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post #1 of 21 Old 01-16-2012, 09:30 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi All,

I'm presently using Onkyo 886 and would like to upgrade to either a Pre/Pro or AVR with pre-out with XT32.

May I know the cheapest options?


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Did you really mean cheapest, or were you actually thinking LEAST expensive?
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The least expensive AVR's with XT32 I believe are (and the most popular):

Denon 4311 (MSRP $2,095)
Onkyo 3009 (MSRP $2,195)

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Another "cheap" option if you want room correction is the Anthem line. Starts at $1k and comes with ARC, which is supposedly as good or better than XT32.
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Another "cheap" option if you want room correction is the Anthem line. Starts at $1k and comes with ARC, which is supposedly as good or better than XT32.

"Supposedly" is the operative word here

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ARC IS Audyssey, is it not? Thought I read that it is based on it.

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Crap! Turns out there is another "ARC", used for music studios that is essentially Audyssey MulitEQ. Sorry for the brainfart.

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ARC is developed completely in house by Sonic frontiers (i.e Anthem)

They are not the same and ARC in my experience has done a better job. XT32 is better than the old Aud, but still not on the level of full ARC.

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Few people have compared the two systems in the same theater. There advantages to both.

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The ARC in the MRX line isn't full ARC, it uses less sampling, less processing power, and doesn't correct above 5k hz. Full arc is awesome, the limited version I think I'd prefer xt32, especially if I had multiple subs
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The ARC in the MRX line isn't full ARC, it uses less sampling, less processing power, and doesn't correct above 5k hz. Full arc is awesome, the limited version I think I'd prefer xt32, especially if I had multiple subs

True, but at least it comes with calibrated mics, supposedly of much better quality than the standard XT32 kit and it does use the processing power of a real computer. For multiple subs, I can see where XT32 could have an advantage. At 1k for the MRX300, pretty good deal, even if just using as a pre/pro.
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Few people have compared the two systems in the same theater. There advantages to both.

And therein lies the problem. This is what happens when a "fan boy" of either system starts touting the superiority of his favorite over the other.

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No its not worth it, users with xt32 AVRs still need to tweak it to be happy with the tone of there speakers.. Xt32 still not prefect for everyone..
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True, but at least it comes with calibrated mics, supposedly of much better quality than the standard XT32 kit and it does use the processing power of a real computer. For multiple subs, I can see where XT32 could have an advantage. At 1k for the MRX300, pretty good deal, even if just using as a pre/pro.

There we go with "supposedly" again

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There we go with "supposedly" again

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I haven't seen them myself, but everything I've read says the mics are of much better quality with ARC than basic XT32. The mics are individually calibrated, unlike the standard XT ones.
I'm not a fanboy of anything, just educating myself prior to upgrading my system.
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I wanted XT32 because of my dual subs but the 4311 was so much more than the 3311 that I had to stick with the 3311. I don't want an 08 series Onkyo because of the issues that they had so my plan is to get a 4311 once the 4313 is released. The price of the 4311 has already dropped some since I was looking at them in July but I still think it will go lower once the new models are out. If not, the 3009 should also get pretty cheap once the xx10 models are out. I have also looked at Anthems but I'm not sure which would be better for sound quality. I've heard people say that XT32 is better than the ARC on the MRX receivers and about even with the ARC on the pre-pros but that's just what I've heard. I really think it's impossible to know which one will work better for your system without just trying them both out. Its kind of like speakers, everybody likes different sound so there's no one room correction software that everyone thinks is the best.
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The mic is the same for all Audyssey auto setups. With Audyssey we all hoped for better, but it is what it is, take it or leave it.
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I recently made the jump from XT to XT32. I purchased an Integra DTR-70.2 and I'm thrilled what XT32 did, especially in the LFE department.

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The mic is the same for all Audyssey auto setups. With Audyssey we all hoped for better, but it is what it is, take it or leave it.

No true, if your receiver is pro capable, you can buy the kit that comes with an upgraded, calibrated mic and software to do the calculations on a computer.
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Marcus,
I've owned an Onkyo 886 for almost three years now and love it; However, i saw a factory reconditioned Onkyo Integra DHC-80.2 on sale at Audiogon for about 1/2 the msrp and decided to buy it only because it has Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and the 886 has MultEQ XT instead.
I imagine you are aware that MultEQ XT32 corrects the sound at 512 different "samples" per channel as well as offering two separate subwoofer outputs with the same amount of 512 different "sampling points" per subwoofer, compared to MultEQ XT which offers only 16 "signal samplings" per channel and 128 "samples" for a single subwoofer.
Therefore, EQ in both frequency and time domain using MultEQ XT32 is much more accurate and the in-room results should bear that out, and that is the only reason why i am substituting my beloved Onkyo 886 for the Integra DHC-80.2.
My suggestion is that you should keep checking for great online deals for an Onkyo 5508 or an Integra DHC-80.2, especially now that replacements for both models became available for sale and i imagine there will be quite a few owners trading in older models for newer models.
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No true, if your receiver is pro capable, you can buy the kit that comes with an upgraded, calibrated mic and software to do the calculations on a computer.

What will come with your denon 4311 is the same mic as the onkyo 509. So there you have it.. Yes the pro kit comes with a better mic at a much higher cost then most are willing to be forced to pay..
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