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It seems "2112 is Sold Out" in EE.

seanthome: Please let me know the dealer. Kindly PM me.
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It seems "2112 is Sold Out" in EE.

seanthome: Please let me know the dealer. Kindly PM me.

OneCall has them at $430 shipped and in stock listed on their site (maybe less with a phone call, but IDK). Not bad as last week they were just under $500.

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I asked for Denon 2112.
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I was asking seanhome which dealers had this price.

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I wonder what the power consumption will be for the new model? It now has a "scaler", and to me that's a problem if you don't need one. Because for the 2012 models the ones with the scaler (2312CI and 3312CI) used significantly more power than the lower-end models.
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You're talking pennis a month I bet, doubt it would matter a whole lot. Even if it cost you 50 cent - $1 extra a month would that bother you?

The 2312CI and 3312CI have a more robust amp section and likely a larger power suppy. The power rating is 105W per channel vs 90W for the 1712 and 1912.

The Denon AVR 1911 has an Anchor Bay scaler and consumes 460W while the Denon AVR 1712 and 1912 do not have a scaler and consume the same 460W. So I don't think the scaler is the issue.

The new AVR 1913 also uses 460W and has a video scaler. I think your worry is a non issue.

The higher end models use more power because they have better amp sections and better feature sets. I'd want that in my receiver!

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I wonder what the power consumption will be for the new model? It now has a "scaler", and to me that's a problem if you don't need one. Because for the 2012 models the ones with the scaler (2312CI and 3312CI) used significantly more power than the lower-end models.

Why? If you don't use the scaler (as many don't) you can simply turn it OFF.

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Your chance for a 2112 may be running out. EE and J&R are both out of stock. The sales rep stated they wont be getting anymore in stock. 2113 in stock at J&R. However, you can get a 2312 like I did for 99 cents cheaper that that new 2113. 2113 is $499.00 at J&R. I asked how many was in stock and they have at least 100 in stock, so the price may get lower yet.
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Why? If you don't use the scaler (as many don't) you can simply turn it OFF.

I don't know if Denon will be "smart" when things are turned off. Do they reduce power or do they just not use the functionality? E.g. the 2312 is noticably warmer just idling (in a showroom) than the 2112.

It's really the power issue that bugs me. No AVR will draw 460 W continuous. But in my town just 1 W of power on 24/7 is $1 per year. So if the AVR draws another 40 W that's another $40 per year. So what? Well, I have 4 TiVo HDs, each over 40 W, that's $160 per year right there. I've got so many UPSes, computers, wall warts, game consoles, etc., that my power bill is ridiculous. Plus my utility uses a lot of coal and natural gas, so there's all the carbon emission nonsense. Etc.

I love high tech toys, I just think we need to be a lot wiser about how much electricity they all use.
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Your chance for a 2112 may be running out. EE and J&R are both out of stock. The sales rep stated they wont be getting anymore in stock. 2113 in stock at J&R. However, you can get a 2312 like I did for 99 cents cheaper that that new 2113. 2113 is $499.00 at J&R. I asked how many was in stock and they have at least 100 in stock, so the price may get lower yet.

So if I can get a 2113ci for $499, or a 2112ci for $430, is there any reason why I wouldn't just get the newer model? I don't really care about the scaler, so then the differences are really losing AM radio but gaining a better GUI and Airplay for zone 2? Has anyone seen the GUI for the xx13 models? I wonder how much better they are than the xx12 models. I do like the way the new models look.
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Although Denon USA has yet to publish the "CI" model owner manuals, you can download the 2113 Europe model manual from the Denon UK site to get an idea of the GUI --> http://www.denon.co.uk/uk/Product/Pa...ductId=AVR2113

Also, you can review the major differences between the XX12 and XX13 models in post #1 of the XX13 Owner's thread here ---> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1409431

Which you choose is based on what features/inputs/outputs you need. Note however, that what you gain in the 2113CI is "independent" Airplay to Zone 2 as Airplay can still play to Zone 2 on the 2112CI as well, however, it's also got to be selected in the main zone too.

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I don't know if Denon will be "smart" when things are turned off. Do they reduce power or do they just not use the functionality? E.g. the 2312 is noticably warmer just idling (in a showroom) than the 2112.

It's really the power issue that bugs me. No AVR will draw 460 W continuous. But in my town just 1 W of power on 24/7 is $1 per year. So if the AVR draws another 40 W that's another $40 per year. So what? Well, I have 4 TiVo HDs, each over 40 W, that's $160 per year right there. I've got so many UPSes, computers, wall warts, game consoles, etc., that my power bill is ridiculous. Plus my utility uses a lot of coal and natural gas, so there's all the carbon emission nonsense. Etc.

I love high tech toys, I just think we need to be a lot wiser about how much electricity they all use.

In a showroom, the AVRs are generally ON and not in Standby and on average a 2112CI or 2312CI will draw about 80W in idle and 100W at reference volume. As you noted, the video card on the 2312CI produces a lot more heat then no card in the 2112CI.

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Your chance for a 2112 may be running out. EE and J&R are both out of stock. The sales rep stated they wont be getting anymore in stock. 2113 in stock at J&R. However, you can get a 2312 like I did for 99 cents cheaper that that new 2113. 2113 is $499.00 at J&R. I asked how many was in stock and they have at least 100 in stock, so the price may get lower yet.

The 2112 really hit my sweet spot but now, those that still have them in stock aren't discounting them as much as before. Calling around, the best I can find is mid-400's shipped. May have to step up to the 2312 or down to the 1712...not sure how much I would use the networking anyway.

Anyone know where to get the 2112 with a price starting with a 3?? Or the 1712 near the mid-$200's?
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