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post #10891 of 11174 Old 12-14-2014, 05:20 PM
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Hey, everybody I need some help with my x4000. I purchased my x4000 in july 2013. Yesterday all of a sudden my x4000 shut off and started blinking red(1/2 second intervals). Now, I read through the forum and saw the suggestion of making sure all the speaker wire is connected properly. I use banana plugs so that isn't an issue. The x400 works for about ten minutes then shuts off. I unplugged all the speaker terminals from the back of the receiver and it still shuts off after a period of time, so I know speaker connection isn't a problem. I reseted the microprocessor and problem still occurs. Are their any other suggestions or would my best bet be to call denon. I bought the receiver in july 2013 so hopefully it is still under warranty

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Nice got it straight from denon, hopefully there customer service is easy to deal with.

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Guys,

I got a denon 1913 with energy take classic. I just bought Klipsch b10 to use as second zone. The speakers are still in the living room and I want to use them for playing music as the take classic isn't up to par. Now i AirPlay my music and works fine. The issue is, the bass doesn't work. Anyway to fix this? If not, is there anyway I can get bass out of the klipsch? Also, I can't change the sound mode on zone 2. You know how u hold the music button and you get option for prologic and stuff..
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There is no sound mode on Zone 2, rather the speakers simply get full range audio (ie. no subwoofer). If you are using the B10's for music only, you'll want to set them as "Front B" in AMP ASSIGN rather than "Zone 2". You can then set Front Speakers to "B" and still use the sub when listening to music.

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okay, so today i went out and bought two Klipsch RC600 http://www.futureshop.ca/en-ca/produ...d784207095en02

Specs are on the link..

Now, i use those 2 as front, and i left my centre, and rear surrounds from my take classics. I gotta be honest, the sound is good but it's not like what i heard at the store. It feels like my take classic setup was the same. I ran the auddesy setup and it did its thing, but the audio isn't crazy different.. is something wrong in the setup? i have to almost go up to 70volume level to hear loud. When i play music, even at 70 it isn't pounding heavy in the house.. if i have full house of people, i don't think it would be loud enough..

the auddesy setup the speakers are follow:
Front:full range/-3.5db
centre: yes 100hz/-2.5db
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sub: -7.5db

can i do something to change things up??
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Nothing abnormal about the volume level nor your final settings, although you'll want to reset the FL/FR speakers to SMALL/80Hz in Manual Setup as you have a dedicated sub to handle the lower frequencies. Doing so won't impact Audyssey so don't have to run Audyssey again just for that; however, you'll likely want to run Audyssey at least 2-3 more times using slightly different mic positions each time all within 1-2' of the 1st mic position as each Audyssey run will likely provide a slightly different final result.

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Also, try bumping up the sub trim (in the AVR) a few db. Most folks prefer the sub a bit hotter than Audyssey does.

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Nothing abnormal about the volume level nor your final settings, although you'll want to reset the FL/FR speakers to SMALL/80Hz in Manual Setup as you have a dedicated sub to handle the lower frequencies. Doing so won't impact Audyssey so don't have to run Audyssey again just for that; however, you'll likely want to run Audyssey at least 2-3 more times using slightly different mic positions each time all within 1-2' of the 1st mic position as each Audyssey run will likely provide a slightly different final result.
wow, so i'm guessing it's the avr that can't provide enough power?

i mean, it is good, but i wanted it even louder. I wanted to hear crisp clean water drop..

what if i put the front and surrounds DB level to +2
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Have you maxed out the master volume and it's still not loud enough for you??

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Have you maxed out the master volume and it's still not loud enough for you??
I didn't max it. Not sure what the max is on the receiver. But I'm scared to max it incase I blow the speakers or damage the subs. I feel safer hearing loud audio around 74 with the db higher.
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wow, so i'm guessing it's the avr that can't provide enough power?

i mean, it is good, but i wanted it even louder. I wanted to hear crisp clean water drop..

what if i put the front and surrounds DB level to +2
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I didn't max it. Not sure what the max is on the receiver. But I'm scared to max it incase I blow the speakers or damage the subs. I feel safer hearing loud audio around 74 with the db higher.
Why would you guess that if you haven't even raised it to a safe max volume (ie. 80)?

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Yeah, the number on the MV doesn't matter a whit....as long as it can get "too loud" for you, you're good to go.

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Hey everyone (maybe in particular jdsmoothie ) I own the Denon 2112ci model that I got for $219. At a local best buy there is an open box 2113CI for $238. It doesn't have the remote so I would have to purchase that for $30. So, it would actually be $268. The only differences I can really tell between the two is the hijacking of Airplay that exists on the 2112 CI. Other than that, is there any reason why I should pay the differential to get the 2113? Let me know if I'm missing something. Thanks so much!
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Not really unless there is some feature on the 2113CI you want (eg. 4k) and you could get the full value you paid for the 2112CI.

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okay, so i returned the floor speaker as the wife didn't like those big things in the living room. I ended up getting the RB 61 II and RC 52 II for the centre.

Now, the RB 61II is 100W RMS and the RC52II is 125W RMS. both 8 ohms. My avr1913 pushes 90RMS each channel and not sure about the ohms How will i know that i am pushing it too much?? like what which point when i turn up the volume should i stop?

I am also temporarily running the take classic rears and the sub.

Here is the audessey setup:

The distance seems pretty accurate

Front: Small
Center: Small
Subwoofer: Yes
Surround: Small

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Front L: -4.0db
Front R: -5.5db
Center: -8.5db
Subwoofer: -12db (i had it set to 60% during setup)

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Front: 80hz
Center: 60hz
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Lower the sub to about 25% and run Audyssey again. The goal is to not have the sub set to -12db. After Audyssey you can then boost the level about 3-5db to suit your preference if you prefer a little more bass. Even at loud volume levels, the speakers on average will only be drawing about 5W/CH. You'll likely reach a volume that is too loud for your wife much sooner than you reach the max safe volume level on the AVR (ie. 80).

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Lower the sub to about 25% and run Audyssey again. The goal is to not have the sub set to -12db. After Audyssey you can then boost the level about 3-5db to suit your preference if you prefer a little more bass. Even at loud volume levels, the speakers on average will only be drawing about 5W/CH. You'll likely reach a volume that is too loud for your wife much sooner than you reach the max safe volume level on the AVR (ie. 80).

Okay thanks. Could I increase the db on the fronts and centre by 2-3? Also is 60hz okay for centre channel?
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After running Audyssey, you can change volume (up/down) of any speakers/sub you want to as well as raising crossover from 60Hz to 80Hz (only if doing so you notice a favorable difference). Making these changes doesn't impact the Audyssey EQ.

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After running Audyssey, you can change volume (up/down) of any speakers/sub you want to as well as raising crossover from 60Hz to 80Hz (only if doing so you notice a favorable difference). Making these changes doesn't impact the Audyssey EQ.
thank you so much for all your help.

I played Captain america winter soldier last night. I watched about half hour and holyyyyyyy.. i noticed so much more audio and sound which i didn't notice before. It's much crisp now. I must admit that i need a way better sub as the current energy sub woofer isn't doing it.

One final question, once i complete the audyssey ssetup, it asks me if i want to enable dynamic eq.. i'm not sure what that is and i select "no". should i select yes? what does that do. and can i turn it on/off at a later time if i want to?
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Yes, generally you want to set Dynamic EQ (boosts sub/surrounds at lower volume levels) to YES and Dynamic Volume (levels soft and loud audio) to NO (except maybe for TV/late night viewing); however, both settings can be accessed and changed in the GUI.

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Sooooooo last night i watched my first full movie with the new setup. WOW!! audio is incredible. MAN i loved it. felt like i was in a theatre and the volume was only at 60. It was so loud!! the details and clarity was amazing. I'm so happy with the purchase and setup. Thanks jd for all your help again. sooo satisfied. Next purchase will be the subwoofer. Looking at SVS SB2000 and then finally the rears.
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Here is my issue I just got an X4000 refurbished from Accessories4less, less than a week old. When you play it for awhile at even moderate volumes it will start to distort. Although volume doesn't seem to have anything to do with the distortion.


It seems to clear up if you switch to Direct or Pure Direct for a bit than back to Stereo or unplug for a couple minutes. It is intermittent so I can't really reproduce it at will or get rid of it consistently. It seems the processor gets confused. I have not tried the microprocessor reset, my new center comes today and I will running Audyssey again so I will do the multiple resets tonight or tomorrow.


The distortion is most obvious on voices, it will sound like a bad mike connection. The GUI seems fine, although it sometime the sound gets badly out of phase and the music can become discordant and out of tempo in an odd way. This out of phase only occurs when Audyssey is on, the gravely voices can occur regardless of Audyssey or Direct settings. At first I thought I had a speaker issue but it is definitely the AVR. Any advice besides the microprocessor resets and RMA?

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Hi All,
Just setting up a newly purchased 3313 (bought an ex-demo in online auction). Initially set up with just FL and FR and worked fine. However when I add a center and subwoofer I can't get any sound out of either (FL and FR still work). Have reset, and rerun Audyssey multiple times and it can't detect either. Have checked, and rechecked cables and they are fine. Centre speaker works if I hook it up to FL, so not the speaker. Sub is brand new, so never heard it work but unlikely it is the problem. If I skip the auto setup and manually add the speakers and then switch the sound mode to a multi-channel option (source is HDMI cable tv) then the centre and sub light up on the front panel but still no sound.

Is it just that I've bought a lemon and the amps for the added speakers aren't working? Or is there some hidden switch that forces my 7.2 amp to run as 2 channel only?..

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Try powering off the AVR and unplug for 10 minutes. Do at least 4-5 resets in a row and if still no joy ... take it back.

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calibrating my TV

And after owning my 2113 for over a year just noticed the denon brightness control set to 0 is clipping the blacks

I moved it up to 1 and it seems to stop clipping the blacks

Is that right and moving to 1 fixes it.

I was doing a below video black test and every test bar below video blacks was missing until I set the denon brightness to 1

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Receiver - Denon AVR 1513
Projector - Optoma (works with anything plugged directly into it, just not the Denon)

So all of a sudden, I cant get my projector to get a signal from this Denon receiver anymore.

I have BluRay, Comcast HD, and Playstation all plugged into it. There is 30' cord that goes into wall and to the ceiling where the Projector is.

If I plug in individual devices directly to the projector, it will see them and show video (and sound from projector), but go back to everything plugged into the Denon base unit, and the projector just keeps scanning for a signal. (runs through HDMI, Composite, VGA, SVideo, RGA until it grabs). Usually when I turn the projector on, it would detect the receiver and display whatever I had it tuned to.

Now, I cant get this thing to work at all. To watch anything, I have to plug the projector HDMI directly into the device, and plug in white/red audio into the Denon receiver so I can get sound.

Any ideas what I can do? I have tried microprocessor reset.

I could plug external monitor into it if I have to, to change settings.
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Originally Posted by Nafizur View Post
okay, so today i went out and bought two Klipsch RC600 http://www.futureshop.ca/en-ca/produ...d784207095en02

Specs are on the link..

Now, i use those 2 as front, and i left my centre, and rear surrounds from my take classics. I gotta be honest, the sound is good but it's not like what i heard at the store. It feels like my take classic setup was the same. I ran the auddesy setup and it did its thing, but the audio isn't crazy different.. is something wrong in the setup? i have to almost go up to 70volume level to hear loud. When i play music, even at 70 it isn't pounding heavy in the house.. if i have full house of people, i don't think it would be loud enough..

the auddesy setup the speakers are follow:
Front:full range/-3.5db
centre: yes 100hz/-2.5db
Surround: small 80z/-1.5db
sub: -7.5db

can i do something to change things up??

Naf,


Not sure if you're still having your "low volume" issue with your Denon, but do me a favor -- try these settings and report back to me:


Front Left: +6dB
Center: +8dB
Front Right: +6dB
Surround Right: +6dB
Surround Left: +6dB
Leave the Sub somewhere at like +2 or +3dB...


NOW -- this is important: Depending on where your surrounds are placed around your seating position, you may need to tweak those levels...in other words, if one surround channel is closer to your ear, LOWER that one to audibly (as best you can) "match" the output of the other surround...in my setup, one of my surrounds match my front channel levels (+6dB) while the other is at +3 because it's closer to my seating position than the other (they're in-ceiling surrounds). Ideally, ALL speakers should be EQUIDISTANT from you, but this isn't always ideal in every room (and rarely ever is)...

5.1:
ONKYO TX-SR605B - oppo BDP-83 - SONY KDS-50A2020 SXRD
polkaudio RTi12 - polkaudio CSi30 - SpeakerCraft Preinstalled In-Ceiling Surrounds - polkaudio PSW350
2-CHANNEL:
ONKYO TX-8555 - marantz CC-4001 - TASCAM CD-RW900SL - Numark CDMIX 1 - Infinity PRIMUS P363BK - audio-technica AT-LP120USB
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