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I started a thread on this as well, but might as well get here too.

I've got a demon AVR1613 and a Polk RM6750 setup. I've got the sub set to auto, and while I'm watching something it keeps turning off...presumably after the 15 minute timer. is there a setting I could change to fix this, or should I just leave it always on?
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It could be that the subwoofer signal coming from your receiver is too low to keep the subwoofer on when it needs to be. Check to make sure the subwoofer trim level in the receiver is not pegged at -12dB.

You might try slightly turning down the volume control on your subwoofer and then re-running the Audyssey calibration. That will cause the receiver's subwoofer output signal voltage to be increased to compensate for the reduced volume level. The standard recommendation is for the trim level to be about +/- 3dB.

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It could be that the subwoofer signal coming from your receiver is too low to keep the subwoofer on when it needs to be. Check to make sure the subwoofer trim level in the receiver is not pegged at -12dB.

You might try slightly turning down the volume control on your subwoofer and then re-running the Audyssey calibration. That will cause the receiver's subwoofer output signal voltage to be increased to compensate for the reduced volume level. The standard recommendation is for the trim level to be about +/- 3dB.

Ill try that. The Audyssey set it to -12. Thank you!
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I just got an update today June 11, 2013. #1490-1169-0000-1180-3987
I Noticed an update dated June 6,2013 in this forum but no description. Nor was there a description on the USA.Denon site.

Looking for some help from the masters.

Thanks a lot
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What did the AVR set the speaker crossovers to when you ran Audyssey? If < 80Hz then raise them to 80Hz, if > 80Hz then leave them as is. Review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig for additional help.

Auddyssey set them to 60hz. So you are saying I should bump them to 80 right? Why is that? I thought Auddysey would set them correctly?

Also the manufacturers guide said since I have speakers set to small that I shoud turn the low pass knob on the back of the woofer all the way up (150hz) Is that right?

Also they reccomend setting the sub crossover on the reciever as high as possible. That would be 250hz!! So that can't be right. I have it at 120hz but was wondering if it should be 150hz to match the highest range of the sub?
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It could be that the subwoofer signal coming from your receiver is too low to keep the subwoofer on when it needs to be. Check to make sure the subwoofer trim level in the receiver is not pegged at -12dB.

You might try slightly turning down the volume control on your subwoofer and then re-running the Audyssey calibration. That will cause the receiver's subwoofer output signal voltage to be increased to compensate for the reduced volume level. The standard recommendation is for the trim level to be about +/- 3dB.

Ahh...is this why I woke up this morning and my sub wasn't working? I had to unplug it to get it to kick back on.

Audyysey set my sub to -12 so I will try bumping it up to -3 and turn down the volume knob a bit.

It seems like this Auddysy thing is FAR from fool-proof huh??
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Auddyssey set them to 60hz. So you are saying I should bump them to 80 right? Why is that? I thought Auddysey would set them correctly?

Also the manufacturers guide said since I have speakers set to small that I shoud turn the low pass knob on the back of the woofer all the way up (150hz) Is that right?

Also they reccomend setting the sub crossover on the reciever as high as possible. That would be 250hz!! So that can't be right. I have it at 120hz but was wondering if it should be 150hz to match the highest range of the sub?

The AVR actually set the crossover level based on the -3db point passed by Audyssey. You can use the 60Hz or raise to 80Hz, whichever you prefer. The 80Hz recommendation is made for two reasons: (1) The higher crossover passes more of the work to the sub and by doing so provides for more headroom by the AVR. (2) There are far more sub filter points than speaker filter points used by Audyssey, so again passing more to the sub will generally provide for better audio fidelity.

Yes, as noted in your Denon owner's manual, set the sub LPF to it's maximum to allow the AVR to do the bass management.

The LPF for LFE on the AVR should be left at it's factory default setting of 120Hz.
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Ahh...is this why I woke up this morning and my sub wasn't working? I had to unplug it to get it to kick back on.

Audyysey set my sub to -12 so I will try bumping it up to -3 and turn down the volume knob a bit.

It seems like this Auddysy thing is FAR from fool-proof huh??

The AVR actually sets the sub and speaker levels. It's up to you to make further adjustments as needed. Please review the Audyssey 101/FAQ linked in my sig to ensure you are using the Audyssey setup correctly. By doing so you will learn that your sub is set too loud and the AVR has maxed out it's capability to attenuate the volume down to the 75db test tone as indicated by the -12db setting. Lower the sub gain knob to about 9 o'clock (or possibly even lower) and run Audyssey until the AVR sets the sub closer to 0db than to -12db. Doing so will not only ensure you have a properly configured sub, but it should also remain on when set to "AUTO" as the signal from the AVR will be stronger.

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I just got an update today June 11, 2013. #1490-1169-0000-1180-3987
I Noticed an update dated June 6,2013 in this forum but no description. Nor was there a description on the USA.Denon site.

Looking for some help from the masters.

Thanks a lot

Post #6 will be updated when I am able to obtain the change log information from Denon, otherwise, note that Denon does not currently update this information on their website.

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Predominantly for the potential of improvement in sound quality over bog-standard USB ports but also including, but not limited to the possible potential for:
  1. Upgrade to multi-channel FLAC file usage (ala, DBT-3313 recent firmware upgrade)
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Hokay folks, I've been looking and looking, and have a decision to make.

For my situation - a small room where I'm just going to be running 5.1 - the AVR-1713 was going to be my weapon of choice. But after lurking through thread after thread, I started thinking about buying more that what I need RIGHT NOW, in the event that the amp gets relocated somewhere that 7.1 becomes an option, better legacy connection options, better GUI, etc.

So the choices that I'm pondering...

Open Box 2313CI from a local store (full warranty), who say they'll price match A4L's refurbed price - $449 (plus tax brings it to $500, give or take a few dollars)
Brand new X2000 from Paul's TV for $551 shipped.

I understand I'm not comparing apples to apples here, as the X2000 is the updated 2113CI and not the 2313CI, but from what I'm able to tell, the X2000 has the main reasons you'd opt for a 2313. (Variable zone 2 volume, 4k passthrough - not that I need it - etc.)

Any input?
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The X2000 doesn't have Audyssey DSX (front wide/height) while the 2313CI does not have "All Zone Stereo" so boils down to what features you need as they both use the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT.
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The AVR actually set the crossover level based on the -3db point passed by Audyssey. You can use the 60Hz or raise to 80Hz, whichever you prefer. The 80Hz recommendation is made for two reasons: (1) The higher crossover passes more of the work to the sub and by doing so provides for more headroom by the AVR. (2) There are far more sub filter points than speaker filter points used by Audyssey, so again passing more to the sub will generally provide for better audio fidelity.

Yes, as noted in your Denon owner's manual, set the sub LPF to it's maximum to allow the AVR to do the bass management.

The LPF for LFE on the AVR should be left at it's factory default setting of 120Hz.
The AVR actually sets the sub and speaker levels. It's up to you to make further adjustments as needed. Please review the Audyssey 101/FAQ linked in my sig to ensure you are using the Audyssey setup correctly. By doing so you will learn that your sub is set too loud and the AVR has maxed out it's capability to attenuate the volume down to the 75db test tone as indicated by the -12db setting. Lower the sub gain knob to about 9 o'clock (or possibly even lower) and run Audyssey until the AVR sets the sub closer to 0db than to -12db. Doing so will not only ensure you have a properly configured sub, but it should also remain on when set to "AUTO" as the signal from the AVR will be stronger.

Thanks. I checked out that thread and it helped. I ran it again with better results.
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My sub is now set at -1 and still it shut off overnight. Do I need to turn down the volume even further and set it at 0 or +1 to keep it on or should I set it to always on?

I thought that once the sub received a signal again it would turn back on but I need to unplug the LFE cable to get it yo do so.
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Is there anything "wrong" with using the AUDYSSEY EQ setting rather than the AUDYSSEY FLAT setting? The FLAT setting doesn't seem to have as much "life" to it.
Also I am assuming that I should have the dynamic volume option set to OFF??

What could be the pros and cons of using these 2 settings?
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I own the 1713. Are there any video settings that I need to change from the defaults to ensure I am getting the best PQ possible on my ST60?

I have Fios and PS3 running into 1713 out to ST60 ARC via HDMI.
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The 1713 does no video processing. So that would be a no.

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My sub is now set at -1 and still it shut off overnight. Do I need to turn down the volume even further and set it at 0 or +1 to keep it on or should I set it to always on?

I thought that once the sub received a signal again it would turn back on but I need to unplug the LFE cable to get it yo do so.

Sounds like a problem with your subs auto on circuit. You want it to shut off when it doesn't receive a signal and then come back on when it does.

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Sounds like a problem with your subs auto on circuit. You want it to shut off when it doesn't receive a signal and then come back on when it does.

I guess I should just exchange it at BB while I can huh?

Man, not a good start to my first real home audio endevor! My Denon 1713 is getting exchanged as well because of a faulty usb/ipod input. Might as well do it all at the same time I guess.
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Hey all... I have a 2310CI which has a blown HDMI port on the board. I think it got a surge and the HDMI port has audio, but no video. I've swapped devices and cords and identified it as the culprit. It's been a few months now, and I have rigged up cables to 'get by.' The new house I am in doesn't have an easy way for me to run speaker wires to the surrounds (and it isn't pre-wired) so I am hiring some guys to come out and run it outside the house and around the room and back through the wall/etc (it's my only option.) However, I asked them to recommend me a replacement receiver and they suggested the ONKYO TX-NR626. I think they are a licensed provider or something for ONKYO, but said if I wanted to stick with Denon I could buy the receiver myself and they'd gladly hook it up/balance it/etc. (I could do the balancing myself, but its convenient.)

I am unsureif the 2313CI is the spiritual successor to the 2310CI (i assume it is, based on the numbering.) But per the first post, I think that the 2313CI is probably more than what I need. My speakers are below.. I also have 2 outdoor speakers which I'd like set up on a Zone 2, so that I can play music outdoors when I am outside. Is 2113CI the way to go? Is there any reason why I'd want to consider the 2313CI? (Money is not really a problem, but I have no reason to get crazy with the purchase.)

Suggestions?

FL/FR - Paradigm Studio 20 v.3
C - Paradigm Studio CC-470 v.3
BL/BR - Paradigm Studio ADP-470 v.3
Sub: Paradigm Reference Seismic 10

Thanks!

EDIT: Looking at Ubermick's post above, I guess I am in the same situation. Maybe an X2000 would be the way to go, so that I can expand/upgrade my main room to 7.1 at some point, plus the zone 2 with variable volume which would be nice. Definitely not an absolute must, but useful for sure. I have only been reading up on the XX13 models, so I am unsure what I'd be getting into with the X2000 model.
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Try disconnecting all wires/connections to/from the AVR and reconnect.

I disconnected all of the wires from the Denon AVR-1613 and I am still getting the same static noise (pops) during my music. Do I need to bring this back to Best Buy or would I have to send it in to Denon service? Or is there anything else I could do to fix this static problem?
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Give Best Buy a call to see what they will do, although generally if you are outside the initial 15-60 day return period it would have to go to a repair facility; however, in some instances the store has offered to ship the AVR.

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Hey all... I have a 2310CI which has a blown HDMI port on the board. I think it got a surge and the HDMI port has audio, but no video. I've swapped devices and cords and identified it as the culprit. It's been a few months now, and I have rigged up cables to 'get by.' The new house I am in doesn't have an easy way for me to run speaker wires to the surrounds (and it isn't pre-wired) so I am hiring some guys to come out and run it outside the house and around the room and back through the wall/etc (it's my only option.) However, I asked them to recommend me a replacement receiver and they suggested the ONKYO TX-NR626. I think they are a licensed provider or something for ONKYO, but said if I wanted to stick with Denon I could buy the receiver myself and they'd gladly hook it up/balance it/etc. (I could do the balancing myself, but its convenient.)

I am unsureif the 2313CI is the spiritual successor to the 2310CI (i assume it is, based on the numbering.) But per the first post, I think that the 2313CI is probably more than what I need. My speakers are below.. I also have 2 outdoor speakers which I'd like set up on a Zone 2, so that I can play music outdoors when I am outside. Is 2113CI the way to go? Is there any reason why I'd want to consider the 2313CI? (Money is not really a problem, but I have no reason to get crazy with the purchase.)

Suggestions?

FL/FR - Paradigm Studio 20 v.3
C - Paradigm Studio CC-470 v.3
BL/BR - Paradigm Studio ADP-470 v.3
Sub: Paradigm Reference Seismic 10

Thanks!

EDIT: Looking at Ubermick's post above, I guess I am in the same situation. Maybe an X2000 would be the way to go, so that I can expand/upgrade my main room to 7.1 at some point, plus the zone 2 with variable volume which would be nice. Definitely not an absolute must, but useful for sure. I have only been reading up on the XX13 models, so I am unsure what I'd be getting into with the X2000 model.

It's always going to boil down to what features/inputs/outputs you need/want knowing the "CI" AVRs will all have the same Audyssey MultEQ XT and so similar audio fidelity. Review post #2 in this thread as well as the 2013 Denon AVR-E/X Models thread linked in my sig to see whether the 2113CI meets your needs.

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Just got my 2113 all hooked up and running into some issues (denon manual disc wont play, will have to google instruction manual later)

Got my blu ray hooked up to the receiver as well as roku, running a hdmi from receiver to tv.

My center speaker sounds horrible, like listening through a tin can. Vocals sound weird and volume level has to be turned up really high to get it audible.

My center speaker is a Kef Ref 200c I believe. Previously I had my denon 3805 running it no problem (sunfire amp before that also as well). Before I go changing speaker wires and trying to trouble shoot, is there a setting or anything obvious I am missing? Sub and F/L speakers sound good, just not the center. Wondering if the amp can power the center, which I think it shoudl be able to do.


Already plugged in the mic and went though the calibration and it didnt help. It is showing there being a center speaker, just sounding badly.


Any ideas?


Also, how do you turn the front ''main zone offf'' light off so that when not using the receiver it looks shut off?

Any quick refererences for setting up the system as far as speaker size, hz, etc?
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Not at average volume levels no. And should you happen to raise the volume too loud, the unit will shut itself down in protection mode.

Would using the assignable channels to bi-amp help?
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I just ordered a 1713 for my first AVR. Anything important that I should know before setting it up?
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Yup ... read through the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig.

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post #8218 of 10739 Old 06-14-2013, 02:57 AM
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Would using the assignable channels to bi-amp help?

Nope. The speakers will draw what they need to reach your set master volume level and as there is only one power supply to draw from ....

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Just got my 2113 all hooked up and running into some issues (denon manual disc wont play, will have to google instruction manual later)

Got my blu ray hooked up to the receiver as well as roku, running a hdmi from receiver to tv.

My center speaker sounds horrible, like listening through a tin can. Vocals sound weird and volume level has to be turned up really high to get it audible.

My center speaker is a Kef Ref 200c I believe. Previously I had my denon 3805 running it no problem (sunfire amp before that also as well). Before I go changing speaker wires and trying to trouble shoot, is there a setting or anything obvious I am missing? Sub and F/L speakers sound good, just not the center. Wondering if the amp can power the center, which I think it shoudl be able to do.


Already plugged in the mic and went though the calibration and it didnt help. It is showing there being a center speaker, just sounding badly.


Any ideas?


Also, how do you turn the front ''main zone offf'' light off so that when not using the receiver it looks shut off?

Any quick refererences for setting up the system as far as speaker size, hz, etc?

Review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig to ensure you are using Audyssey correctly as well as using either a mic boom stand or camera tripod to support the mic as indicated in your Owner's manual. Try swapping the FL and center to determine if the issue lies with the speaker itself.

Re: "Main zone off" ... you likely have Zone 2 ON so set it to OFF.

Re; Speaker size .... after reviewing the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide, your question will be answered. smile.gif

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Hello guys,

i've just bought my receiver and i'm having a configuration problem. I've connected the receiver to my TV, a samsund led, the tv detected the av receiver as an asynet device and forwarded the output sound to the reveiver. Also i've set on the receiver to have, i don't know how to say it, reverse hdmi channel in order to get sound imputs from the tv. All good dispite the fact that nothing plays from the tv, it acts as it is muted. Any hints?

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