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Any difference in Audyssey or other mutichannel sound decoding options?

The differences don't seem to be huge. I can get the 2312ci for $600. I bet the 2113ci will be much higher ...

As I indicated in the first sentence ... no difference in audio fidelity. Also 2113CI MSRP is $649.

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Am I the only one who thinks the 2313 is actually a step backwards? You seem to lose alot more than you gain. You lose a significant amount of funcitonality to gain what? zone 2 airplay?

from what we see spec wise, if i was making the choice between the two, i would be inclined to save a few bucks and buy the 2312...

edit: not sure what street pricing is gonna be yet though...

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Audio fidelity will be the same between both models with difference in power being moot.

Feature differences noted below:

HDMI: 2312CI (7), 2113CI (6)
Comp video IN: 2312CI (2), 2113CI (1)
Comp video OUT: 2312CI (1), 2113CI (0)
Zone 2 preout volume control: 2312CI (AVR remote or ext amp), 2113CI (ext amp only)
Video Upscaling: 2312CI(1080p), 2113CI (4k)
AM/FM: 2312CI (both), 2113CI (FM only)
Spotify: 2312CI (no), 2113CI (yes)
Airplay: 2312CI (main zone + Zone 2), 2113CI (dedicated Zone 2)
Analog record out: 2312CI (yes), 2113CI (no)
Napster/Rhapsody: 2312CI (yes), 2113CI (no)
Auto Standby: 2312CI (no), 2113CI (yes)
Preprogrammed remote w/other device codes: 2312CI (yes), 2113CI (no)

That makes the 2312ci a "no brainer" pick over 2113ci. The 2312 is better than the newer 2113 in the bold items, while the 2113 is better in the red items. And more expensive.
I definitely won't have a 4K display for many many years. Airplay benefits are minimal on the 2113. That leaves Spotify and Standby as the reasons to get 2113 ...
Not enough.

Now we wait for the 2312 vs 2313 matchup.
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from what we see spec wise, if i was making the choice between the two, i would be inclined to save a few bucks and buy the 2312...

edit: not sure what street pricing is gonna be yet though...

I agree. The street price on xx13 are the same as list. Probably will be for at least 4-6 months.. I plan to buy sooner than that.
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^^^

i find it very difficult to believe that street prices will be the same as msrp, even right after introduction... that would be very inconsistent with prior history....

i know there was some scuttlebutt several months ago about denon doing some price enforcing, but i have no idea if that ever got off the ground...

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That makes the 2312ci a "no brainer" pick over 2113ci. The 2312 is better than the newer 2113 in the bold items, while the 2113 is better in the red items. And more expensive.
I definitely won't have a 4K display for many many years. Airplay benefits are minimal on the 2113. That leaves Spotify and Standby as the reasons to get 2113 ...
Not enough.

In the end it's about what features you need now or believe you might need in the future. Choose the lowest level model that offers the same version of Audyssey and features you need.

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^^^

yup... that's always the best advice...

also, be realistic about what you will "need" in the future...

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The vast majority of buyers will never require a main zone external amp so there's no reason to wait to learn whether the 2313CI has main zone preouts or not if the 2112CI or 2312CI meet your needs.

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Am I the only one who thinks the 2313 is actually a step backwards? You seem to lose alot more than you gain. You lose a significant amount of funcitonality to gain what? zone 2 airplay?

Not from my scoreboard, although really depends on your requirements ....

GAINS
HDMI Out: 2 (1 more)
Video upscaling to 4k
Spotify/SiriusXM
Dedicated Zone 2 Airplay
Auto Standby
Audyssey DSX

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HDMI In: 1 (1 less)
AM Radio
Napster/Rhapsody
Preprogrammed remote w/other device codes

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So does the 2313 fix the issues of Zone 2 playback not (initially) being allowed to be different from that playing in the Main zone?

Is the description in italics below (from Crutchfield) for the AVR-2312CI still accurate? Maybe there's been a software update for the 2312?

I'm planning to use Airplay from an iPhone or iPad to control zone 2 on my deck and wondering whether to wait for the 2113 or 2313.

Thanks in advance.

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Multi-Zone Capability
Dual Zone/Dual-Source: Denon's Multi-Zone/Multi-Source function lets you select a different audio source for listening in a second location of your home. The AVR-2312CI features a Main Zone (audio/video) and Zone 2 (audio only). The Main Zone offers 7.2-channel playback of your audio/video gear in your main entertainment room. Zone 2 allows stereo audio playback of another source connected to the receiver in another room of your home via left/right RCA audio or speaker level outputs.

Zone 2 Speaker Outputs: When using the AVR-2312CI to power speakers in a second room of your home, the main zone is restricted to 5.2-channels.
Zone 2 Preamp Outputs: When using the receiver's preamp output terminals for the second room you need an additional amplifier to power those speakers and the main Zone of the receiver remains 7.2-channel.
Compatible Zone Sources: Only tuner, analog, USB, and Network sources can be played in Zone 2. You must currently be listening to a USB device or Network audio source in the Main Zone to initially select USB or Network as a source in Zone 2. Then you can switch the Main Zone to any source you desire. You cannot select different AM/FM radio stations or different Network content for different zones.

Note: To hear Airplay in Zone 2, the Main Zone must also be playing Airplay. You can have other sources playing in Zone 2 when the main zone is using Airplay.
Incompatible Zone Sources: It is not possible to play the digital audio signals from the HDMI, Coaxial, or Optical terminals in Zone 2. Video cannot be sent to Zone 2.
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Yes, that Airplay Zone 2 limitation on the XX12 models still exists and won't be resolved with a firmware update. If it's an issue for you, and you want a XX12 model, purchase an AppleTV that will also allow you to pass video as well (which on board Airplay cannot do) or all of the XX13 models no longer have the Zone 2 limitation.

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I have a general question. I just got the 1613 (haven't setup yet). I want to use the 1 HDMI out but will my TV recognize it as only one input ? As my PS3 has different settings than my dish box. My current receiver doesn't have HDMI so each component goes directly to the tv.

I have a Samsung TV if that matters.

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Is the description in italics below (from Crutchfield) for the AVR-2312CI still accurate? Maybe there's been a software update for the 2312?

not sure what you are reading but that Crutchfield info is exactly correct and totally consistent with what JD and I have said about a thousand times: 1. digital audio no workie in zone 2; 2. you can play any analog or networked/tuner source in zone 2; and 3. any zone 2 source can be independent of main zone EXCEPT airplay.

So not sure what "update" you think happened because that is exactly how it's always worked.

Frankly I'm impressed that Crutchfield nailed it precisely. Most vendors (especially online ones) can barely get the specs accurate, let alone provide that kind of accurate detail on relatively obscure functionality.

if you are referring to the fact that you have to engage the main zone initially to start up the networked/USB source, then yes that's likely always going to be the case as you need to access the main zone GUI to interface with these sour. Any "passive" source going to Zone 2 (i.e. simple analog audio feed) is fully independent, I can be watching TV inside and turn music on outside without disrupting that.

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I have a general question. I just got the 1613 (haven't setup yet). I want to use the 1 HDMI out but will my TV recognize it as only one input ? As my PS3 has different settings than my dish box. My current receiver doesn't have HDMI so each component goes directly to the tv.

correct, as far as the TV is concerned it's all one input, it has no way of knowing otherwise. It's an irrelevant concern though unless you specifically have different video calibrations for each source. If that is something that's important to you there is no rule that you can't run multiple HDMI cables to the TV still. You can run the PS3 through the AVR (so you can use HDMI for hi-rez audio) and then on to the TV, and separately run the dish box straight to the TV with HDMI and then feed the receiver digital audio (either a coax/optical connection from the dish box or pass through the TV using ARC back to the receiver if your TV supports this.

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correct, as far as the TV is concerned it's all one input, it has no way of knowing otherwise. It's an irrelevant concern though unless you specifically have different video calibrations for each source. If that is something that's important to you there is no rule that you can't run multiple HDMI cables to the TV still. You can run the PS3 through the AVR (so you can use HDMI for hi-rez audio) and then on to the TV, and separately run the dish box straight to the TV with HDMI and then feed the receiver digital audio (either a coax/optical connection from the dish box or pass through the TV using ARC back to the receiver if your TV supports this.

Thanks, that's what I thought. Yeah my dish is calibrated diff than the PS3. Yeah my TV has the ARC. Gonna try that.
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JD or batpig.... Do either of you know which models will have MultiEQ XT? I have the 3312 right now but wondering if any of the lower models in the 2013 line will have XT.
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In this respect, there is no change as the same lower level models last year with XT still carry over to the XX13 models (ie. 1713, 2113CI and 2313CI).

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Denon US has a webpage up now for the AVR-3313CI with features, detailed specs and downloads...

http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Page...313CI(DenonNA)
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Thanks for the clarification guys. I'm now thinking of getting a 1713 for my mancave and then getting a 3313 for the family room with zones 2 (and maybe 3) playing in different rooms from that.

If I use line level outs for the extra zones with separate amps, does that mean that the iPad won't control the volume for the extra zones?

If I got an Apple TV, will it be able to 'see' and play music from the Denon?

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No, you'll still be able to control volume and source selection to Zones 2/3. And no, the AppleTV won't be able to control the AVR, rather the AVR remote app would still be needed.

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Denon US has a webpage up now for the AVR-3313CI with features, detailed specs and downloads...

http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Page...313CI(DenonNA)

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Auto/Manual Room Equalization YES/MultEQ XT

No XT32 for the 3313CI in the US.
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All XX13 models are now published on Denon's website with pics and spec pages (still waiting on Owner's manuals to be added). The following provides overview of all models.

1513 (MSRP $249.99) ----> 5.1, 75W, 4/1 HDMI, AM/FM, GUI, HDMI Standby pass through, 3.5mm jack, No ARC, No Audyssey, No USB, (April)
1613 (MSRP $399.99) ----> 5.1, 75W, 5/1 HDMI, FM only, MultEQ (April)
1713 (MSRP $449.99) ----> 5.1, 80W, 6/1 HDMI, MultEQ XT, Zone 2 (preouts only) (May)
1913 (MSRP $579.99) ----> 7.1, 90W, 6/1 HDMI, MultEQ, Adv GUI, Zone 2 (Amp Assign), Comp video IN (1), Analog-->HDMI, 1080p/24hz upscaling, PLIIz (April)

2113CI (MSRP $649.99) --> 7.1, 95W, 6/1 HDMI, (same as 1913)+, 4k upscaling, MultEQ XT, Zone 2 pre-outs, (May)
2313CI (MSRP $849.99) --> 7.2, 105W, 6/2 HDMI, (same as 2113CI) + Audyssey DSX, Comp video IN (2)/OUT (1), RS-232, Audyssey Pro ready, DSD over HDMI (June)
3313CI (MSRP $1199.99) --> 7.2, 125W, 7/3 HDMI, (same as 2313CI)+ Denon Link HD (digital coax cable; only works with new DBT-3313UDCI), Aluminum faceplate w/trap door, Zone 2 HDMI Out, Zone 2 component Out, main zone preouts, Zone 2/3 preouts, HD radio (AM/FM) (June)


NOTES:
* Front HDMI (all models)
* Networking/Airplay (Zone 2 independent from main zone)/SiriusXM/Flickr, Pandora (1613 and higher)
* Spotify (1913 and higher via firmware upgrade later this summer)
* GUI (1513, 1613, 1713); Advanced GUI (1913 and higher)

* GUI displays over HDMI only (all models)
* "Auto Standby" feature: [2hrs, 4hrs, 8hrs, Off] (1513 only), [30min, 60min, Off] (1613 and higher)
* "Dialogue Level" (enhance center channel dialog), Front USB, GUI overlay on 3D video, HDMI Control (1613 and higher)
* Web Control w/SAVE/LOAD of config file/Audyssey (1713 and higher)
* Dynamic Volume renamed from (Day, Evening, Midnight) to (Light, Medium, Heavy)(1613 and higher)
* Audyssey "Manual EQ" relabeled "Graphic EQ" (1913 and higher)
* Audyssey mic ACM1HB replaces DM-A409 (1613 and higher); cosmetic changes made only, interchangeable with DM-A409
* Ability to update firmware via USB (coming later this summer)
* iPad connection to USB (1713 and CI models, although may work on other models as well)
* Larger font size single line display on front panel display
* New Denon iPhone/iPad Remote App Ver 3.0 with XX13 model unique features (Frequency Direct FM Tuning, Fast Internet Radio Browsing,,Volume Limit Setting)
* New Denon Android remote app (July)
* Unique remote for each model (ie. no extraneous buttons for features only offered on higher model)
* New INFO button on each remote
* Stand alone "power indicator light" replaces "power ring indicator"

* Network Standby setting changed to "IP Control"

* Dedicated sleep timer available for Zone 2 (1913 and higher)

* New "Loudness Management" setting can disable Dynamic Compression and Dialogue Normalization (DialNorm) on DD TrueHD audio (1613 and higher)
* Firmware version available from Information menu (1613 and higher)

* USB firmware updates (summer 2012, XX13 models only)

 

Features not carried forward from XX12 model:
* Rhapsody and Napster (all networking models)
* Ipod docking station jack (S-Video)
* Assignment of HDMI inputs to other source names (1913 and lower)
* AM radio (1613 through 2313CI)
* Component IN/Out (1713)
* Number of analog audio inputs reduced
* Reduction of 2" of depth in unit dimension (2113CI and lower)
* Pre-outs: 1513 (Surr Back), 1613 (Surr Back/Front HT)
* Custom 2CH Direct/Stereo settings, Auto Surround, EQ Customize (1713 - 2313CI)
* Party Mode (network audio to multiple Denon AVRs in house)
* Denon remotes no longer pre-programmed with other device codes (2313CI and lower)
* Double line display on front panel reduced to single line to include removal of "input"/"output" icons (2313CI)
* PCM 2.0 over optical/digital coax to Zones 2/3 (3313CI)
* "CH LEVEL" button removed on all but 1513 remote (can only adjust channel levels via the Manual Setup sub menu)


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* Reduction of 2" of depth in unit dimension (1913 and lower)

FYI - the 2113 is the same size as the 1913, the 2" depth reduction applies to 2113 and lower, only the 2313/3313 are the deeper chassis.

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I'm expecting a lot of people who were waiting for the 3313 specs to now go for the 3312. I don't see a compelling reason to get the 3313 if the 3312 starts dropping in price (for needs similar to mine, anyhow).

So this time last year, I was trying to decide between the Onkyo 709 and the Denon 3312. After both manufacturers have released their 2012 models, I'm left with deciding between the same two receivers!


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lol... man, make up your mind!

if you have purchased an avr in the last 2 years, there really isn't anything out there technology wise that is a compelling reason to upgrade to the "latest model"... since 1.4, everything has been relatively static...

that is why they are pushing gimmicks this year (4k specifically)...

the hdmi zone out is a nice touch, but only useful to a small portion of the user population...

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eyeballing the 3312 vs. 3313 photos and spec sheets, this is what I can see:

LINK TO DENON SPEC SHEET COMPARISON

The same:

* Same size, same power (125w/ch x 7)
* The input/output allocation is nearly identical:
--- Both have 11 speaker posts but only 7.2 ch pre-amp outputs (i.e. can connect + EQ 11 speakers but only 7 active at a time)
--- Both have 6 rear HDMI inputs
--- Both have 1 front HDMI input, 1 front USB input, and front panel RCA input (R/L stereo + composite video)
--- Both have dual HDMI outs (parallel) for main zone
--- Both have 2 component video inputs + 1 output, and 2 digital coax + 2 optical audio inputs
--- Both have Zone 2 + Zone 3 pre-outs and one analog REC OUT
--- Both have RS-232, two 12v trigger outs, and room-to-room IR jacks
--- Both have six analog audio inputs (excluding the "DOCK" input that disappears) including a PHONO input
* Both have "advanced GUI" and analog>HDMI video conversion
* Both have networking with Airplay support etc.
* Same DAC's and ADC and DSP chips
* Both have AL24 processing on FR/FL channels only
* Both have the same Audyssey package (MultEQ XT + Dyn EQ/Vol + DSX)

3313ci losses vs. 3312ci:

* No more iPod "Dock" input with control port (obsoleted by Airplay + USB options)
* No more S-video inputs
* One fewer composite video input
* Networking drops Rhapsody / Napster support

* GUI can only be output over HDMI 

* No more 2.0 PCM from optical/coax support for Zone 2/3


3313ci gains vs. 3312ci:

* Zone 2 matrixed HDMI output

* Component video output can be assigned to Zone 2
* 4k video scaling
* DenonLink HD

* DSD over HDMI

* "Hybrid PLL Jitter Reducer" (who knows if this makes an audible difference?)
* AirPlay independent to Zone 2
* SiriusXM and Spotify (coming via firmware update later this summer)
* Aluminum faceplate with drop-down door hiding front panel controls
* Hidden front panel controls include D-pad + buttons for setup menu access (meaning you can set it up without the remote unlike the 3312)

* New remote with [INFO] and [OPTION] buttons (although loses the [CH LEVEL] button and Audyssey control buttons)
 

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Thanks for all the the hard work on this, BP and JDS! Excellent overview of the new features (and removal of features)

- I would LOVE to have the new INFO button on my 4311ci remote.
- Doing away with AM radio is stupid. There are tons of AM stations, and lots of people use them. Bad move, Denon.
- Mention of an ANDROID app from Denon on their webpage! When will this happen?
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Hopfully it comes to the XX12's too. The screenshots of it look nice. Seems it may be sooner rather than later.

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