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I'm looking to replace my 10+ year old Kenwood receiver which is beginning to give me trouble. This purchase would be the first step in upgrading my entire system, which is of a similar vintage as my current receiver. I don't want to have to replace this thing for another decade.

This system is used primarily for video (Blu-ray/DVD/HD cable). When we listen to music through it, it's primarily as background; it will not be used for critical or high-volume music appreciation.

Primary considerations (must have):
  • Component video out (to feed my existing HDMI-less CRT display, which I am not wishing to replace immediately)
  • Support for multi-room, multi-source configuration (minimum 2-zone, 3-zone would be awesome)
  • Support minimum of 7.1 channels
  • Price of no more than $600 (I'm not afraid of refurb/open box/gently used)

Secondary considerations (like-to have):
  1. Networked w/ DLNA support (AirPlay support is not a priority)
  2. Internet music support (preferably Spotify and/or Pandora)
  3. Good Android remote app
  4. Phono input for the 2-3 times a year I break out the vinyl
  5. HDMI upconversion from any source (including s-video)
  6. Support for 4K video (future proofing)

Based on these considerations I'm leaning toward the Onkyo TX-NR709, which seems to check all the boxes. I've also considered the Denon AVR-2312CI (Denon's least expensive model with component video out) and the Marantz SR5006.

Does anyone have hands-on experience (pro or con) with any of these models that they can share? Any other brands/models I should be looking at? Any other features or specs that you feel are particularly important to consider?
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I would look at the factory refurbed units offered directly from denon-go to the denon website-free shipping-one year warantee-the 3310CI, for 600 would fit your list nicely-except for 4K, which you won't see for a long, long time-if at all, in the home audio market.
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I would look at the factory refurbed units offered directly from denon

I've seen those refurbs, but thanks for bringing them up. 3310 is two "generations" behind, any idea what features Denon has added/improved in the last two iterations? I was leaning toward Denon when I started doing this research, but the biggest downside to me is their lack of a supported Android app -- I'm not an Apple guy.

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except for 4K, which you won't see for a long, long time-if at all

Yeah, I agree 4K is a pretty minor concern (heck, I don't even have a 1080P display at this point), but in 10 years, who knows. One of the reasons I'm shopping for a new receiver at this point is that my current doesn't have HDMI, so I'd like to avoid a similar situation down the road.

Thanks for your input!
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Note that AVRs cannot downconvert HDMI to component video so you will have to connect your sources to the AVR with component cables if you expect to use the component video output.

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Note that AVRs cannot downconvert HDMI to component video so you will have to connect your sources to the AVR with component cables if you expect to use the component video output.

Good point. The only reason I want the component out is so that I can swap out the receiver independent of buying anything else. My current system is all component video, so the idea is that as long as the receiver I purchase has a component out I can simply plug and play with my existing gear. I'm planning to upgrade my television in the (hopefully) near future, but I don't want to have to try to get both a new receiver and a new tele past the goalie (my wife ) at the same time.
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You might want to consider buying the TV first then as the new 2012 Denon/Marantz models are due to be released starting in May. Onkyo has already starting releasing their new models. The new Denon (and likely Marantz) models are also supposed to be capable of USB firmware updates if there are any issues with updates via the network.

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You might want to consider buying the TV first then...

The problem with that is that I'd like to hold off on the display until I remodel my family room because I don't have a good spot now to set/mount a 42"+ display. My current receiver is starting to go (we had a leak and it got some water in it), so it needs replacing first. Hence the need for the component out. I guess I could try some kind of HDMI-to-component adapter until I replace the display, but that seems like a kludge.
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Check out "accessories4less, (authorized denon dealer)-2312, factory refurbished, 1year warrantee.
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Check out "accessories4less, (authorized denon dealer)-2312, factory refurbished, 1year warrantee.

Thanks for the tip...that's where I was seeing the 2312 under my price cap.

I'm really more interested in "which of these is the best receiver in this range given my needs?" than I am in "how/where can I get the best deal?". I've found places where I can get any of these receivers within my budget, but I want to make sure I choose the right one.
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I've seen those refurbs, but thanks for bringing them up. 3310 is two "generations" behind, any idea what features Denon has added/improved in the last two iterations? I was leaning toward Denon when I started doing this research, but the biggest downside to me is their lack of a supported Android app -- I'm not an Apple guy.



I'd pass on the Denon 3310CI. Not only does it have a defective network card, but also only uses the lower version of Audyssey MultEQ while the 3311CI and 3312CI both use MultEQ XT with higher speaker filter calibration capabilities. Also note that there is a Denon android remote app --> AVR-Remote.

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I'm listening to Spotify on my Onkyo TX-NR709 as I type this.
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I'd pass on the Denon 3310CI. Not only does it have a defective network card, but also only uses the lower version of Audyssey MultEQ while the 3311CI and 3312CI both use MultEQ XT with higher speaker filter calibration capabilities.AVR-Remote.

Thanks for the very specific answer. Think I'll probably eliminate that option.

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Also note that there is a Denon android remote app --> AVR-Remote.

I did see that app, but it's not an "official" app from Denon (I believe Denon does offer an iOS app). I just wonder if it's as feature-rich as the Onkyo app see as how it's made to support such a large number of receivers? Do you have any experience using this app? I've downloaded the, but you can't do much with it until you connect it with a receiver. The Onkyo app is certainly better looking.
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I'm listening to Spotify on my Onkyo TX-NR709 as I type this.

Love it! How long have you had this receiver? Can you share any pros or cons? What other receivers did you consider before getting the 709?
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There is no question Onkyo delivers more bang for the buck than most other comparable AVR's, but...

I have a 708, and I love it. My 708 got an all expense paid vacation to SoCal (without me!) to be fixed at their regional service center. The problem my AVR had effected the entire line of X08's and XX08's as well as their Integra line (ie., including their flagship models). I just learned there is another press release from Onkyo that effects many of the X09 and XX09 models! Many are questioning Onkyo's QC process... especially those with units affected. Many are also comfortable with their AVR's, fortunate to have one that has not been affected.

The 709 is a tempting beast, just thought you should know what you may be getting into when spendng your hard earned cash.

Or as Harry Callahan eliquent puts it "Do you feel lucky?"
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I did see that app, but it's not an "official" app from Denon (I believe Denon does offer an iOS app). I just wonder if it's as feature-rich as the Onkyo app see as how it's made to support such a large number of receivers? Do you have any experience using this app? I've downloaded the, but you can't do much with it until you connect it with a receiver. The Onkyo app is certainly better looking.

Sorry, no experience with that app, however you may want to check out the below thread where the OP is discussing all the apps ....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1397073

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The 709 is a tempting beast, just thought you should know what you may be getting into when spendng your hard earned cash.

Or as Harry Callahan eliquent puts it "Do you feel lucky?"

Yeah, I'm noticing that Onkyo's declining reliability is a bit of a theme in several threads. I guess that's maybe the trade-off for all the features they're able to cram into the price-point, which is a shame.

I realize you've had some issues with your receiver, but other than that how do you like it? Have you used the smartphone remote app? Would you not consider Onkyo for your next purchase due to the reliability issues you've encountered? Thanks for sharing your input.

Now let me think, was that five shots, or six?
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Sorry, no experience with that app, however you may want to check out the below thread where the OP is discussing all the apps ...

Thanks for the link. I really appreciate that I don't see a lot of that "Let me Google that for you, moron." tone on these forums.

Unfortunately there's not much in that thread (or anywhere on these forums that I can find) as far as anyone sharing their experience with the AVR-Remote app.
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Don't use any smartphone app cuz don't use a smartphone... don't really need one yet.

I love my 708, when working as it should, it is awesome!

Next upgrade will be to 9.2 with ability to run 11.2 when external amp added, something Onkyo/Integra currently does not have available. If they do add this ability I would consider them, but the cost savings (over a Denon 4311/4313 ) would probably have to be considerable given their current track record. This may change with Gibson now involved (on the presumption it is not solely for their distribution abilities)
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Next upgrade will be to 9.2 with ability to run 11.2

Dang...that's a LOT of speakers!

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This may change with Gibson now involved (on the presumption it is not solely for their distribution abilities)

I'm curious why you see the Gibson acquisition as a potential plus for Onkyo?
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Gibson does have a reputation of quality products... and their customer service has to be better than what we all read here about Onkyo's. Time will tell if is a good thing for Onkyo, and a plus for Gibson.
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