Originally Posted by batpig
so the S-video inputs for LaserDisc are a huge loss, but the yellow composite video inputs are "stupid"? How arbitrary are you? Perhaps you should contact Denon and have them custom design a receiver for YOUR needs (S-video GOOD, composite video BAAAAD) and see what they say?
In the end, that's what everyone wants. Everyone thinks that what they personally need is how the receiver should be. And what each person needs depends upon whether they have all new equipment or whether they have legacy equipment and how much.
But there does come a time when the legacy inputs/outputs gotta' go. Because IMO, one of the reasons why the A/V market is a tiny fraction of what it used to be is because the user-interface and configuration of these A/V receivers is a nightmare for the average person. I'm an ex-recording engineer and I can't figure out what half the functionality does. What the A/V manufacturers have done is the equivalent as if computers still had the original gigantic parallel and serial ports. I think the original parallel printer plug was about half the size of my entire iPhone.
One way of looking at it is breaking down the market into three categories: a) the user who has tons of both new and legacy equipment and needs every possible input and output. So those people will still want all of the composite, s-video (even though they're mostly gone) and component video and they'll still want a bunch of analog audio as well as digital coax and optical, etc. even though I bet they're not using most of it.
b) the user who is new to all this and only has new equipment. They really only need HDMI. If they're also a vinyl enthusiast, maybe they also need the phono input. Possibly, they want to use the analog output of the BD player for music listening. So in that case, they also need at least one analog audio input on the receiver. So that means HDMI, one analog audio input and a phono input.
c) the user in the middle: they've been around a while and need both old and new, but they primarily have new equipment. But the question is, do they need more than one s-video, one component and one composite video input? (In my personal case, all I need is the s-video, which my receiver doesn't even have and that need is only temporary until I finally copy my personal VHS tapes of stuff that isn't available in other formats somewhere).
But then there are two more breakdowns: someone with a home vs. someone in an apartment.
For the most part, someone in a typical small city apartment doesn't need all of the Zone stuff. I sure don't. But if you have a big house with a basement and a backyard, etc., you sure might need the zone stuff. Personally, if I were in that situation, I think I'd find it easier to buy a small receiver for each location rather than wiring up the house (unless it was new construction). But I really have to wonder whether those analog video outs make any sense any more? Who watches analog video?
However, all those combinations I just came up with constitute six different models. (And there's obviously others). So rather than come up with six different models at each price range, the receiver manufacturers instead just pretty much build in everything to almost all the models, except that most have removed s-Video and many have removed multichannel audio In (and some the Out) at the lower end of the line. And some manufacturers, like Onkyo have never had audio digital outs anyway. I don't think anyone has coax digital outs, but many have optical digital outs. And I think that's how it's going to stay for a while unless someone comes up with true customization (much farther than NAD has gone) where you can buy various cards with analog or digital audio or video ins and outs, etc. and plug them in.