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I was all set to purchase a Denon AVR-1712 this coming weekend. I was talking to a buddy about it and he mentioned that he will sell me his Denon AVR-4806 (not CI) for $400. My setup will consist of my 32" Samsung TV (to be upgraded later), Sony NSZ-GT1 Blu Ray player, Direct TV HDDVR and PSB Alphas, Center, and Minis for rear (and sub). This is purely my living room setup for watching tv and movies, I'm keeping my main audio rig.

I realize I'd be losing Audessey XT, but is there anything else that I'd be giving up or should I seriously consider the AVR-4806? I'd only be spending $100 more...

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The 4806 is a beast so I would have a hard time passing that up. It has MultEQ so I wouldn't mind missing out on XT to have a 53lb beast although I don't think it has Dynamic volume or Dynamic EQ so that would be the major drawback for me. I still don't think I could pass it up at that price.
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What are the benefits of Dynamic Volume and EQ? I'm wondering if it's something I'd miss since I'm starting this from scratch.
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As it turns out, the 4806 also includes XT although it is likely the original version. The 4806 is hands down the better built model and also includes analog --> HDMI upconversion, although HDMI 1.1 only so all HD audio would have to be decoded by the source and sent as PCM. The 1712 would also feature the newer Audyssey features Dyn EQ (boosts bass and surround audio for listening at below reference level volume) and Dyn Volume (taming loud commercials/explosions).

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Hmmm... my Blue ray player should handle that task... I could simply use the receiver for HDMI passthrough, correct?
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Correct. I just mention it as a matter of record that you'll have to set the BDP to PCM and not bitstream (ie. aka fat PS3). It's a tough call considering the difference in levels .. however, the Dyn EQ/Vol feature is a strong combo for lower volume listening. Ideally visit a Best Buy/Magnolia and buy the 1712 and demo alongside the 4806 if possible, returning the one you don't choose.

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i think I can live with that. This thing sounds incredible. For the small amount of time that I devote to movies I think I'd really enjoy it. I'll have to buy the setup mic but that's the only thing missing. Thank you both for your help. I'm sure I'll be back with post purchase questions!
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Correct. I just mention it as a matter of record that you'll have to set the BDP to PCM and not bitstream (ie. aka fat PS3). It's a tough call considering the difference in levels .. however, the Dyn EQ/Vol feature is a strong combo for lower volume listening. Ideally visit a Best Buy/Magnolia and buy the 1712 and demo alongside the 4806 if possible, returning the one you don't choose.

That's a great idea. I'm going to do that. I will borrow the 4806 for a demo and buy the 1712. Thanks for that.
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I was all set to purchase a Denon AVR-1712 this coming weekend. I was talking to a buddy about it and he mentioned that he will sell me his Denon AVR-4806 (not CI) for $400. My setup will consist of my 32" Samsung TV (to be upgraded later), Sony NSZ-GT1 Blu Ray player, Direct TV HDDVR and PSB Alphas, Center, and Minis for rear (and sub). This is purely my living room setup for watching tv and movies, I'm keeping my main audio rig.

I realize I'd be losing Audessey XT, but is there anything else that I'd be giving up or should I seriously consider the AVR-4806? I'd only be spending $100 more...

Any thoughts and comments would be appreciated.

Out of curiosity, where have you seen the 1712 for $300? I've only been able to find it for $399.
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Any Denon AVR can be purchased below MSRP by picking up the phone and "calling" one of several authorized Denon resellers to include AV Science, Electronics Expo, and J&R.

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Any Denon AVR can be purchased below MSRP by picking up the phone and "calling" one of several authorized Denon resellers to include AV Science, Electronics Expo, and J&R.

And that's exactly what I did! Electronics Expo was most helpful. ($305 incl shipping is what I was quoted... that was only $35 more than the refurb I was going to buy.)
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Since I have to buy the mic, my buddy has lowered the price of the 4806 to $380. I'm going to pick it up Friday and give it a whirl through the weekend. He has a huge room and a much more demanding system than I do, since this unit was his centerpiece; it's always impressed me (which is why he suggested I buy it.)
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Make sure you pick up a DM-5305 mic as the Audyssey mics are specific to certain models.

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Make sure you pick up a DM-5305 mic as the Audyssey mics are specific to certain models.

If I can be patient, I'll try to pick one up on Ebay for less than $35; otherwise, I found one on Buy.com for $50 (sigh)...
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Well, I had both receivers over the weekend and decided to go with the AVR1712. I just figured with the money I'm spending it's probably best to get one with a warranty, etc. The AVR4806 would be expensive to fix if anything goes wrong and financially this seemed to be the more sound decision. As far as I could tell, the 4806 seemed to deliver more "air" - it acted like it was barely getting started. The 1712 was no slouch either, but not quite in the same league quality-wise. I'm still very happy with what the 1712 does deliver, though. I was amazed at the 4806's flexibility for its age. Denon designed the heck out of it.
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Join us in the Denon XX12 Owner's thread linked in my sig ... especially reviewing posts 3-6.

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Join us in the Denon XX12 Owner's thread linked in my sig ... especially reviewing posts 3-6.

I've been lurking for weeks and have literally read the entire thread (and1/3 of the 1712 manual) - and I will STILL most likely have a bunch of questions when I'm totally set up... LOL
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