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You'll need to step up to the 2313CI or 3313CI if you want dual HDMI Monitor Out jacks or simply using an HDMI splitter connected to a lower level model.

Powered Zone 2: 7.1 AVR which can use 5 channels to power the main zone speakers and 2 channels to power Zone 2 speakers (in another room, eg. back patio or deck)

Zone 2 Preouts: Must connect RCA cables to these jacks and an external amp to power Zone 2 speakers. 1713 is only a 5.1 AVR so if you want to add Zone 2 (ie 2 more channels) you do so by adding a 2CH external amp. On the "CI" models that are both 7.1 and have Zone 2 preouts, you can run 7.1 in the main zone and by adding a 2CH amp you can power the Zone 2 speakers.

Another way to use Zone 2 without adding speakers to another room, is by using wireless headphones. You can have something playing in the main zone (ie someone watching a movie) while using Zone 2 (via wireless headphones) to listen to internet radio, Pandora, etc.

Wondering, does this work to wirelessly stream to another location; in ohter words, does it need to be "headphones"?

How is the wireless signal transmitted to the headphones?

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Spotify has an app for iPhones and iPads so does that mean Airplay will work with Spotify?

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I'm wondering if you're answering someone else, jd..

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Wondering, does this work to wirelessly stream to another location; in ohter words, does it need to be "headphones"?

How is the wireless signal transmitted to the headphones?

Yes to another location and no to only headphones, just as long as you've got a "powered" speaker. Something like this would work just as well. The Zone 2 preouts are connected to a wireless transmitter (via 3.5mm to RCA cable in the case of the Amazon setup) which sends the audio to the wireless speaker/headphones. I use Sennheiser RS-140 (discontinued), however, they make a good line of wireless headphones.

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So what is the concensus of 2312CI vs. 2313CI - not worth the extra money? I have a price quote near $500 for a 2312CI. Want to make my decision today if I should upgrade from my 6 year old HK AVR635 to the 2312CI or just keep what I have......

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So what is the concensus of 2312CI vs. 2313CI - not worth the extra money? I have a price quote near $500 for a 2312CI. Want to make my decision today if I should upgrade from my 6 year old HK AVR635 to the 2312CI or just keep what I have......

As is always the case, depends on what your feature/input/output requirements are and if there's something you want that the newer model offers not found on the older model as well as what you're looking to improve from what the 635 offers.

Comparison of the 2312CI/2313CI here --> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post22010563

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Yes to another location and no to only headphones, just as long as you've got a "powered" speaker. Something like this would work just as well. The Zone 2 preouts are connected to a wireless transmitter (via 3.5mm to RCA cable in the case of the Amazon setup) which sends the audio to the wireless speaker/headphones. I use Sennheiser RS-140 (discontinued), however, they make a good line of wireless headphones.

http://www.sennheiserusa.com/wireles...eadphones-home

That's pretty cool. I think i'll be doing that with my 2312ci. I know this is the XX13 thread but it came up and still applies to either I suppose. There appears to be only one speaker? Is it mono?

The amazon link even has the 3.5mm to RCA adaptor as a suggested but together.. Maybe because of their algorythms and the fact that I still have several Denon AVR's in my Cart or mabye just because.. Who knows but it is a bit creapy..

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Nah .. just one of the features that Amazon offers as most folks require the adapter cable.
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Getting happier by the day in my decision to not put out $300+ in fixing my 889 but rather upgrading it for just a few clams more.

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Sammy,
Any audio improvement from the 889? Is there thing you like better on your old 889?
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I haven't finished set up yet.. Haven't even run Audyssey but I've tweaked speaker settings quickly to closely match SPL and distance. I know I won't have time to get to this until this weekend at the earliest. We're in the middle of a remodel of our master bedroom and I'm the labor so that takes precedence or I'll be moving into the doghouse.

One thing I noticed is that it is 4½ pounds lighter than the 889. As set up now it sounds about the same as my 889 when I didn't run audyssey between multiple processor resets to try to get the HDMI working correctly again just a few weeks ago but you can't really remember with accuracy what you heard. The 889 had powered Zone 2 speaker posts (9 pair total) but I didn't use them because I have a 7.1 system and there was only 7 amps. The 23XX has line level out which I will be using in tandum with the android app for a set of speakers outside or maybe in the new master bedroom.

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I haven't finished set up yet.. Haven't even run Audyssey but I've tweaked speaker settings quickly to closely match SPL and distance. I know I won't have time to get to this until this weekend at the earliest. We're in the middle of a remodel of our master bedroom and I'm the labor so that takes precedence or I'll be moving into the doghouse.

One thing I noticed is that it is 4½ pounds lighter than the 889. As set up now it sounds about the same as my 889 when I didn't run audyssey between multiple processor resets to try to get the HDMI working correctly again just a few weeks ago but you can't really remember with accuracy what you heard. The 889 had powered Zone 2 speaker posts (9 pair total) but I didn't use them because I have a 7.1 system and there was only 7 amps. The 23XX has line level out which I will be using in tandum with the android app for a set of speakers outside or maybe in the new master bedroom.

These really are better posted in the XX12 Owner's thread.

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I know.. I admitted it and that is why I left off the m.y. there..

I'm Sorry.

EDIT: BTW, from what I see these particular items of discussion are the same for either m.y.

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Looks like I am going for the 1913.

Thanks guys for clarifying some of my questions. I am excited about the new purchases!

And I enjoy spotify, but yea everyone kinda has a ipod/ipad/iphone.
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Looks like I am going for the 1913.

Thanks guys for clarifying some of my questions. I am excited about the new purchases!

And I enjoy spotify, but yea everyone kinda has a ipod/ipad/iphone.

Congrats!!

Well, not everybody because that would include me and I don't have an iAnything. My wife has and iPhone 4s, though.
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Following the format I used for the 33xx models, here's a detailed comparison of 2312ci vs. 2313ci:

LINK TO DENON SPEC SHEET COMPARISON

The same:

* Same size, same power (105w/ch x 7)
* The input/output allocation is nearly identical:
--- Both have 7 speaker posts and dual subwoofer RCA pre-outs
--- Both have 1 front HDMI input, 1 front USB input, and front panel RCA input (R/L stereo + composite video)
--- Both have 2 assignable component video inputs + 1 output
--- Both have 2 digital coax + 2 optical audio inputs (all assignable)
--- Both have Zone 2 pre-outs and one analog REC OUT
--- Both have RS-232, one 12v trigger out, and room-to-room IR jacks
--- Both have 5 rear analog audio inputs (excluding the "DOCK" input that disappears)
--- Both have 3 rear composite video inputs and 2 outputs
* Both have "advanced GUI" and analog>HDMI video conversion
* Both have networking with Airplay support etc.
* Same DAC's and ADC and DSP chips
* Both have the Audyssey MultEQ XT + Dyn EQ/Vol

2313ci losses vs. 2312ci:

* One fewer rear HDMI input (5 instead of 6)
* No more iPod "Dock" input with control port (obsoleted by Airplay + USB options)
* No more S-video inputs
* Networking drops Rhapsody / Napster support
* New "simplified" remote cannot be programmed to control other devices
* No more AM radio tuner

2313ci gains vs. 2312ci:

* Dual HDMI outputs (parallel, can only output the same source)
* 4k video scaling
* AirPlay independent to Zone 2
* Audyssey DSX
* SiriusXM and Spotify (coming via firmware update later this summer)

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Probably wrong forum but what is Audyssey DSX? All the others are tweaks that don't matter to me in getting the 2312 but that one I'm not sure about.

Also is the amp power shown above correct for the 23XX?

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Probably wrong forum but what is Audyssey DSX?

allright here it comes!: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=audyssey+dsx

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Also is the amp power shown above correct for the 23XX?

it is now

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Oh. How's that differ from the front wide and front height in current AVR's? I'm not moving my speakers again, though. I'm sticking with rears in my 7.1.

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Oh. How's that differ from the front wide and front height in current AVR's?

It doesn't (at least for current AVR's that use DSX, Pioneer and I think Yamaha have their own proprietary "wide speaker" processing).

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It doesn't, but the 33XXCI series was previously the lowest series with DSX ... this year it moves down to the 2313CI.

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EDIT: BTW, from what I see these particular items of discussion are the same for either m.y.

The point is you have a 2312CI model and this is the XX13 thread. You are better served posting in that thread where other XX12 Owner's can take advantage of your posts as well.

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The point is you have a 2312CI model and this is the XX13 thread. You are better served posting in that thread where other XX12 Owner's can take advantage of your posts as well.

Okay. I will do it differently next time to help keep the threads clean. If it applies to both will only focus on it as occurs for that particular M.Y. the applicable thread... maybe x-linked between them. The thing is that the question will help those looking at the XX13 but because it is in this thread those looking at the XX12 may not pick it up.

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It doesn't, but the 33XXCI series was previously the lowest series with DSX ... this year it moves down to the 2313CI.

As I see it DSX applies additional filters to Dolby PLIIz? Or does it do its thing even without PLIIz? I couldn't find that in the time I spent looking at it on Audyssey's website.

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^^

DD PLIIz - front height only (Dolby's technology)

DSX - front height and front wide (Audyssey's technology)


In regards to the front height speakers, these are competing techologies. The front height positions for each technology are in different locations.

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Okay. I will do it differently next time to help keep the threads clean. If it applies to both will only focus on it as occurs for that particular M.Y. the applicable thread... maybe x-linked between them. The thing is that the question will help those looking at the XX13 but because it is in this thread those looking at the XX12 may not pick it up.

The thing is that the XX12 thread is almost a year old and virtually every question you ask has already been discussed in that thread ... using "Search This Thread" would likely get you answers much quicker. Let's let the XX13 owners ask the questions as they apply to their models.

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Thanks.. that is concise. Bet Audyssey's solution is superior. Nice feature to move down a notch on the 2313ci.

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As I see it DSX applies additional filters to Dolby PLIIz? Or does it do its thing even without PLIIz? I couldn't find that in the time I spent looking at it on Audyssey's website.

It has absolutely nothing to do with PLIIz. You obviously spent a lot of time looking.

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