 thru 5.1.

Good catch! I would take Neo: X anyway...

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Definitely agree with gurkey. The 3009 with DTS NEO: X would be your best move. Nothing against the 5008 but I like this newer gen better.

Thank you. Well that makes up my mind, looks like the 3009 it is. I've had great luck with the last three Onkyo's I've owned (805, 875, 905), hopefully it continues. I guess I'm lucky I decided to stay away from the xxx7/8 series so I don't have quite the bad taste in my mouth as others do.

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Would it be worth the $ to upgrade to say the 3009 or 5009 from my current Onkyo 807??? Just wondering if it would be a huge difference in audio improvement and it has the xt32!

Anyone?
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Anyone?

Sorry. I missed this one.

Short/quick answer, HELL YES!

The 3009 has a noticeable difference over the 1009, 809 and 709. You will hear much more detail but just as importantly the Video Section is much more advanced. If you have the means... Run don't walk.

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Sorry. I missed this one.

Short/quick answer, HELL YES!

The 3009 has a noticeable difference over the 1009, 809 and 709. You will hear much more detail but just as importantly the Video Section is much more advanced. If you have the means... Run don't walk.

Thx for the response!! Now the question is it worth the $ to jump to the 5009 over the 3009??

The 5009 has the 192/32 DACS and also has a Toroidal Transformer.....think thats pretty much it besides the extra 5 watts per channel.

What are your thoughts?
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Thx for the response!! Now the question is it worth the $ to jump to the 5009 over the 3009??

The 5009 has the 192/32 DACS and also has a Toroidal Transformer.....think thats pretty much it besides the extra 5 watts per channel.

What are your thoughts?

IMO, you'd notice more difference by spending that amount on acoustic treatments.

Even driving 4 ohm speakers, I would have been hard pressed to do a blind comparison between my old 875 and 905 in the audio department.

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The only review i know of for the 5009 is from a German web-magazine http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2011/...x_nr5009.shtml.
You might try to use WebTrans or Auto-Translation from your browser to get some meaningful text, although the translation is quite crude sometimes this way. They finalized their rating for the 5009 with the verdict "Masterpiece", stating is has been the best AVR tested ever.
I still would assume, that the most bang for the buck comes from the 3009, because it share most of the features and design concepts of the 5009, but i am not certain about this, naturally.
If you can afford it, you still might go the 5009 way.
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Although I find it strange that Onkyo allows NEO to be 11.2 and DSX only has 9.2.

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All 11 at once?


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Although I find it strange that Onkyo allows NEO to be 11.2 and DSX only has 9.2.




Bump on this question.

From what I've gathered, it still isn't capable of running height and wide simultaneously with rear surround. Seems Denon is the lone ranger in that area.

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Front Wide + Front High together

From the manual:

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■Front High + Front Wide
��Yes:
The “Front High” and “Front Wide” settings
(➔ page 53) are automatically switched to
“80Hz(THX)” if they were set to “None”.
When the “Front High + Front Wide” setting is set
to “Yes”, the audio of front wide is output from the
SURR BACK terminals.
��No:
“Front Wide” is automatically switched to “None”.
Listening mode that make use of “Front High + Front
Wide” setting is as follows:
DTS Neo:X (Cinema/Music/Game), DTS Neo:X Cinema
+ THX Cinema, DTS Neo:X Music + THX Music, DTS
Neo:X Game + THX Games, Audyssey DSX (PLII +
Audyssey DSX included), Orchestra, Unplugged, Studio-
Mix, TV Logic, Game-RPG, Game-Action, Game-Rock,
Game-Sports, All Ch Stereo, Full Mono.
Note
• The “Front High + Front Wide” setting cannot be used if
“Speakers Type(Front)” is set to “Bi-Amp”.

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*2 If you use the front high and wide speakers at the same time, you need to set the “Front High + Front Wide” setting to “Yes”
(➔ page 52). The audio of front wide is output from the SURR BACK outputs.

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Front Wide + Front High together

From the manual:



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As we gathered. 11.1 still no go on the xxx9 series.

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Just got my 3009, I've run audyssey and I'm loving the xt32. One thing I've noticed is that DTS-MA tracks will output in 7.1 even though the encode is a 5.1 track. For TrueHD sources stay true 5.1 outputs as 5.1 and so forth. I used First encounters which has both DTS and Dolby 5.1 tracks and sure enough the DTS track outputs as 7.1 while the Dolby stays 5.1. Any reason for this? Please note I have set my receiver for a straight decode.

Update, it seems that any DTS source outputs in only 7.1 whether it's lossless or lossy.
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Yes, but do most really care with that massive number of speakers all around ?
At least Wide & High can be used at the samt time.If you move your surround side speakers to the back, you really won't realize, that there are no surround backs for this special case anymore. But the "virtual space" in front of you will improve quite a bit this way.

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Yes, but do most really care with that massive number of speakers all around ?
At least Wide & High can be used at the samt time.If you move your surround side speakers to the back, you really won't realize, that there are no surround backs for this special case anymore. But the "virtual space" in front of you will improve quite a bit this way.

I don't like the fact that you're sacrificying the SB to run both H+W together, for the encoded 7.1 sources you are replacing the discrete SB channels for basically a matrixed front channel.
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There seem to be different opinons about this.
Human hearing is much more sensitive to frontal sensations, whilst neglecting somewhat the soundfield behind, resulting in a lower resolution.
Even the current mixes favor the front channels most of the time, thus there is not much real dedicated information in the rear channels.
So i (and others obviously) don't think that there really is a loss of information involved, but some interpret this different.
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Does the 3009 still have the ridiculous relay clicks when switching between sources, TV channels, pausing a movie, moving to the next song on a connected music device, etc.?
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Can't tell, because i *never* had any relay clicking problems, as stated by some. This holds true for the follwing units, i owned before. 905, 875, 876, 5007
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Can't tell, because i *never* had any relay clicking problems, as stated by some. This holds true for the follwing units, i owned before. 905, 875, 876, 5007

Gurkey can you see if your having the same issues I have with 5.1 DTS sources outputing in only 7.1 with a straight decode.

I too don't have any clicks unless I go to stereo, Pure audio or Direct.
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There seem to be different opinons about this.
Human hearing is much more sensitive to frontal sensations, whilst neglecting somewhat the soundfield behind, resulting in a lower resolution.
Even the current mixes favor the front channels most of the time, thus there is not much real dedicated information in the rear channels.
So i (and others obviously) don't think that there really is a loss of information involved, but some interpret this different.

I certainly agree with you in this regard. I gleaned a ton of information about human hearing and perception when I delved heavily in to an SQ setup in my car. That being said; it's nice having the option to experiment being able to use SB and H/W at the same time. I want to eat my cake dangit.

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Do you guys think the 3009 would have enough power to push the Polk LSI 15's (4 ohm) in stereo and 5.1 set ups? Maybe even bi-amp them in 5.1? I haven't seen any reviews that measure the output in various set ups and I want to make sure I don't under power them. From what I've read it seems as if the new Pioneer Elite SC-57s put out very good power and can handle them.
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Do you guys think the 3009 would have enough power to push the Polk LSI 15's (4 ohm) in stereo and 5.1 set ups?

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Hey Joerod,

Can you please clarify whether you used 3009's internal amplication or external amplifiers for your review? Seems you have UPA-1 and Sherwood power amp. Can you please let me know how's Onkyo's internal amp compare to those? I'm actually considering to buy either Onkyo 5009 or Yamha RX-A3010 mainly for amping my KEF-900 speakers in stereo mode. And, I've considered getting either Emotiva or Sherwood as well.

I will highly appreciate your feedback. Thanks.
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Sorry, no.
All my gear (well, almost) is already moved into my new house and not (yet) functional.
It might take some time, till i am able of getting sound out of it.

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Gurkey can you see if your having the same issues I have with 5.1 DTS sources outputing in only 7.1 with a straight decode.

I too don't have any clicks unless I go to stereo, Pure audio or Direct.

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Hey Joerod,

Can you please clarify whether you used 3009's internal amplication or external amplifiers for your review? Seems you have UPA-1 and Sherwood power amp. Can you please let me know how's Onkyo's internal amp compare to those? I'm actually considering to buy either Onkyo 5009 or Yamha RX-A3010 mainly for amping my KEF-900 speakers in stereo mode. And, I've considered getting either Emotiva or Sherwood as well.

I will highly appreciate your feedback. Thanks.

I use the Receiver's outputs for all of my Reviews. Never my AMPs. I do however afterwards use the Receiver as a pre-pro since that is what I am used to. If I had to though I could be more than happy with the performance of the 3009 by itself. Of course then my rack would look bare!

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