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I am looking for a receiver for what will be my first home theater. I figured getting the Take Classic 5.1 and a receiver would be a better route than a HTIB.

I have read a lot about MultEQ on this board and most feel it is a significant upgrade over DynamicEQ. My dilemma is that the Onkyo 709 is substantially more than the 609 or RC360. I was hoping to land around the $300 price point. Will MultEQ still make a big difference with these entry-level speakers? is the 110W on the 709 too much for the 100W Take Classics? I am also open to exploring Denon options but the one that caught my eye was the 2112 and that is also above the price I was shooting for. Getting an ethernet connection and MultEQ are preferable and it seems to get both it might be a requirement to step up to the $450 price range. Any suggestions?

Other features that I have my eye on:

Zone 2 - will possibly expand in short term future
USB - MP3 player plug in
Passthrough - would like to be able to watch TV without using receiver
Upconversion - I have first generation XBox 360 w/o HDMI, would like to have single TV connection if possible
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Sounds like you want the additional features, so why not spring for the higher priced models? The difference in price is modest and, when amortized over the life span of the component, will be probably be worth it. You'll be happier in the long run and won't be wishing you'd gotten the extra features to begin with! Good luck.
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Well, my thinking was that a lower priced model would have everything I need but MultEQ. Given that I'm not an audiofile I thought that might be the best way to go. I'm also interested in other suggestions for receivers I may not have thought of.
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In comparison, owners of the Denon 1312 which uses no Audyssey at all are very pleased, so upgrading to an AVR with even the lowest level of Audyssey 2EQ (eg. Onkyo 609) will still be an improvement over no Audyssey at all. Go with what your budget can afford.

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Any other pointers? I'm at a crossroads because I'm not sure I'm understanding all of the differences in the models I'm looking at and I don't want to waste money on unnecessary features for my needs. These are the AVRs I've been eyeing but I'm open to others:

Denon 1712, 1912, 2112
Onkyo 609, 709 (110W/channel > 100W suggestion for Energy Take Classics?)

Desirable Features:
- Audio configuration (e.g. Audyssey but not sure what XT adds, Is Audyssey better than what is on the Pioneers?)
- Simple firmware upgrades, don't want to ship to service center (networking? USB?)
- 5.1 with zone 2 capablility
- Run single HDMI cable to TV (connecting XBox 360 via component, cable box and Bluray via HDMI).
- Passthrough so I can watch TV without speakers on
- Return audio since TV has integrated apps like Netflix
- Budget < $400
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Current and past year non-networking Denon AVRs (eg. 1712) cannot be firmware upgraded by the user and must be sent to a repair facility. However, the new XX13 models (May/June release) will be firmware updateable via USB just as with the Onkyo AVRs.

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Current and past year non-networking Denon AVRs (eg. 1712) cannot be firmware upgraded by the user and must be sent to a repair facility. However, the new XX13 models (May/June release) will be firmware updateable via USB just as with the Onkyo AVRs.

Thanks, that rules one of my options out. What are the major differences between the 1912 and 2112? I read the big thread about the different Denon models and based on my criteria it didn't seem like the 2112 was necessary for my needs.
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The "big" thread post #2 pretty much tells you the differences ... and as noted in that post, the 2112CI is the better option for minimal increase in cost.

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Well, despite the fact that the price difference is only $100 (MSRP, not sure of street price difference) these are my thoughts on the extras.

- I don't know what improvements come with MultEQ XT. Being a noob to the HT scene I likely will not notice the difference but if I knew more about XT that would help.
- The extra year of warranty is nice but it's not worth $100 IMO.
- I am unlikely to need to save config files, once I get everything configured I will not make frequent changes unless I run into issues
- Don't need preouts
- Don't need serial port
- Don't need IR jack

Unless there are other benefits to the 2112 that I didn't list above I think the 1912 would be better for me since I'll save a little money.

I have a pretty good grasp of Denon models thanks to that thread. I wish there was a similar one for the Onkyo models.
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Well, despite the fact that the price difference is only $100 (MSRP, not sure of street price difference) these are my thoughts on the extras.

- I don't know what improvements come with MultEQ XT. Being a noob to the HT scene I likely will not notice the difference but if I knew more about XT that would help.
- The extra year of warranty is nice but it's not worth $100 IMO.
- I am unlikely to need to save config files, once I get everything configured I will not make frequent changes unless I run into issues
- Don't need preouts
- Don't need serial port
- Don't need IR jack

Unless there are other benefits to the 2112 that I didn't list above I think the 1912 would be better for me since I'll save a little money.

I have a pretty good grasp of Denon models thanks to that thread. I wish there was a similar one for the Onkyo models.

The difference in street price between the 1912 and the 2112 was $10 when I shopped for my brother-in-law less than 2 months ago, I'd call Electronics Expo and J&R Electronics and see what they can do for you. I have seen a couple of posts with the street price on the 2112 as low as $439 shipped from an authorized reseller. If its still a $10 delta thats a no-brainer for the 2112.

Edit: The 2112 doesn't have preouts either, only the 3312.
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