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I've been very happy with the sound quality of this reciever for years now. Haven't upgraded because I didn't want to spend the money on a comparable or better receiver and had heard from a denon guy that the newer 38 series recievers weren't built as well and didn't sound as good with music. I recently bought a 3d TV and the lip syncing issues on certain sources is driving me insane. I've been told that if i route everything through a reciever I should be ok. So i guess to the point lol, Without breaking the bank, what advice on a new receiver would you guys give? Keep in mind I don't want to take a hit on sound quality for music, CD, sacd, DVD audio, and vinyl. Also I am fairly conversant with the technology. Thanks in advance.
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All the new receivers have multiple HDMI inputs and all the decoding you'd want and the higher up models have analog to HDMI video conversion and some with phono inputs.

What's the budget? Breaking the bank is not a dollar figure.

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Thanks for the fast reply. Rolling around numbers now. I'd like to spend under a g lol, but I know that's probably not possible for a new receiver of the quality I need. Because my receiver is not HDMI, I'm running hdmis to the TV and optical and coax to the receiver. The weird thing is my Xbox is pretty good with the lip synching, my ps3 is a little off, oppo is good, verizon box( got the newest one) is terrible. I'm using all 1.4 high speed HDMI cables. I just saw a denon 4310 CI new in box on Craigslist for around 8 bills. What do you think?
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Not locked in to denon, but to my ear I always preferred the denon sound to the other Japanese manufacturers. I found the sound to be warmer than the others, which i like. Granted I haven't sat down and done a serious comparative listen in years...
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I'm sure that's worth way over $800, especially brand new.

You probably don't get the mfrs warranty though since you bought it off craigslist.

The problem is the 4310 is ver 1.3 HDMI so it won't pass a 3D signal. Are you planning to buy a blu ray 3D player? Oh, I guess the PS3 can do 3D.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=18571040

I think you can get a new Denon 3312 pretty close to your price range. It has HDMI 1.4 and can pass a 3D video signal. You can definitely get a refurbed with 1 year warranty under $700.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

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Wow I figured there would be a true pass through option if i turned off all processing. That sucks lol...
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Don't want to take a step down on music quality though. I had a friend who works in the denon tech department who told me I'd take a hit unless I moved up a few models now. Supposedly my 3802 has a better audio stage, bigger power supply, more shielding etc...
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A few years ago a buddy of mine bought a 3808, and we have a similar set up. He has vandersteins and I have dahlquist dq 20's, very similar speakers and I gotta say, to my ear my system kicked his systems ass with music. Movies were a whole other story lol. Could be room accoustics, but that gave credence to what my denon guy told me...
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Quality of construction comparable to your old AVR is going to cost more now than it did then due to inflation and the rate of exchange. Many people find refurbished units are cost effective. You might look to see what's available from Accessories4less.

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Thanks, I will check it out. Any advice on new receivers? Doesn't necessarily have to be a Denon if it's a quality piece...
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Looks like I'll need to spend more. Just bought a new tv, wife's gonna want to shoot me lol.
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Thanks, I will check it out. Any advice on new receivers? Doesn't necessarily have to be a Denon if it's a quality piece...

The 38 series was replaced by the 43 series so the 4311 is what you need to look at if you don't want it to be a "downgrade". I really don't think you lose anything with music by going with the 3312 but its not going to have the power that the 38 series had. The 4311 can be found for probably 300 over you budget but it will probably drop later this year when the replacement model comes out (4520?). I would give the 4311 a shot and see what XT32 can do with your system. The Onkyo 3009/5009 also have XT32 but I don't think you can find either of them cheaper than the 4311.



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Personally, I've been biased toward Marantz for some years. They're now owned by the same company that owns Denon, though, and apparently both companies' current AVRs use many of the same circuit boards (second hand report supposedly from a repair center tech). It is not at all obvious what differentiates the two companies now other than the faceplate and the firmware. There might be differences in their analog sections, I suppose.

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Power is not a huge issue because I'm in a 12x12 room with 4 ohm speakers, I'm more concerned with an audio hit. Looks like I'm going to have to demo some units. Fun fun fun...
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I've heard the same thing. People i've talked to say to get the Denon and save a few hundred.
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Honestly I'm not sure what to do. I used to listen way more to music, maybe 75% of the time, now its probably the reverse. With lossless audio for movies, a lesser receiver will probably sound better...
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While your room is small, most inexpensive AVRs are unable to drive 4 ohm speakers. Their amp sections and power supplies simply can't handle the load. Given the current economy, they're cutting corners everywhere. Check to make sure whatever AVR you get is rated to drive your speakers.

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Just my $0.02. I have a Denon 4310 and I really like it. I have no need for 3D, so HDMI 1.3 works for me.

However...I think $800 on cl is too high for this receiver. I got mine from Best Buy Magnolia when they went on clearance for much much cheaper.
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I'd say that was a fair price for the 4310CI. The clearance price you got at BB/Magnolia on what was orginally a $2000 MSRP AVR was a great deal and much lower than what it was worth.

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Don't want to take a step down on music quality though. I had a friend who works in the denon tech department who told me I'd take a hit unless I moved up a few models now. Supposedly my 3802 has a better audio stage, bigger power supply, more shielding etc...

Several former 3800 and 3802 owners posted in the Denon AVR-1910 thread a few years ago and were very impressed with the improved audio quality due to the fact that the 1910 uses Audyssey MultEQ. It even handles 4Ω speakers at average volume without issue. As noted, the 4311CI is the actual successor to the 3802; however, you don't need to go that high if you don't need the features.

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Yeah good point. I didn't think of that. My old 3802 drives them with ease. On a side note, I used to have a spectral amp and pre amp in the same rack with two sets of speaker wire with banana clips behind the dq-20s. I found myself never listening to the spectral stuff. It obviously sounded better but not enough to overcome lazyness I guess lol. I ended up selling them on audiogone...
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@jd -maybe I'll demo the 1912. It won mid-level receiver of the year by cnet. Maybe I'll be pleasantly suprised and save 1500 lol
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If you are doing a demo where audyssey has been setup you may want to check the 1712 or 2112 since they both have MultEQ XT and the 1912 only has regular MultEQ.
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I just ordered the 1712 to replace my 3802.
I'm getting ready to upgrade the TV that is 10yrs old with DVI ect. and after many,many hours of reading I decided to go with the 1712 because of the audyssey that is not included with the 1912. I listen to most of my music downstairs on a Denon 2310 but I'm pretty confident with Denon not to be disappointed.
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Let me know what you think. Amazon has a 2112 for under 5, I'm considering it...
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Keep in mind that several authorized resellers (AV Science, Electronics Expo, J&R) routinely sell at below that price ever since the 2112CI was first released last June, but you must "call" them to get their best price.

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Thanks, probably going to hit the big box stores and see if they have any open box items or specials. Downgrading to this extent is bothering the snob in me lol.
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I almost bought the 2112ci the other day with the slick deals for a fat 4 but more bells and whistles than I need. I used to go to all the bells and whistles on everything but as years pass (many,many) I just get what I need not what I might use maybe once to see what it does
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I went looking at BB yesterday to see how much they discounted the xx12's and the best I seen was 50 bucks. You can get them cheaper at Crutchfields if that tells you anything.
Make your calls to EE ect. I bought mine from Amazon, best deal for me with free ship no tax.
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