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My old Denon 884 is dying. Besides I know need HDMI connections for xbox 360, blueray and my new hdtv. My speakers are Klipsch RF-3's w/ a klipsch RW-12d. My living room is fairly small. Airplay is important but not the second zone. Remote app is also desired. Watch a lot of streaming netflix, kid shows, and pandora music. Would also like the speaker set up to be easy which has me leaning towards the denon w/ audyssey mutlieq xt.

What sub $500 avr would you buy? I was about to buy the denon from EE but then found the Pioneer for under $500 on amazon... I have suffered product research creep, because my budget was approx $300, and now I have confused myself w/ features. LOL I wish work would pick up so I did not have so much free time...
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It is a moot point. The PIO is 20% larger than the Denon. It is to big for my cabinet. I could get it to fit but w/ my old avr which is a bit smaller than the PIO it is a tight fit w/ all the wires. It would be even harder the larger unit. thanks
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I would have gone with the Denon anyways for MultEQ XT.
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If you don't have room for proper ventilation I suggest you skip the larger receiver.

The Pioneer is 2" deeper but the width and height are similar to the Denon.

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Well hell, I was just going to call EE and I get an email from VANNS.com. They have a onkyo tx-nr709 open box for $460. It also has MultEQ XT and fits.

the depth is the issue w/ all the wire connections in the back...
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Newegg has had the Onkyo 370 for 499 at times which is basically the same receiver as the 709 less an HDMI output and couple other things. Worth a look if you would prefer new. The 370 has some advantages over the 2112 like preouts, thx, qdeo video proc. It does not have Airplay though.
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Newegg site says the 370 is discontinued and out of stock. I am ok w/ open box with full manufactures warranty. The 709 is more than I need but i want MultiEq xt and the 609 does not have that. airplay in the 2112 is cool but not sure how often i would use it since I can stream straight from my home server and pandora. Do not not need 7 hdmi or preouts but the analog up scaling and conversion in the 709 would be nice. I guess i should just get of the pot and get one just not sure which one. The onkyo appears to be at higher price point than denon 2112, more like the 2312 but at the 2112 level. is that right?
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The 709 has the advantage over the 2112 due to the preamp outputs, pc input, dual HDMI outputs, Audyssey DSX, Dolby Volume and QDEO video upscaler. And it is THX Select Plus certified if that matters.

The advantage of the Denon is the Airplay feature.

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Thanks. i think I will get the 709. I can always add airplay later if I ever get an ipad instead of my ipod.
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yep, you can get an Apple TV2.

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The 709 has the advantage over the 2112 due to the preamp outputs, pc input, dual HDMI outputs, Audyssey DSX, Dolby Volume and QDEO video upscaler. And it is THX Select Plus certified if that matters.

I believe that the 709 also has two HDMI outputs. But there's a lot of complaints about failure and bad customer service all over the Net Seems like a risky buy (for me at least: bad luck loves me). That's too bad because on paper it's a great deal.
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I believe that the 709 also has two HDMI outputs. But there's a lot of complaints about failure and bad customer service all over the Net Seems like a risky buy (for me at least: bad luck loves me). That's too bad because on paper it's a great deal.

It should occur to more people that "on paper" the Onkyo's a great deal because they are built badly and are much more likely than the Pioneers/Denons/Yamahas to have problems.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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All manufacturers have their ups and downs and Onkyo is no different. The x09 line run much cooler than the previous and have not shown the same failure rates. To say Onkyo receivers are poorly built is not fair as Onkyo amp sections are well-designed and preamp sections have measured better than some high-end receivers.
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first vote would be for RX-V671 for price mentioned at the Amazon

Great sound
preouts
6 HDMI in, 2 component
network DNLA control
Browser interface
Sweet fast easy to use GUI
zone 2

are what stand out as nice additions and the proven reliability history of Yamaha should be on your consideration list as well. Since I do not and will not need network control, I got it's baby brother instead the 667. I have an ancient HTR 5635 that is going on 10 years old and it is STILL kicking and it stays on all night while I sleep playing nice easy music

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All manufacturers have their ups and downs and Onkyo is no different.

That is probably true. But if the failures are widely publicized (e.g. both HDMI outs) and the customer service has a bad reputation, it is very difficult to see past that (again in my case: if I can get a lemon, I probably will).

I wish other receivers such as the Pioneer 2112 would have two HDMI outputs. While I do not need this now, this would be great future proofing (I bought my last receiver, a Sony STRDE835 nearly 15 years ago... I keep stuff).
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Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon and Onkyo all make receivers with dual HDMI outputs. You just have to purchase the right model.

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I wish other receivers such as the Pioneer 2112 would have two HDMI outputs.

There is no Pioneer 2112, I guess you mean Denon?

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Yes I meant the Denon, and I also meant other AVRs ~$500 re: the dual HDMI out.
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