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I'm still lost as what to do... Get the 2112CI for $439 or the 2312CI for $589.

I currently have...
- AVR: Yamaha RX-V2500
- Speakers: Yamaha NS-FP9500
- TV: Toshiba 42HL167
- PS3 (Video: HDMI (to TV), Sound: Optical (to AVR)
- Xbox 360 (Video: Component (to TV [older Xbox360 model], Sound: Optical (to AVR)
- PC (Video: DVI > HDMI (to TV), Sound: Optical (Sound card to AVR)
- Comcast Box (Video: Component (to TV), Sound: Optical (to AVR)
- Wii (Video: Composite, Sound: Composite (both to TV))
- Legacy game systems on Video splitter to 2nd Composite on TV
- iPhone 4

I would like to do everything HDMI as having a crapload of Optical cables is getting annoying and I would like an AVR with more updated features. Do I really need the Analog > HDMI Upconverion + Upscaling in the 2312 with the devices I have? It would be nice, I think. And the nicer GUI would be cool too. Is it worth it? Should I save some cash and go with the 2112?

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Why not wait a few weeks until the next generation of Denon AVRs are released..
The mentioned models will drop even further in $..

Just my $0.02...
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You never know if you will need to use the ability to up convert an analog signal to HDMI; you'd probably be pissed if it wasn't there when needed though. Other than that the 2312 can handle 2 subs (.2), has a detachable power cord, might have better video processing, and on the spec sheet side an additional 15 w/ch (probably undetectable).

If it were me and the additional $150 was not an issue, I'd go with the 2312.

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Why not wait a few weeks until the next generation of Denon AVRs are released..
The mentioned models will drop even further in $..

Just my $0.02...

I don't know how much of a price drop I can expect. MSRP is $849 and EE quoted me $589, J&R $599, OneCall $625. They might drop, at the most, $50, but i can't see any much more than that.


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You never know if you will need to use the ability to up convert an analog signal to HDMI; you'd probably be pissed if it wasn't there when needed though. Other than that the 2312 can handle 2 subs (.2), has a detachable power cord, might have better video processing, and on the spec sheet side an additional 15 w/ch (probably undetectable).

If it were me and the additional $150 was not an issue, I'd go with the 2312.

Now that I looked at a linked side-by-side comparison of the 2112CI, 2312CI, and 3312CI I noticed that the 2112CI does not have Component Out, which I do need (for Xbox360. Potentially the Wii in the future if I got a different Xbox (with HDMI) and a Component cable for Wii. So, I may have to get the 2312CI. I don't mind, just trying to weigh between the two.

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Hello,
I not reticent to purchase a Refurbished AVR, Accessories4less recently started selling Denon B-Stock and they have the 2312 over $100 less than the lowest price you mentioned.

AC4L taking on Denon was huge as the prior Denon B-Stock Retailers only offered a 90 Day Factory Warranty whereas AC4L got Denon to move it up to a 1 Year Factory Warranty. In addition, Owner Mark could not be nicer and they have a 30 Day Return Policy. The Return Policy is in stark contrast to most bottom Dollar Retailers. AC4L's Customer Service beyond the Return Policy is excellent as well and every B-Stock AVR I have seen from there looks brand new.
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I not reticent to purchase a Refurbished AVR, Accessories4less recently started selling Denon B-Stock and they have the 2312 over $100 less than the lowest price you mentioned.

AC4L taking on Denon was huge as the prior Denon B-Stock Retailers only offered a 90 Day Factory Warranty whereas AC4L got Denon to move it up to a 1 Year Factory Warranty. In addition, Owner Mark could not be nicer and they have a 30 Day Return Policy. The Return Policy is in stark contrast to most bottom Dollar Retailers. AC4L's Customer Service beyond the Return Policy is excellent as well and every B-Stock AVR I have seen from there looks brand new.
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To be honest, I really have nothing against B-Stock items, but the 3yr warranty is pretty handy. I'd rather pay $90 for the extra 2 years. My current RX-V2500 was a B-Stock I got for about $500 like 7yrs ago from "Audio Jungle" or something website.

Accessories For Less has some really great deals (I was on their site earlier), but I would prefer the 3yr. I appreciate the heads up, though.

Also, take no offense, but you kind of sound like you work for them.

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I don't know how much of a price drop I can expect. MSRP is $849 and EE quoted me $589, J&R $599, OneCall $625. They might drop, at the most, $50, but i can't see any much more than that.

To many price is the most important thing..

However my preference is to get a good comeptitive price, but deal with a seller who will support the product and/or replace if needed..

As pappy said The lowest price is not always the best deal...

Just my $0.02...
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I hope when the 2313 comes out someone will be able to do a side by side comparison between the 2312 and the 2313. I hope they don't remove anything from the 2312 and only add additional features!

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A Denon reseller jumped the gun and prematurely posted minimal information about the XX13 models a couple of weeks ago (since removed). The 2313CI was reported to have a new 4K video upscaling chip (as do all the new "CI" models), a 2nd HDMI monitor out, and Audyssey DSX. It's unlikely to have any other major (if at all) changes.

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