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I have a stool, would that be decent?

Try to envision actual sound waves moving through your room to the little mic. If you have a larger area, surface, or whatever it will deflect the waves and give a not ideal reading. That's why a small round mic stand is good. Get innovative. I have a small stand I built out of a 1 inch diameter cardboard tube with half of a larger 5 inch piece as the base. Simply cut a hole insert and you got a stand. Two small holes 1 inch down from the top with a rubber band through these holes holding the mic securely. The only thing about setting it on the couch is to make sure it's pointing straight up. biggrin.gif
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Jeez. Or instead of going MacGyver with the toilet paper rolls you could just drop 20 bucks at Walmart on a cheap tripod tongue.gif

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Jeez. Or instead of going MacGyver with the toilet paper rolls you could just drop 20 bucks at Walmart on a cheap tripod tongue.gif

Maybe I'll buy it and then return it.
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Jeez. Or instead of going MacGyver with the toilet paper rolls you could just drop 20 bucks at Walmart on a cheap tripod tongue.gif

I had some spare time at work. Plus it was the satisfaction of being MacGyver. I even painted it black. A friend came over after I had run Audyssey and asked why my mic was bigger than his. Good stuff.
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Maybe I'll buy it and then return it.

Over the life of the AVR, you will likely have to run Audyssey a number of times to include anytime furniture is moved, removed, or added or the speakers or sub are moved or added. There's a reason the Owner's manual indicates using a tripod.

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Has anyone noticed on the 3313 and possibly other models that the rear surround speakers have a slight hum? Just noticed the other day. Not sure if it's coming from the PSU, but dissapointed all the same as another member on a UK forum confirmed the same findings.
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Maybe I'll buy it and then return it.

This pretty much sums up the sad state of society today.
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Wow thanks for great thread

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Has anyone noticed on the 3313 and possibly other models that the rear surround speakers have a slight hum? Just noticed the other day. Not sure if it's coming from the PSU, but dissapointed all the same as another member on a UK forum confirmed the same findings.

I have a 3313 and a 4520, no hum from either.

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This pretty much sums up the sad state of society today.

Agreed....it's sad...

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HELP - Looking for a new receiver!!!

I am looking to replace an old SOny receiver I have. I just recently purchased some new Polk RTI12's for my 5.1 surround and music listening. I am also going to be putting in a set of outdoor speakers as well. I listen to music and watch movies equally on my system. The Polk's are fairly large so need some good power to drive them properly. I also want a good app as I would like to control the receiver from outside when I am in the backyard.

I am looking at:

Denon 3313
Denon 3213
Pioneer SC-61

Any advice???
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HELP - Looking for a new receiver!!!

I am looking to replace an old SOny receiver I have. I just recently purchased some new Polk RTI12's for my 5.1 surround and music listening. I am also going to be putting in a set of outdoor speakers as well. I listen to music and watch movies equally on my system. The Polk's are fairly large so need some good power to drive them properly. I also want a good app as I would like to control the receiver from outside when I am in the backyard.

I am looking at:

Denon 3313
Denon 3213
Pioneer SC-61

Any advice???

scratch Pioneer, no Audyssey; wait until new models come out, in a month, or so... cool.gif

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HELP - Looking for a new receiver!!!

I am looking to replace an old SOny receiver I have. I just recently purchased some new Polk RTI12's for my 5.1 surround and music listening. I am also going to be putting in a set of outdoor speakers as well. I listen to music and watch movies equally on my system. The Polk's are fairly large so need some good power to drive them properly. I also want a good app as I would like to control the receiver from outside when I am in the backyard.

I am looking at:

Denon 3313
Denon 3213
Pioneer SC-61

Any advice???

Go with the 3313CI for the house. You want the 3313 over the lesser model as the 3313CI has 7.1 Pre-outs that you'll need to power those thirsty RTi12s to a seperate amp.Grab a Emotiva XPA-5 AMP for the 5.1 and some other cheap amp for your 2 channel outside. http://shop.emotiva.com/
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Actually on Denons all Audyssey settings are memorized per input. They initially populate the same across all inputs after you complete Audyssey, but if you make changes for one input it will "stick" and not impact other inputs. This is important because you may choose, for example, to set the cable box to Dyn Vol MEDIUM, Ref Offset 10, whereas Blu-rays are Dyn Vol LIGHT and Ref Offset 0, etc.

Thanks for the correction, you're correct. All of the Audyssey base settings went global. but DV, sync ect.. are still on a source basis. Guess that what happens when you ASSume! redface.gif

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Hey guys. I purchased a Denon 2313ci last night from Fry's. I thought my Onkyo TX-NR808 was defective, and after extensive troubleshooting last night, it ended up being the wall outlet that my sub was plugged into. For some reason I was getting a really loud hum from the HSU Sub and it only happened with certain sources plugged into the receiver hdmi. Once I moved my sub to a different outlet, it went away.

So, I went ahead and hooked up the new Denon just to see if I could hear a difference in sound quality and I'm not sure that I did. In fact, it kind of sounded a little less powerful than my Onkyo. I ran Audyssey and setup 8 different listening positions. I changed a couple settings such as the crossover on my speakers and changed my fronts from large to small because it defaulted them at large. The interface is a little different from my Onkyo and I'm not sure if I'm actually using Audyssey. How can I confirm that I am using Audyssey and are there any settings or tweaks I need to check that I may not be aware of? Thanks

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Hey guys. I purchased a Denon 2313ci last night from Fry's. I thought my Onkyo TX-NR808 was defective, and after extensive troubleshooting last night, it ended up being the wall outlet that my sub was plugged into. For some reason I was getting a really loud hum from the HSU Sub and it only happened with certain sources plugged into the receiver hdmi. Once I moved my sub to a different outlet, it went away.

So, I went ahead and hooked up the new Denon just to see if I could hear a difference in sound quality and I'm not sure that I did. In fact, it kind of sounded a little less powerful than my Onkyo. I ran Audyssey and setup 8 different listening positions. I changed a couple settings such as the crossover on my speakers and changed my fronts from large to small because it defaulted them at large. The interface is a little different from my Onkyo and I'm not sure if I'm actually using Audyssey. How can I confirm that I am using Audyssey and are there any settings or tweaks I need to check that I may not be aware of? Thanks

Btw, you can check my signature for a rundown of my equipment in my mancave. Just in case you wanted to know what speakers and sub I have.

I believe the settings your after are called

Heres a FAQ on Audssey http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1 and Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#user_f9

Make sure when you do the mic calibration that your not just holding the mic or setting it down on your couch or chair. You must use a mic stand as you want the mic stable and not moving at all and pointed straight up at the ceiling and at hear level and not close to a wall (1 foot) or near the back rest of your seat. A boom mic is best to you. It will make a night and day difference in sound quality at the end!

You want this stand and adapter for the mic.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000978D58/ref=oh_details_o01_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001GWCC4I/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Also I have no idea what kind of watts those speakers use but if you ever want to move to separate amps to power them to there potential in the near future you'll want the next Denon model up 3313CI or the top 4520CI as they have what the models below don't have and that an important thing called Pre-Outs. Without Pre-Outs you can connect your receiver to a separate Amplifier that could be used to send a lot more power to your speakers.. like 100-200+ watts or more.

Most receivers state there power at 2 channels and will go down from there the more speakers you hook up. If your speakers are stated to work at 200+ watts then they will sound best with separate amplification.
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if you consider this HT gear as a hobby, buy it and keep it. if you can buy $100 plus cost of speakers why cant buy $20 for mic stand? wchic is very important for Aud. if you care for a better sound.

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if you consider this HT gear as a hobby, buy it and keep it. if you can buy $100 plus cost of speakers why cant buy $20 for mic stand? wchic is very important for Aud. if you care for a better sound.

I'm going to try the stool first, if it stinks maybe I'll go for the mic.
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Calibrating is something one should do everytime one moves their speakers around or changes something in their gear. The mic stand is a "Must own" i'd say.. glad I got one haha.
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I'm going to try the stool first, if it stinks maybe I'll go for the mic.

Make sure your house is dead silent.. unplug the fridge and turn off the furnace and anything else that makes a sound till your done. Use as many listening spots as you can so Audyssey can get a good reading of your room.
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I'm going to try the stool first, if it stinks maybe I'll go for the mic.

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Does anyone know if and where I can find the service manual for my AVR1613?
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Does anyone know if and where I can find the service manual for my AVR1613?
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Use this link and click "downloads and manuals".

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I think I can move one of my bookshelf speaker onto my book case, then use that stand as a mic stand The only difference is like 2 inches(the stand and shelf are literally right next to each other). And my speaker stand is pretty thin like a mic stand.
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I think I can move one of my bookshelf speaker onto my book case, then use that stand as a mic stand The only difference is like 2 inches(the stand and shelf are literally right next to each other). And my speaker stand is pretty thin like a mic stand.
please buy these, and not to worry what to use.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Quik+Lok+-+Short+Tripod+Microphone+Stand+with+Telescopic+Boom+-+Black/1557864.p?id=1218268434454&skuId=1557864&st=MICROPHONE%20STAND&cp=1&lp=7

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I think I can move one of my bookshelf speaker onto my book case, then use that stand as a mic stand The only difference is like 2 inches(the stand and shelf are literally right next to each other). And my speaker stand is pretty thin like a mic stand.

So, your speaker is currently 2" away from a bookshelf? Probably not the best placement for optimum sound.

Seriously dude, get a tripod or mic stand - I guarantee you'll be using it for years if you continue in this hobby at all.
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So, your speaker is currently 2" away from a bookshelf? Probably not the best placement for optimum sound.

Seriously dude, get a tripod or mic stand - I guarantee you'll be using it for years if you continue in this hobby at all.

My bedroom isn't very big, there is no other place to put the speaker.
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I cannot comprehend all these gyrations just to avoid paying 20 bucks for a freaking tripod.

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Batpig or JD - can you tell me if there is any advantage to powering the front speakers and center channel with an external amp. I currently am running an AVR 3313 using a 7.2 channel setup. I have an extra Yamaha amp that I no longer use, its a 7.1 reciever, but does not have HDMI connections. I retired it and thought I moght sell it, but just can't bring myself to just give it away. Any info on how to hook this up would be nice, if its possible. There is nothing wrong with the way the AVR3313 sounds, I just hate letting the yahama sit in a corner absorbing dust. I aasume if it is possible I would have to run audyssey again.
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The only advantage would be if there is insufficient power to drive your speakers cleanly to the volume levels you desire.

That said, if you do it, I wouldn't just use a different receiver. That Yamaha probably doesn't have more power than the 3313 so the advantage would be pretty minimal. You would gain a little bit of headroom potentially because the 3313 wouldn't have to drive all 7 channels, but I would think the benefits would be pretty minimal with this specific configuration.

I would rather sell the Yamaha and buy a dedicated amp if you feel it's necessary. Then you can get something with considerably more power than the 3313. But again, it would only really provide a benefit if you are exceeding the limits of the 3313's amps, i.e. you play really loud and/or you have a very large room and/or inefficient speakers.
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