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Reposting in this thread...sorry. ;\

Hi!

I just purchased a AVR1613 and I like it. I'm just trying to figure out how to use it! I have HDMI plugged into the ARC and an optical cable plugged in for the sound.

My question is: I have two speakers in my living room and two speakers in my bedroom. I want to be able to play the TV and just listen to the speakers in the bedroom, but, if I use airplay or something like Pandora, I want them in both rooms. How do I go about this?

Also, should I be connecting my BD, Cable, and TV into the Receiver? Or can I just keep them plugged into the TV?
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Decision time on a second receiver. I've purchased and compared a Denon 1913 to a Marantz SR5006. I am still in the return period and can only keep one. The price difference between the 2 was only $50, the 5006 was more expensive. (picked up the 5006 on clearance from BB and had BB price match Fry's on the 1913). Main difference between the 2 that has me going back & forth is the following:
1913 offers better video with upscaling which is definitely noticeable for me as I have Cablevision and they transmit most video in 720p or 1080i
the sr5006 has multieq xt while the 1913 only has multieq which makes you think that the 5006 would have better sound quality.

Which one would you keep? I'll probably get the answer is to get the best of both worlds and pony up for the 2113ci but that's still $150 more than the 1913.
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Reposting in this thread...sorry. ;\

Hi!

I just purchased a AVR1613 and I like it. I'm just trying to figure out how to use it! I have HDMI plugged into the ARC and an optical cable plugged in for the sound.

My question is: I have two speakers in my living room and two speakers in my bedroom. I want to be able to play the TV and just listen to the speakers in the bedroom, but, if I use airplay or something like Pandora, I want them in both rooms. How do I go about this?

Also, should I be connecting my BD, Cable, and TV into the Receiver? Or can I just keep them plugged into the TV?

You'll need to upgrade to the 1713 or higher models to get Zone 2 capability to power the bedroom speakers. You'll want to use the AVR as the HDMI switch so connect your sources to it rather than the TV. In some cases the cable box will have problems with the AVR so you'll need to keep it connected to the TV with optical from the cable box to the AVR.

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I am have an audio issue on (2) new 1713 units and its driving me nuts, maybe someone can give me some advice!

So I upgraded the bedroom receiver first to a new 1713 hooked up to a Samsung SMT-C5320 cable box (Cablevision Service). The issue that I am having is that every so often the audio drops and goes really low. It eventually goes back to normal but it can sometime stay low for a little while.

I thought it might be the cable box so I waited about a week before I could get a new one (same issue on the new one by the way!). In the meantime I had my other Samsung SMT-C5320 cable box hooked up to my family room tv (samsung un55es8000) with no drop out issues. When I installed the second 1713 in the family room TV (with Samsung SMT-C5320) I am having the same issues with the audio drop outs.

So it seems to me that the issue is between the 1713 and the Samsung SMT-C5320 (which are hooked up via HDMI in both cases). Has anyone had similar issues with this cable box (or others) and how would you suggest I proceed? I was thinking of hooking up the Coaxial Audio from the Samsung SMT-C5320 to the 1713 but I don't know if I can turn of the audio output from the Samsungs HDMI Output.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!!

HDMI handshake issues with cable/sat boxes is quite common. The work around is to connect HDMI to the TV with optical from the box to the AVR.

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The bedroom speakers are connected to the receiver in the stereo inputs, but nothing comes out. When I calibrate them, I hear the tests; however, no music or TV comes out.
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i believe me and the wife might use the wireless reciever from att uverse so i think i should be ok. if we do not then ill have to figure it out.
can you link me to an optical cable that i would use for the tv receiver to the audio reciever?

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@jdsmoothie - Thank you for your reply!

So I did two things. I increased the subwoofer channel level on my amplifier by +5db and decreased the volume knob on my sub to around a quarter.

This helps. The sub now kicks in better at volume set to 50db and above.

However the same problem occurs for volumes less than 50db. Its almost like the sub takes a second or two to understand that the LFE channel has started pumping out bass notes.

I guess I will have to live with the fact that my listening levels should be more than 50db in general (it is a comfortable level thankfully)

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Hi all,

I recently purchased a Denon 1513 AVR with a Monitor Audio Mass 10 system which comes with the Mass W200 Subwoofer. The setup seems to be working well.

I just have one problem - After a period of silence or bass-less music like pure guitar, high piano notes etc, my subwoofer takes a second or so to detect bass notes coming in. It misses the first one or two bass beats, and then works perfectly afterwards. Is this normal? Its like the sub goes to sleep and wakes up only after the first bass note or so.

I have tried various things - I have set the subwoofer switch to "Always On" instead of "Auto On" etc, tried to increase signal strength to the sub-woofer, tried to up the crossover frequency to 120Hz but I am facing the same problem.

Any comments or suggestions? Would be much appreciated!

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The bedroom speakers are connected to the receiver in the stereo inputs, but nothing comes out. When I calibrate them, I hear the tests; however, no music or TV comes out.

You can't do any useful Audyssey calibration if you want to use the 1613 to place 2 speakers in one room and 2 speakers in another room. What you can do is to connect the one set to the FL/FR speaker posts and the 2nd set to the SL/SR speaker posts and use the the "Multi CH Stereo" surround mode.

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thank you. I was thinking about getting a simple 4 zone speaker selector for HTD so if my impedance ever dropped the built in protection of the speaker selector would kick in and save my AVR. Could you please elaborate on how a second AVR would allow me to expand to whole house audio? Im new to this and I was under the impression that if I used a 2nd AVR i could only run my other zones off the FR/FL speaker posts essentially what i would be doing on my main AVR now.

Connecting the other zone speakers to the primary AVR you reduce the total headroom available to the other speakers in the main zone, while using a 2nd AVR, although connecting the speaker selector to the FL/FR speaker posts, these speakers have the full power of that 2nd AVR.

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I'm sending them to the Denon mixed with some Mp3 files and they don't even appear on the TV. Does it make a difference if they are "mixed" in with Mp3 files?

Thanks, Mike

Sending them how? Try a subset of just flac files to test.

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@jdsmoothie - Thank you for your reply!

So I did two things. I increased the subwoofer channel level on my amplifier by +5db and decreased the volume knob on my sub to around a quarter.

This helps. The sub now kicks in better at volume set to 50db and above.

However the same problem occurs for volumes less than 50db. Its almost like the sub takes a second or two to understand that the LFE channel has started pumping out bass notes.

I guess I will have to live with the fact that my listening levels should be more than 50db in general (it is a comfortable level thankfully)

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Note that modern AVRs use a logarthmic volume scale so average volume levels will be 60-75% of maximum.

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Connecting the other zone speakers to the primary AVR you reduce the total headroom available to the other speakers in the main zone, while using a 2nd AVR, although connecting the speaker selector to the FL/FR speaker posts, these speakers have the full power of that 2nd AVR.

Makes sense. Thanks for the info! Can't wait to install everything and kick back and enjoy my setup
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Decision time on a second receiver. I've purchased and compared a Denon 1913 to a Marantz SR5006. I am still in the return period and can only keep one. The price difference between the 2 was only $50, the 5006 was more expensive. (picked up the 5006 on clearance from BB and had BB price match Fry's on the 1913). Main difference between the 2 that has me going back & forth is the following:
  • 1913 offers better video with upscaling which is definitely noticeable for me as I have Cablevision and they transmit most video in 720p or 1080i
  • the sr5006 has multieq xt while the 1913 only has multieq which makes you think that the 5006 would have better sound quality.

Which one would you keep? I'll probably get the answer is to get the best of both worlds and pony up for the 2113ci but that's still $150 more than the 1913.
Decisions, decisions.

Nope, the answer is choose the one you prefer as it's your setup. wink.gif

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JDSMOOTH.
What would be the better option for the Cable receiver to the TV? No idea what tv I'll be getting when i move but any tv should be working just fine as long as it has a HDMI port.
Optical (seems more expensive)? Subwoofer cable would work? Havent gotten Uverse yet but i think i should just wait til i know what to use huh? Try the wireless receiver to see if it works good then the HDMI cable, then go for somthing else if that doesnt?

Thanks

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Nope, the answer is choose the one you prefer as it's your setup. wink.gif
I knew you were going to say that.

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jdsmoothie: What is the difference between the 1713 and 1913? I know they both have dual zones, but, one is "Line out"?
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Correct. 1713 is only 5.1 so would require a 2CH amp to power Zone 2 speakers while the 1913 is 7.1 and can power them with it's own amps.

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Sending them how? Try a subset of just flac files to test.

I'm sending them over a wireless network to a wireless bridge (both Netgear). I just created a new folder in "my Music" called "FLAC Test" and put in one album and it does not even show up on the TV as a folder. Also, at one time I deduced that it would not "see" music files unless they were located in the Windows "My Music" folder, all of a sudden I am seeing music located in another partition. I can easily work around the 5,000 file limit, but not playing the FLAC files is coming very close to a deal breaker. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the fact that Windows 7 does not support FLAC, but I've never had any trouble playing any of the FLAC files with Media Monkey and other software.

Thanks for all your help, hopefully someone has seen this issue before and has a solution.

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Try using CoreFLAC. http://www.free-codecs.com/download/CoreFLAC_Decoder_Encoder.htm

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I'm sending them over a wireless network to a wireless bridge (both Netgear). I just created a new folder in "my Music" called "FLAC Test" and put in one album and it does not even show up on the TV as a folder. Also, at one time I deduced that it would not "see" music files unless they were located in the Windows "My Music" folder, all of a sudden I am seeing music located in another partition. I can easily work around the 5,000 file limit, but not playing the FLAC files is coming very close to a deal breaker. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the fact that Windows 7 does not support FLAC, but I've never had any trouble playing any of the FLAC files with Media Monkey and other software.

Thanks for all your help, hopefully someone has seen this issue before and has a solution.

Mike

I already downloaded another piece of software this morning that allows me to play the FLAC files in WIN 7. Will "your" software make any difference and why doesn't the folder even appear on the TV?

Thanks!!

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Sorry, but I have no personal experience with flac or CoreFlac, rather simply just trying to provide something for you to resolve your issue.

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I already downloaded another piece of software this morning that allows me to play the FLAC files in WIN 7. Will "your" software make any difference and why doesn't the folder even appear on the TV?

Thanks!!

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I'm just at a loss as what to do next. I guess, call Denon in the morning. It seems that the basic issue is that it's not even seeing the folder that the FLAC file resides in. The software that I downloaded this morning works seamlessly with Win 7, and I had this issue several days ago before I added this software ( Codec for Windows 7 Pak). I'll try & talk with Denon tomorrow (someone give me fortitude & patience!).

Thanks for all your help and I'll post a response.

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jdsmoothie: I'm going out to get a 1913...can you please explain to me how I would about getting multi channels? I have the two speakers living room, two speakers bedroom. I know you mentioned this before... sorry. :\

Do I put them both in FR/FL? Or??
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Connect the LR speakers to the FL/FR speaker posts and the bedroom speakers to the SBL/SBR speaker posts ....


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This is probably a stupid question but i was unable to find the answer. I got a audssey mic (ACM1HB) for a 3313. I unpackaged it and it looked like there was little black sticker on the top. It took a little bit to take it off. Was that a sticker i peeled off or was that supposed to stay on. When it came off it looked like there was just a hole in the middle with a very small censor in it. Anyway, i just want to make sure i didnt accidentally remove something i shouldnt have.
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You did ... put it back please. smile.gif

SOB!! I can't find the dam* thing now. Did i just make the mic useless? Or am I okay without it.
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That was my idiot moment of the month. I found one on eBay for 24 and just grabbed one. I'm not taking any chances. Okay begin making fun of me, fml
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Decision time on a second receiver. I've purchased and compared a Denon 1913 to a Marantz SR5006. I am still in the return period and can only keep one. The price difference between the 2 was only $50, the 5006 was more expensive. (picked up the 5006 on clearance from BB and had BB price match Fry's on the 1913). Main difference between the 2 that has me going back & forth is the following:
1913 offers better video with upscaling which is definitely noticeable for me as I have Cablevision and they transmit most video in 720p or 1080i
the sr5006 has multieq xt while the 1913 only has multieq which makes you think that the 5006 would have better sound quality.

Which one would you keep? I'll probably get the answer is to get the best of both worlds and pony up for the 2113ci but that's still $150 more than the 1913.
Decisions, decisions.

Nope, the answer is choose the one you prefer as it's your setup.

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Hi all,

I'm new to this forum and recently replaced my Yamaha RX-V657 (quiet old - 7 to 8 years I believe) and cheap dvd-player with the classy AVR-2113 (not ci) and BDT-1713UD. With it I also replaced my plain TV with a 2nd hand 40" Loewe (hdmi 1.1 - 4 to 5 years old). I also had a popcorn-hour c200 attached to it.

I'm really happy with the setup - installation is very easy. Also very happy that I can control some things from my android-phone/tablet. From time to time my TV doesn't "get it". I guess the hdmi-handshake does something weird to my TV because of some incompatibilities (hdmi 1.1 vs hdmi 1.4 ??). I have to power-off the TV and all things go back to normal.

The batpig pages are helpful but I have some issues with the media player (popcorn-hour c200) or the combination with the AVR-2113. Playing all sorts of video files is working like it should. Even the audio shows no glitches or delays but... I have a lot of old media file (avi/wmv) which only have some stereo of even a mono audio. The combination popcorn-hour <-> rc-v657 works fine with these files but connected to the 2113 I got no sound at all. However the 2113 tells I got stereo.

The only difference that I see physically is that now the pch-c200 is connected with hdmi only where is was s-video/optical. On the pch-c200 I tried all sorts of audio settings. hdmi set to on with all audio pass-though and once all set to downmix. No result. Speakers are connected (5.1) to Front Left and Right, Center, Surround Left and Right and Sub.

Since I'm totally new to these new AV receivers I don't exactly know where to start troubleshooting.

Hope someone recognizes the problem I described here..


(sort for any bad grammar - English is not my native language)
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