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The soon to be released PT7020C4 and the PT7030 sound somewhat similar spec wise (minus Control4). If you look at the rear panel of Emotiva's UMC-1 you will see a similarity to rear panel of the PT7020C4. It looks like the PT7020C4 and the PT7030 will use Cirrus/Sherbourne room calibration and loudspeaker setup system. Sounds like Emo-Q to me.

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It looks like the PT7020C4 and the PT7030 will use Cirrus/Sherbourne room calibration and loudspeaker setup system. Sounds like Emo-Q to me.

I hope not. The press release I got implied otherwise but I am looking into it.

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They get better everyday at announcing new products,
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I hope not. The press release I got implied otherwise but I am looking into it.

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I was going off the PT7020C4 brochure (under features) from the Sherbourne site for that information. It looks like both the PT7020C4 and the PT7030 will both have the same Cirrus chip set by the product description sheets. I could be wrong on this though.

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I am hoping this means what I want it to mean:
"Designed with the high-end installer in mind and offering full Ethernet control, the PT*7030 comes with extensive drivers for all popular home automation systems, and features discrete parametric equalization for each channel, allowing installers to dial in precise custom room correction. "

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I am hoping this means what I want it to mean:
"Designed with the high-end installer in mind and offering full Ethernet control, the PT*7030 comes with extensive drivers for all popular home automation systems, and features discrete parametric equalization for each channel, allowing installers to dial in precise custom room correction. "

Kal,

I missed the "discrete parametric equalization for each channel" portion of the PT7030 announcement link. It looks to be a nice prepro but too rich for my blood. Especially the fact that it will be sold through custom installers only. It should be interesting to see if the PT7030 will be released on the projected target date.

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I am hoping this means what I want it to mean:
"Designed with the high-end installer in mind and offering full Ethernet control, the PT*7030 *** features discrete parametric equalization for each channel, allowing installers to dial in precise custom room correction. "

Does that statement preclude it being like Emo-Q in that to equalize the bass one has to actually go into each input channel and apply equalization to each one, rather than just equalizing the subwoofer output channel?

I hope so, but as written I'm not sure.

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Does that statement preclude it being like Emo-Q in that to equalize the bass one has to actually go into each input channel and apply equalization to each one, rather than just equalizing the subwoofer output channel?

I hope so, but as written I'm not sure.

I am not sure, either, so I asked for more info. What I am hoping for is a really competent and independent PEQ on each channel, including the sub.

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any updates on the PT-7030?
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From the Sherbourn website:

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The PT-7030 takes your theater to a new level with reference-caliber performance. Support for all HD audio formats and true 192kHz performance meshes seamlessly with a Genesis® Torino high performance video scaling engine and full HDMI v1.4a switching and signal management for a theater experience beyond compare.

Twin Cirrus® 32-bit dual-core DSP processors for true 192kHz performance
Genesis® Torino high-performance video engine for true 10-bit processing
DCDi Cinema® Format Conversion and Truelife™ video enhancer
HDMI 1.4a Deep Color Compliant, ARC, CEC
Discrete multichannel parametric EQ for precise room correction
Fully balanced 7.1 channel outputs and balanced outputs
3-zone, ethernet control and RS232 remote with extensive driver set
Bluetooth wireless audio and iPod/iPad support
10-year warranty

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Italics and bold are mine.

Sooo... either the 7030 is not a clone of the much anticipated XMC-1 or the XMC-1 will also use the Twin Cirrus processors. I certainly hope not. I already have that in the UMC-1. The only thing that impresses me about it is the pricepoint. For $349 - assuming I can sell the 40% upgrade card for $150 - its a hell of a deal. For the original asking price of $699 - not so much.

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From the Sherbourn website:
either the 7030 is not a clone of the much anticipated XMC-1 or the XMC-1 will also use the Twin Cirrus processors. I certainly hope not. I already have that in the UMC-1. The only thing that impresses me about it is the pricepoint. For $349 - assuming I can sell the 40% upgrade card for $150 - its a hell of a deal. For the original asking price of $699 - not so much.
Not a clone Knucklehead90 so not to worry smile.gif Dan played it safe this time switching to TI instead for the xmc1 .. and TACT of course not EMOq.
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I'm curious as to why Sherbourn would release a new prepro based on the Cirrus chipset when Emotiva dumped it in favor of the TI chipset on the XMC-1. So one will be spending big bucks for the 7030 which will most likely have a variant of Emo-Q eek.gif. No thanks wink.gif. Is the 7030 even available? If not I wonder if Sherbourn would pull the 7030 in order to base it on the the XMC-1 platform.

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Emo is not dumping Cirrus, but still using it for a couple new pre/pro's coming out soon. Supposedly there is a "EmoQ2" coming...
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Emo is not dumping Cirrus, but still using it for a couple new pre/pro's coming out soon. Supposedly there is a "EmoQ2" coming...

That falls into the category of "I'll believe it when it's actually released"
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Emo is not dumping Cirrus, but still using it for a couple new pre/pro's coming out soon. Supposedly there is a "EmoQ2" coming...

If you read my post close enough I said that Emotiva dumped Cirrus in the XMC-1 not in their entire lineup wink.gif. I agree with bfreedma in that I will believe it when the prepros with EmoQ2 are actually released. Much like the promised HDMI 1.4 3D upgrade for the UMC-1 wink.gif. So will EmoQ2 be an improved version of EmoQ? Emotiva has said in the past that the Cirrus chipset in the UMC-1 has issues so hopefully it will be an entirely new Cirrus chipset in future prepros.

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Now with the new prices, does anyone have the 7030? I don't see any reviews. With the 40% discount card, it can be had for about 1k.
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Now with the new prices, does anyone have the 7030? I don't see any reviews. With the 40% discount card, it can be had for about 1k.

What discount card is this?

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After leafing through the manual, I see ten-band parametric eq per channel, which is fantastic, but no mention of TACT or any other built-in correction, so I guess it's bring-your-own REW and mic.
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What discount card is this?

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After leafing through the manual, I see ten-band parametric eq per channel, which is fantastic, but no mention of TACT or any other built-in correction, so I guess it's bring-your-own REW and mic.

Emotiva owners, depending on their prior purchases, can get the Sherbourn, a sister company of Emotiva, at a 40% discount. Sherbourn / Emotiva also has an 'Upgrade for Life" program. More info on the 40% discount card can be found in the Sherbourn SR-8100 thread over at Emotiva or by listening to this Podcast. The 25% discount on the Upgrade for Life can be found here.
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I'm considering this Pre/Pro (and a PA 7-150) for my home theatre system, it wont be going into a dedicated Theatre room. What is everyones opinion of the Manual EQ setup vs an Auto EQ setup (Audyssey etc) how accurate is it and how difficut is it to setup without a pro's assistance? Didnt the older PT-7020 have an auto setup, any ideas why Sherbourn dropped it?
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I've got two PT-7030 and get occasionally audio/video dropouts on PAL (25 fps) material being it DVD or MKV connected via HDMI. My other pre/pro didn't have this issue.. Anyone have a solution for this? Otherwise the audio the 7030 produces is not bad, very dynamic and with a solid stage (using B&W Nautilus speakers).

However, if I don't get a solution to the sync issue, I am probably going to return them and swap against the Integra pre/pro.

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ItchyFeet,

Auto audio setup is never going to be as good as a pro's manual setup and the 7030 is targeted at pro's instals. This is why Sherbourn has droped it from the 7030 and put a much much better pro-league 10 band parametric EQ, that is btw. in the digital path. The P-EQ can be used on a per channel basis (that is 7 independent 10 band P-EQs) or set the same on all channels.

Setting it up manually is not that difficult, if one understands the basics, then an accurate level meter and a freq generator on a laptop with a SPDIF outout connected to the 7030 is all that's needed.

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Looking for more feedback on this based on the closeout price of $899 w/ a 40% off Emotiva upgrade card.

I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 right now I"m using as a pre-amp. I'm happy with it, so no real reason to swap out unless this thing is demonstrably better in some fashion. It looks like the two sub channels are nothing more than a splitter on the PT-7030, so that's a downer, because my TX-NR1007 has two unique sub outs with seperate time delay and EQ functionality for each. I definately use that functionality for my buttkickers at 4.5 feet setting vs. my subs at 10.5 feet --- however i could play with this some by using time delay settings on my inuke amp that drives the buttkickers and likely not be any worse off.

Any direct feedback between the Sherbourn and a competent AVR like the Onkyo TX-NR1007?

I currently have the 7 channel Sherbourn amp that is designed to go with this that puts out 350 watts per channel.

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I think the bunch of peq's are a big step up to 1 octave filters on a pre rendered curve. I never thought that audyssey had the right reference curve to adjust the speaker levels. There is the pro version, that could solve my concerns. But this would mean a higher invest (gear+license) than buying an an PT-7030 just to have fun with.


I heard about drop outs using digital connetion to the 7030

I prefer using 8 parametric eq's to get the bass (x-500 hz) right and 2-3 for some for soma speaker adjustment above that. Room eq should be below 500Hz the rest is speaker eq.

There is a nice presentation of Sean Olive concerning room eq and the result of different systems. What he wrote is pretty much spot on. So I'd always prefer staying with the 11 manual filters per channels an some reading of REW graphs. smile.gif
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Looking for more feedback on this based on the closeout price of $899 w/ a 40% off Emotiva upgrade card.

I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 right now I"m using as a pre-amp. I'm happy with it, so no real reason to swap out unless this thing is demonstrably better in some fashion. It looks like the two sub channels are nothing more than a splitter on the PT-7030, so that's a downer, because my TX-NR1007 has two unique sub outs with seperate time delay and EQ functionality for each. I definately use that functionality for my buttkickers at 4.5 feet setting vs. my subs at 10.5 feet --- however i could play with this some by using time delay settings on my inuke amp that drives the buttkickers and likely not be any worse off.

Any direct feedback between the Sherbourn and a competent AVR like the Onkyo TX-NR1007?

I currently have the 7 channel Sherbourn amp that is designed to go with this that puts out 350 watts per channel.

Jonathan, I'm expecting delivery of the pt7020c4, changing from an onkyo 805. Will let you know what I think.
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I'll stay tuned...I had the Onkyo 805 and really liked it. I upgraded to the Onkyo 1007 when a sale came round and felt the sound output was the same, but it introduced a couple of extra bells and whistles like dual subwoofer out and dual HDMI vid out. I had a Denon 5300 flagship before the 805 and felt the transition from the Denon to the 805 was pretty transparent as well.

The guys on the Emotiva forum speak highly of the 7020 as well.

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I'll stay tuned...I had the Onkyo 805 and really liked it. I upgraded to the Onkyo 1007 when a sale came round and felt the sound output was the same, but it introduced a couple of extra bells and whistles like dual subwoofer out and dual HDMI vid out. I had a Denon 5300 flagship before the 805 and felt the transition from the Denon to the 805 was pretty transparent as well.

The guys on the Emotiva forum speak highly of the 7020 as well.


Meh so far, nothing to write home about.
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Meh so far, nothing to write home about.

Are you talking about the 7030?

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