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post #1 of 10 Old 04-09-2012, 06:43 AM - Thread Starter
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Hey guys, I've got a bit of a noob question for you.

I currently have a Pioneer VSX-1019AH, mostly for movie watching and music playing. Only using 1 zone, mid size apartment living room so super loud volume isn't important. It's been a great receiver, but my father just gifted me his Denon AVR-3808CI (I know, lucky me! He just upgraded to the AVR-4311CI, awesome unit!)

So my question revolves around the benefit of upgrading. The Denon seems to be only 10 watts more per channel, but is also a slightly older model than my Pioneer. I am using the Aperion Intimus 4t system with upgraded bipoles for surround.
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We all know what a pain it is to switch out to a new receiver, re-program the universal etc etc. What kind of audio benefits could I expect or not expect when upgrading with my current setup, is it worth the switch?

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I bet the Denon sounds better than your Pio. Besides, it's only about a year old, so you're really not losing any features.

I would definitely give it a shot, if I were you.
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The Pioneer is only an entry level $500 AVR while the Denon is an upper mid level $1500 AVR using the better Audyssey MultEQ XT EQ system which can also EQ the sub (which the Pioneer cannot do) so there should be a noticable improvement in audio fidelity. Does the Denon have the $100 upgrade package installed to add Audyssey Dyn EQ/Vol? If not, you'll want to do that.

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I bet the Denon sounds better than your Pio. Besides, it's only about a year old, so you're really not losing any features.

I would definitely give it a shot, if I were you.

The 3808 is way more than a year old but is much better than the Pioneer 1019. The 3808CI came out in fall 2007 or so. It only has version 1.3 HDMI. The power difference is more than 10 watts as Pioneer really skimped on power supply and internals on the 1019 and 1020 models. I think the 1019 weighs 19lbs while its predecessor the vsx-1018 weighed 29lbs.

The 3808 is a 39lb beast! Plus the Audyssey MultiEQ XT is better than the Pioneer calibration system. In addition to that you also have networking on the Denon.

I think the OP will be very happy with that Denon.

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The 3808 is way more than a year old but is much better than the Pioneer 1019. The 3808CI came out in fall 2007 or so. It only has version 1.3 HDMI. The power difference is more than 10 watts as Pioneer really skimped on power supply and internals on the 1019 and 1020 models. I think the 1019 weighs 19lbs while its predecessor the vsx-1018 weighed 29lbs.

The 3808 is a 39lb beast! Plus the Audyssey MultiEQ XT is better than the Pioneer calibration system. In addition to that you also have networking on the Denon.

I think the OP will be very happy with that Denon.

Sorry, I meant to type a year older than the Pioneer. Yes, I agree, it should be better all around.
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I agree with the others about the Denon probably being the better choice, and I own the 1019.

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Thanks everyone for the info, it does need to be updated with Audyssey package but looks like I'm eligible for a freebie. This thing is a brick house beast compared to my Pioneer, I'll definitely set it up, seems like it should be worth the time!

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Update: Setup the Denon 3808, so far sounds great! I notice some details and imaging I never picked up on the Panasonic.

I do need some help on base management. I ran the Audyssey EQ setup and it auto set my sub at -7dB and crossover at 80Hz. I used the mid level audio setting (10 on a 20 scale) on my sub as recommended and set phase to 0.

The base is almost non-existent in movies and music. I had to turn it up manually to +7dB to get a decent amount of impact. I also had to switch the front speaker to small (surprised it set them to large by default)

On my pioneer I used only +3dB in the speaker setup and had the sub volume at about 7, compared to 10 I'm using now on the Denon.

Any explanation for this, it seems I have to turn up the sub volume much more than I should in speaker settings on the Denon to get acceptable base.

please let me know if I should post this question elsewhere,

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Toldya, there would be an improvement

Regarding the bass... sounds like you need Audyssey Dynamic EQ. I think it was a pay upgrade for the 3808. You might want to ask around on the 3808 Owners thread.
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Thanks Sam,
I;m waiting to hear back from Denon on that upgrade, its supposed to be free because of when the unit was bought.
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