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Old 02-07-2012, 06:51 AM - Thread Starter
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VSX-322 - 5.1 - €220 Not for the US market
VSX-422 - 5.1 - €300 Not for the US market
VSX-522 - 5.1 - $250 / €400
VSX-527 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 5.1 -
VSX-822 - 5.1 - $380 / €450
VSX-827 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 5.1 -
VSX-922 - 7.1 - €550 Not for the US market.
VSX-1022 - 7.1 - $450
VSX-1027 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 7.1
VSX-1122 - 7.2 - $600 / €650
VSX-1127 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 7.2

Elite VSX-42- 7.1 - $450
Elite VSX-60 - 7.2 - $650

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SC-1222 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 7.2
SC-1227 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 7.2
SC-1522 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED
SC-2022 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 7.2 - €999 - Not for the US market.

SC-LX56 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 7.2 - €1499 - Not for the US market.
SC-LX76 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 9.2 - Not for the US market.
SC-LX86 - NOT YET ANNOUNCED - 9.2 - Not for the US market.

Elite SC-61 - 7.2 - $1100
Elite SC-63 - 7.2 - $1300
Elite SC-65 - 9.2 - $1600
Elite SC-67 - 9.2 - $2000
Elite SC-68 - 9.2 - $2500

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UPDATE - OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT OF 2012 RECEIVERS

VSX-522 - VSX-822 - VSX-1022 - VSX-1122

Official Pioneer USA 2012 Receivers

Elite VSX-42 - VSX-60 - SC-61 - SC-63 - SC-65 - SC-67 - SC-68

Official Pioneer USA 2012 Elite Receivers



----- OLD UNCONFIRMED INFORMATION BELOW -----

As information is starting to appear about the Pioneer 2012 lineup, I thought I'd start a thread. So far I've only seen things about the lowest (most places) entry-level receiver, but you have to start somewhere, right?

So here's what's up with the VSX-522, compared with the previous year's VSX-521. Some pretty radical changes.. the back panel of this thing looks EMPTY.

CONNECTIVITY:

Speakers : 5 channel amplifier. Same as last year. Banana for fronts, clip for center and surrounds. Nothing surprising. 20-20kHz 8Ω 0.08% THD - 80+80W - 1kHz 6Ω 1% THD - 140 wpc.

Pre-out : 1+2 - subwoofer as well as back surround OR height but not both. Same as last year.

HDMI : 4 in, 1 out - Same as last year. Seems about right for the bottom rung receivers. If you have more than four devices to hook up, it's time to stop looking at the lowest level AVRs.

Component : - GONE. Last year it was 2 in, 1 out. Was bound to happen eventually. Everything bought in the last five years has hdmi.. no one really uses component anymore. The analogue sunset is here.

Composite : 2 in, 1 out - Was 4 in, 2 out.

Front mini portable / MCACC port - now MCACC only, no combined 3.5mm stereo input.

Stereo RCA : 3 in 0 out - Was 6 in, 2 out. Down, but you don't need that many anymore.

Coax digital : 1 in, 0 out. Same as last year, these aren't that common compared to optical anyway.

Optical : 1 in, 0 out - Down from two last year. This feels stingy, most people don't have a set with ARC and need this for their TV audio. Which leaves zero free optical audio ports.

Radio : FM/AM - Same.

Bluetooth Adapter port : GONE. I don't know if anyone used this with a 5xx receiver since the dongle was almost as expensive as the receiver itself. The optimistic implication of this is that the adapters will disappear from the 2012 range and be built in. Or perhaps more likely use USB instead on the higher models.

USB port : 1 front. - New for this year. Plays mp3/aac/etc and is Made for iWhatever so it will use the receiver remote to control and OSD to display information. Cool but lame since there's no HDMI upscaling and will only be available over composite with the 1980s GUI the VSX-5xx units have been stuck with. Still, this is a feature that most people would use.

New features:
HDMI STANDBY THROUGH;
So your receiver can be off but still funnel the cable box to your TV. You get the choice of displaying the last thing used when the AVR was switched on, or one specific HDMI input selected in options. Nice addition.


So, summing up..

I/O options SLASHED - not counting speaker outputs they've literally cut the number of connectors by HALF. Analogue is gone.
More ipod-friendly.
Cosmetically identical to last year as far as I could tell.
Still no OSD over HDMI.
MCACC room correction - microphone included.

Seems like a price cut is in order.
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:17 PM - Thread Starter
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I got a little bit more information on other models. The models listed are 522,822,1022. No 922, so that might be discontinued? The non-US models didn't differ much between the 9xx and 10xx anyway.

VSX-822
Speakers : 5 channel amplifier. All banana connectors. No Zone B.

Pre-out : 1+2 - subwoofer as well as back surround OR height but not both. Same as last year.

HDMI : 6 in, 1 out - All on the back. Up from 4 inputs last year.

Component : - GONE. Was 2 in, 1 out.

Composite : 2 in, 1 out - Was 5 in, 2 out.

Stereo RCA : 3 in 0 out - Down from 6 in, 2 out.

Coax digital : 1 in, 0 out. Same as last year.

Optical : 1 in, 0 out - Down from 2 in

Radio : FM/AM + internet Radio.

USB+Composite for ipod

Bluetooth 5V adapter is there on the 822 and 1022, so I spoke too soon in the previous post.

Summing up VSX-822
Analogue is gone.
More ipod-friendly.
Cosmetically identical to last year as far as I could tell.
Still no OSD over HDMI.
Added internet connectivity.
Removed Zone B.
Removed Sirius radio.
Removed front composite+stereo - is now ipod USB+composite.
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I got a little bit more information on other models. The models listed are 522,822,1022. No 922, so that might be discontinued? The non-US models didn't differ much between the 9xx and 10xx anyway.

VSX-822
Speakers : 5 channel amplifier. All banana connectors. No Zone B.

Pre-out : 1+2 - subwoofer as well as back surround OR height but not both. Same as last year.

HDMI : 6 in, 1 out - All on the back. Up from 4 inputs last year.

Component : - GONE. Was 2 in, 1 out.

Composite : 2 in, 1 out - Was 5 in, 2 out.

Stereo RCA : 3 in 0 out - Down from 6 in, 2 out.

Coax digital : 1 in, 0 out. Same as last year.

Optical : 1 in, 0 out - Down from 2 in

Radio : FM/AM + internet Radio.

USB+Composite for ipod

Bluetooth 5V adapter is there on the 822 and 1022, so I spoke too soon in the previous post.

Summing up VSX-822
Analogue is gone.
More ipod-friendly.
Cosmetically identical to last year as far as I could tell.
Still no OSD over HDMI.
Added internet connectivity.
Removed Zone B.
Removed Sirius radio.
Removed front composite+stereo - is now ipod USB+composite.

Other than analogue sunset insired 'changes', reduced support for legacy devices, and more convenience for HDMI users and with iDevices (whatever that means), this sounds like Pioneer is trying to compete better against lower end 'value' AVRs by dropping a few features few people use (Sirius radio). Cutting the number of AVRs/price points in the line makes some sense, though.

It take it there's no news about Elites yet. Do you have a link? Hopefully Pioneer isn't doing similar reductions on the Elite lines while leaving MCACC unable to compete with other manufacturer's room correction that equalizes subs.

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Old 02-15-2012, 01:32 AM - Thread Starter
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Cutting the number of AVRs/price points in the line makes some sense, though.

Well I don't know that for sure. It's just odd that the three models mentioned skipped the 922. The 1022 was just mentioned incidentally when differences between models was noted, ie "Internet radio on the 822 and 1022, but not 522"

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It take it there's no news about Elites yet. Do you have a link? Hopefully Pioneer isn't doing similar reductions on the Elite lines while leaving MCACC unable to compete with other manufacturer's room correction that equalizes subs.

No public link, sorry.
Last year the 521/821 5.1 channel amps had information released in Mid-late January, the 921/1021 in mid February. So they're a few weeks behind this year. The first Elite was April.

I think anything above the 1022 (and 922 if available) would still have component inputs as they've had analogue-to-digital upscaling and decent OSD the past few generations so they need the processing anyway.
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Im going to be furious if the 1022 doesnt offer component. I would hope in the midline products they would consider people own Wii's and would appreciate the increased quality of 480p vs 480i.

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The 1022 is mostly similar to the 822 except for the following:

VSX-1022
1 component input. No component output, just upconverted to hdmi.
OSD on HDMI Setup menu over HDMI, not just analogue.
9 speaker outputs (7 channel amplified - surround back OR height, but not both - they have separate speaker connectors).
Zone 2 - stereo audio - multichannel inputs are downmixed. I think that might be new. Did the 1021 allow digital inputs on zone 2 or just analogue?
Pre-out - subwoofer only.
520W (450W for VSX-822)
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Ok, I double-checked and that is a new feature.

Zone 2 now downmixes digital inputs to stereo, whereas previously you were restricted to analogue inputs for the second zone. Which is good since there's hardly any analogue inputs left to use anyway, certainly not enough to double up with extra cables from units to get multi-room functionality. With ARC and the new zone 2 digital processing, for once you actually can use a single HDMI lead per machine without losing some of the features.

The 1022 seems like a decent receiver to me. A single component input seems stingy, but how many legacy video units do people have anymore? It also seems like there's been some costs cut, so hopefully the retail pricing will reflect that.

I don't think information on any more units will be coming for a while. Next up should be the low-end Elites, maybe an 1122. Which, presumably, would have some more high-end features like RS232, IR in/out, triggers, pre-outs, etc.
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I still want my component. I have not come across a cable box yet that was not twitchy using HDMI.
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I still want my component. I have not come across a cable box yet that was not twitchy using HDMI.

Good point. Cable companies are a bit weak like that, DHCP issues aren't uncommon here in Australia.

VSX-1122 seems to be coming out around the same time as 522,822,1022.

Don't know much about that one yet.

Digital audio is down from 2 coaxial in / 3 optical in / 1 optical out on the 1121 to 2/2/0 respectively.

Same as before:
6 /1 HDMI
9.2 pre-outs (7.2 actual - surround back OR height)
9 speaker outputs (7 channels amplified)
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Do you know when they are going to announce these new receivers?
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Do you know when they are going to announce these new receivers?

Last year's models were announced March 8th, 2011.

It should be fairly soon.
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The 1022 is mostly similar to the 822 except for the following:

VSX-1022
1 component input. No component output, just upconverted to hdmi.
OSD on HDMI.
9 speaker outputs (7 channel amplified - surround back OR height, but not both - they have separate speaker connectors).
Zone 2 - stereo audio - multichannel inputs are downmixed. I think that might be new. Did the 1021 allow digital inputs on zone 2 or just analogue?
Pre-out - subwoofer only.
520W (450W for VSX-822)

Osd or gui?
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Osd or gui?

Right, sorry.

I was referring to GUI setup over HDMI instead of just over analogue, as is the case with the lower models.

Not information/volume overlay, I haven't seen anything about a feature like that.
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Got some more info.
1022 has 7 x 80W (same as 921, which suggests that 1022 is replacing the 921)
1122 has 7 x 90W (same as 1021, which suggests that 1122 is replacing the 1021)

So to summon, looks like there will be no real 1121 replacement.
Maybe they try to match Europe as there is no 1121 here.
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Also got some prices.
1022 MSRP: $479.99
1122 MSRP: $649.99
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Got some more info.
1022 has 7 x 80W (same as 921, which suggests that 1022 is replacing the 921)
1122 has 7 x 90W (same as 1021, which suggests that 1122 is replacing the 1021)

So to summon, looks like there will be no real 1121 replacement.
Maybe they try to match Europe as there is no 1121 here.

Maybe Pioneer is concerned that the 1121 is cannibalizing Elite sales since it is largely viewed as equivalent to the Elite 52.
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Found more/new 1122 info on the web:

7.2 Ch Network A/V Receiver with Marvell QDEO 1080p scaler
7 X 120 watts (840 total)
3D ready (7 HDMI in/1 out)
4K2K pass-through
Apple AirPlay & HTC Media Link
Advanced MCACC room tune
Phase control plus

$599

Expected March 2012
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This also suggests that there will not be a 922.
http://upnp.org/product/833
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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...news&tag=title

No pre-outs on any non-elite models. I think i'll continue to hold on to my 1018.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...news&tag=title

No pre-outs on any non-elite models. I think i'll continue to hold on to my 1018.

seems to me the 1121 as we know it today is now gone. The 1021 is really replaced by the 1122. i would guess the 1121 was cannibalizing elite's sales.
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There will be another model above the 1122... Hang tight....
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There will be another model above the 1122... Hang tight....

is the 1122 really a refreshed 1021? looks that way at the moment.
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There will be another model above the 1122... Hang tight....

Any news about the SC line? Particularly addressing some of the suggestions/areas some of us made on the 55/57 thread......good to hear from you again though.

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There will be another model above the 1122... Hang tight....

I hope so, that 1122 looks very disappointing compared to last years model.

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kinda strange that these brands throw new AVRs every damn year...
what`s the purpose, though?
I guess the VSX-1121 is still and definitely the best choice for an AVR if you don`t fancy paying a 1000+ bucks for something "a little better"...

@walkamo: Hey Chris, how about some FW updates for the problematic Pio BDPs, finally..?
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I hope so, that 1122 looks very disappointing compared to last years model.

Please note that the 1122 will sell for $599.. The 1121 sold for $749.00.

I think everyone will be happy with the higher end Pioneer models.....
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kinda strange that these brands throw new AVRs every damn year...
what`s the purpose, though?
I guess the VSX-1121 is still and definitely the best choice for an AVR if you don`t fancy paying a 1000+ bucks for something "a little better"...

@walkamo: Hey Chris, how about some FW updates for the problematic Pio BDPs, finally..?

BDP-53FD firmware was made available yesterday......
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BDP-53FD firmware was made available yesterday......

true...
however that`s a tiny one, solving PQLS drop-outs issues, AFAIK...
take a look at the 2011 Pio BDPs thread sometimes, people are still pretty upset of Pioneer`s attitude to the additional and, sadly, more severe issues these players still have...
we still don`t have damn tracks/chapters on display for God`s sake..
and your EU colleagues wrote me at least 5 emails about this, apologizing for "Japanese engineers`delays"...
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Any news about the SC line? Particularly addressing some of the suggestions/areas some of us made on the 55/57 thread......good to hear from you again though.

so far - looks like the same MCACC

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Just received official Pioneer USA "2012 Offiical Family Of Receiver" web listing:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...neer+Receivers

Pretty impressive line for the price I think. It's amazing what you get in the VSX-1122K for $599.99
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