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post #91 of 238 Old 04-27-2012, 01:06 AM
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Got this from an Euro presentation.

After 922 it is just additional features compared to the model before.

VSX-422
- 5.1 with 130w
- 4/1 HDMI (3D and ARC)
- OSD (analog)
- Discrete Amplifier
- ControlApp
- Bluetooth Ready
- MCACC (Sound Calibration)

VSX-527
- 5.1 with 130w
- 6/1 HDMI (3D and ARC)
- iPod/iPhone/iPad digital direct
- Airplay / DLNA v1.5 / Internet Radio (vTuner)
- OSD with GUI
- Discrete Amplifier
- ControlApp
- Bluetooth ready w/AirJam (AS-BT200)
- MCACC (Sound Calibration)
- PC music file playback (up to 192KHz/24-bit)

VSX-827
- Same as VSX-527 but with 7.1

VSX-922
- 7.1 with 150w
- 6/1 HDMI (3D and ARC)
- iPod/iPhone/iPad digital direct
- Airplay / DLNA v1.5 / Internet Radio (vTuner)
- OSD with GUI
- Discrete Amplifier
- iControlAV2012 (remote)
- Bluetooth ready w/AirJam (AS-BT200)
- MCACC (Sound Calibration)
- PC music file playback (up to 192KHz/24-bit)
- Video converter & scaler 1080p 24Hz
- 2 x subwoofer outputs
- WLAN ready (AS-WL300)
- AVNavigator (PC & iPad)
- Zone 2 (Speaker out)
- PQLS Bit Stream

VSX-1122 - Same as above plus
- Hi-bit 24/96kHz
- 7/1 HDMI (3D and ARC)

SC-2022 - Same as above plus
- 4 Ohm Speaker Support
- Class D Amplifier
- Zone2 Subwoofer output
- Zone Audio Control
- 2012 Pioneer PC Setup

SC-LX56 - Same as above plus
- 8/2 HDMI (3D and ARC)
- Android with MHL
- Simple Overlay OSD
- Hi-bit32/96
- HDMI out for Zone4
- 4K2K Pass Through
- Wireless LAN
- THX

SC-LX76 - Same as above plus
- 8/3 HDMI (3D and ARC)
- DSD File Playback
- Hi-bit 32/192kHz
- Air Studios

SC-LX86 - Same as above plus
- USB-DAC
- 192k/32bit
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Awesome. First hand information is always better.. looks like I got a few things mixed up.
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Got this from an Euro presentation.
SC-2022 - Same as above plus
- Zone2 Subwoofer output
SC-LX56 - Same as above plus
- Simple Overlay OSD
- HDMI out for Zone4
- 4K2K Pass Through
- Wireless LAN
SC-LX76 - Same as above plus
- 8/3 HDMI (3D and ARC)
- DSD File Playback
SC-LX86 - Same as above plus
- USB-DAC
- 192k/32bit

there are a few cool features there, especially for multiroom setups.
LX76 and LX86 should add 9 amplified channels though, right?
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Awesome. First hand information is always better.. looks like I got a few things mixed up.

there are a few cool features there, especially for multiroom setups.
LX76 and LX86 should add 9 amplified channels though, right?

Actually from SC-LX56 and up its 9.2 channels
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Some European models added.

SC-LX56 - 7.2 - Not for the US market - 1499
SC-2022 - 7.2 - Not for the US market - 999

Class D
Dual HDMI out.
7.2 channels.
Digital Audio in/out - 2/0 coax - 3/1 optical

The SC-2022 replaces last year's VSX-2021 which was 1099 when released. Upgrade to class D and a 100 price drop.

Note that prices aren't directly translatable to US$, but it certainly indicates that the SC-1222 will be under the thousand dollar mark.

Also added Elite SC-65 to the list, 9.2 but no other information

I'd still be very surprised to see the SC-1222 for under $1000 MSRP. The 1121was $800 MSRP and we're moving to Class D Amps here. It also seems to leave quite a gap, price wise, until you reach the Elite. I still think we're looking at $1200 mark for the SC 1222.
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I'm curious does anyone know how the useful life of Class D amps compare to the standard A/B amps? I know most receivers are typically obsolete before they die but is there any difference to be expected?

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I'm curious does anyone know how the useful life of Class D amps compare to the standard A/B amps? I know most receivers are typically obsolete before they die but is there any difference to be expected?

I wouldn't be concerned. While there is some added complexity, that's made up for by running much cooler than class AB.

If I was just buying a power amplifier, maybe I'd think twice but most issues with modern AVRs aren't related to the power amplification and when it is it's often in large part to misuse, like putting the receiver in an enclosed TV cabinet without proper airflow or running it with low impedance speakers. Class D handles both those things better.

However, if it DOES go faulty, it'll likely be more expensive to repair.
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Actually from SC-LX56 and up its 9.2 channels

Interesting.. that would explain the price difference as well there.

9 channels for all the LX receivers. That makes for a clear distinction between the standard Pioneer line and the high-end LX models. But it doesn't leave many tangible differences between the 56/76/86.
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Hi, i use now the VSX 921 for iPod and Internet radio and want to know if the N30 or N50 would improve sound quality over the 921 when i use iPod and Internet radio through the N30-50 ?
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Does anyone know which one of these 2012 models has 7.1 analog inputs?
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Does anyone know which one of these 2012 models has 7.1 analog inputs?

The new SC-68(MRSP $2500.00) is the only 2012 Pioneer Elite with 7.1 analog inputs
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The 2012 Pioneer Elite line is now on Pioneers website

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...lite+Receivers
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Already some pictures from the new European/Japanese models in the SC-LX line ? Or VSX-LX line ?

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Guys I have what Im sure is a simple setting issue that I cant seem to figure out. I have a 1022 with four speakers (FR, FL, RR, RL) hooked up to it and a sub via the LFE port and all I want to do is duplicate a 2-channel stereo source (AirPlay, SqueezeBox, etc.) to both the front left and right and the rear left and right. I have no center and this set is just for music. How can I do this? What setting does the receiver need to be in?

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Already some pictures from the new European/Japanese models in the SC-LX line ? Or VSX-LX line ?

Pics from a couple models here:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2012/..._pioneer.shtml
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Some European models added.

SC-LX56 - 7.2 - Not for the US market - 1499
SC-2022 - 7.2 - Not for the US market - 999

Class D
Dual HDMI out.
7.2 channels.
Digital Audio in/out - 2/0 coax - 3/1 optical

The SC-2022 replaces last year's VSX-2021 which was 1099 when released. Upgrade to class D and a 100 price drop.

Note that prices aren't directly translatable to US$, but it certainly indicates that the SC-1222 will be under the thousand dollar mark.

Also added Elite SC-65 to the list, 9.2 but no other information

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I'd still be very surprised to see the SC-1222 for under $1000 MSRP. The 1121was $800 MSRP and we're moving to Class D Amps here. It also seems to leave quite a gap, price wise, until you reach the Elite. I still think we're looking at $1200 mark for the SC 1222.

It seems Enitime was closer on the mark as I believe the SC-61 will be the Elite equivalent of the SC-1222 judging by the specs and the SC-61 comes in at $1100 MSRP so under a $1000 sounds about right.

Interesting to look at the spec sheets for the 1121 and SC 61
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...le%20Sheet.pdf

Basically, the 1121 was THX certified... the SC 61 is not, not sure what impact on sound that would have. Also, the power output per channel is only offered at 8 ohm 1kHz which is 125 Watts for he SC 61 120 for the 1121. The SC-61 is also 4ohm capable where the 1121 is not.

Strangely enough connectivity would be down in some ways, the 1121 had optical out. Of course the SC61 has 12V triggers and 3 zone capability as oppose to 2 for the 1121. Given that I couldn't see the SC-1222 having triggers and probably no third zone capability. THX doesn't seem to be in the cards.

Of course the biggest difference is the amplifier section. Which opens up arguments for digital amped sound vs standard A/B sound...

What do you guys think?
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Has anyone purchased a VSX-1122 on this thread other than me and curious about your thoughts on it if you have.

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I use a VSX 921K recently after years of Onkyo use, the higher series like 3007 - 5008 and the Integra DTR 70.2.
This receiver works very well given its modest cost, a number of + points compared to Onkyo, but a few - points where the key is that the Internet Radio (vTuner) can not remember what the last used radio station was, and the user always must re indicate the wanted radio station after use :-(
Onkyo goes after the startup always to the last used internet radio station.

Is there a way to let the 921 do this also (go to the last used station) or is this a receiver software problem and needs to be corected with a software update ?
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I use a VSX 921K recently after years of Onkyo use, the higher series like 3007 - 5008 and the Integra DTR 70.2.
This receiver works very well given its modest cost, a number of + points compared to Onkyo, but a few - points where the key is that the Internet Radio (vTuner) can not remember what the last used radio station was, and the user always must re indicate the wanted radio station after use :-(
Onkyo goes after the startup always to the last used internet radio station.

Is there a way to let the 921 do this also (go to the last used station) or is this a receiver software problem and needs to be corected with a software update ?

None that I am aware of.

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Has anyone purchased a VSX-1122 on this thread other than me and curious about your thoughts on it if you have.

Hubertoliver,
I just upgraded from the VSX-816 to the VSX-1122

I have the Pio c21/fs51/bs21 speakers hooked up w/ a Bic F12 sub and both music and movie audio sound great. Internet radio and the ability to stream from my PC is really nice.
I just got it last Sat. so I haven't had much time with it yet but I'm loving it so far. No dedicated DVD or Blu-ray player yet, just watch DVD's via my Xbox 360 Slim but I did notice a big improvement it the PQ of a DVD I watched.

Still reading and learning what I can do with this thing.

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No dedicated DVD or Blu-ray player yet,

If I might suggest the new SONY BDP-S790 Blu-ray and it is very impressive. It also plays SACD's which sound great through the 1122.

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If I might suggest the new SONY BDP-S790 Blu-ray and it is very impressive. It also plays SACD's which sound great through the 1122.

Thank you I have been looking for 1 that does blu ray oops I see after rereading your post it is a Blu-ray player. Thanks again!

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was leaning towards buying a Marantz SR6006 or the Denon 3312 as I am upgrading my HT system. However after this preview I have decided that I am going to try the Pioneer SC 61.

So my speakers will be the Ascends Sierra Towers, with the SC 61. Just have not made up my mind if I should get a Emotiva XPA 3.

I gave my dealer a call today and my new receiver should get here within the next 4 weeks. It should definitely be an upgrade to my 10 year old Marantz, which surprisingly has never given me any trouble.
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was leaning towards buying a Marantz SR6006 or the Denon 3312 as I am upgrading my HT system. However after this preview I have decided that I am going to try the Pioneer SC 61.

So my speakers will be the Ascends Sierra Towers, with the SC 61. Just have not made up my mind if I should get a Emotiva XPA 3.

I gave my dealer a call today and my new receiver should get here within the next 4 weeks. It should definitely be an upgrade to my 10 year old Marantz, which surprisingly has never given me any trouble.

Amps and/or receivers from 10 years ago never gave any problems, its the receivers of today that can give problems, special the complicated versions with Internet, DNLA, HDMI ect. ect.
I have always kept a 15 years old JVC vertual 5.1 amp as a backup and it "saved" me 3 times in the last 6 years of modern receiver use.......
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well CBdicX...thats not so good news! I just bought my first AVR ( Pioneer VSX1022-k) and I hope to set up a HT system soon! I bought this item for $300 plus tax from Newegg.....I'm not a geek/audiophile but i want great if not excellent sounds from a low end system. Did I make a good purchase?....i still have 3 weeks to return if i need to...of course ill be checking all the info i can in the meantime!
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well CBdicX...thats not so good news! I just bought my first AVR ( Pioneer VSX1022-k) and I hope to set up a HT system soon! I bought this item for $300 plus tax from Newegg.....I'm not a geek/audiophile but i want great if not excellent sounds from a low end system. Did I make a good purchase?....i still have 3 weeks to return if i need to...of course ill be checking all the info i can in the meantime!

The 1022 is fine. I would suggest the 1122 though if you can afford the extra coin.

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The 1022 is fine. I would suggest the 1122 though if you can afford the extra coin.

I'll 2nd that ^ , the 1122 is awesome.

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well CBdicX...thats not so good news! I just bought my first AVR ( Pioneer VSX1022-k) and I hope to set up a HT system soon! I bought this item for $300 plus tax from Newegg.....I'm not a geek/audiophile but i want great if not excellent sounds from a low end system. Did I make a good purchase?....i still have 3 weeks to return if i need to...of course ill be checking all the info i can in the meantime!

Shure its a good buy and we all want a $3000 sound from a $300 receiver
Compared to amps from 10-15 years ago we do get a lot more for the same spend $ (or Euro in my case).
Speacial the Pioneer VSX 921 supriced me positive compared to my previous Integra DTR 70.2, a 1800 Euro receiver.
The 921 is faster on Internet, menus are better, video scaler is better, less audio modes but not a forrest of audio modes you will never use, ect. ect.
And this for 1/4 of the price of the Integra !!
So i say, to Pioneer...........
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The 1022 is fine. I would suggest the 1122 though if you can afford the extra coin.

hey hubertoliver/hyghwayman/CBdicx thanks for ur replies! I am lost n this area of AVR's! I really have no budget so I will DEFINATELY have a look at the 1122. As for speakers, the 'egg' has the pionneer fs51s @ $149/pr...and c21 @ $70. I like the price point of these n relation to all of the great user reviews! Should i pull the trigger or wait till the newest pioneer speaker models arrive online n May or so?!! I am n NO big hurry to get this all together...like everyone i want the 'best bang' for my buck!
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hey hubertoliver/hyghwayman/CBdicx thanks for ur replies! I am lost n this area of AVR's! I really have no budget so I will DEFINATELY have a look at the 1122. As for speakers, the 'egg' has the pionneer fs51s @ $149/pr...and c21 @ $70. I like the price point of these n relation to all of the great user reviews! Should i pull the trigger or wait till the newest pioneer speaker models arrive online n May or so?!! I am n NO big hurry to get this all together...like everyone i want the 'best bang' for my buck!

The Pioneer speakers you are mentioning have had great reviews and right now may be a good time to purchase them as stores will be discounting them to get ready for new model inventory. Don't forget to budget for rear surrounds and a powered subwoofer.

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I currently have the Pioneer 1021. I use it as a 5.1 setup and the surround backs are hooked up to a speaker selector and 2 sets of speakers outside. I feel that the outside setup is underpowered. The reason I am not using the zone 2 is because I can't watch tv inside and have someone listen to something different outside.
I am looking to upgrade and considering 2 avrs: sc61 or sc65. The sc61 is much better priced. Can you guys comment on what you think would be a better setup and whether the extra $500 is worth going with sc65
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