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I have got the Yamaha Aventage RX-A3000.
What are some good upgrades over this? I don't know my budget 100% but I'm guessing $2k - $3k.

I like everything about the receiver except it has a problem with my directv and I am just bored with it.

My speakers are mk lcr750 and surr55 tripoles. SVS sub. But I'm bored with these speakers too and want to upgrade. Speaker budget could be up to maybe $3.5k for 5.0.

I'm limited to places that take my GE credit.
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Well since my avr and directv don't like each other I want to sell my 3000 and upgrade.
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IMO, the receiver with the best sound quality of any receiver on the market is the Cambridge 650R. It is only $1800, but blows away most $3000 receivers. More REAL power from all 7 channels, and less distortion; great sound quality.

I suggest that you read the Home Theater magazine review of it.

For speakers, I suggest that you consider the KEF Q900, Q300, and Q600c. You can get those from KEF Direct for around $3000. They are pretty hard to beat.

The Q900 and the PSB Image T6 are definitely the best floorstanding speakers for under $2000 IMO, and I have listened to quite a few of the ones on the market. Stereophile did recent reviews on both of them, which can give you some useful information to consider.




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I have got the Yamaha Aventage RX-A3000.
What are some good upgrades over this? I don't know my budget 100% but I'm guessing $2k - $3k.

I like everything about the receiver except it has a problem with my directv and I am just bored with it.

My speakers are mk lcr750 and surr55 tripoles. SVS sub. But I'm bored with these speakers too and want to upgrade. Speaker budget could be up to maybe $3.5k for 5.0.

I'm limited to places that take my GE credit.

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Thanks. I'll look at the receiver review right now.
I just put up my Yamaha online with my denon avr1800 included for free.

Edit.
Didn't like the limited hdmi inputs for cambridge.

I am thinking Emotiva new processor and XPA-5 amp. But I have no idea how good that would be for sound compared to Denon, Marantz, Integra, NAD, Rotel, Onkyo, and finally Adcom.

I used to have in the 90s, like 93 or so, the Adcom GFA555II amp and an Adcom pre amp. Don't remember which pre amp. And I had the Adcom processor for surround sound Dolby pro logic, 5 channel stereo one. That sucked from constantly blowing fuses. In service 3 times I think. Well I loved the pre amp and amp.

I like the sound of the NAD T757 better then the Rotel $2600 receiver. Better then Integra and Pioneer too. But too feature limited.

So this is where I'm at now.
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Well I sold my receiver today.
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With a budget like that you should get a solid $1k avr, maybe the new onkyo 818 with XT32, and then add a real amp to it, like the emotiva xpa5, or one of the 7 channel outlaw amps.
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With a budget like that you should get a solid $1k avr, maybe the new onkyo 818 with XT32, and then add a real amp to it, like the emotiva xpa5, or one of the 7 channel outlaw amps.

Really? What would that do for me?
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Well I read the home theater review of the outlaw 7125 and it sounds good. So I could consider that.
I have right now an integra dtr40.3 I am borrowing from upstairs till I get a new receiver. Would the outlaw be good to add on to the 40.3? Bt I would get a processor later to use with the outlaw and return the 40.3 back upstairs. But then I have no clue what processor.
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Really? What would that do for me?
Thanks.

You can go ahead and pick out a new receiver but I wouldn't get an amp until you figure out what speakers you are going to get. You might not even need an amp depending on what you get and what your listening habits are. It's too early to recommend the 818 for me but it does look promising if Onkyo has figured out their quality control issues they have been having. The Denon 4311 is very solid or you could wait till the 4250 is announced and see what it has to offer over the 4311. I would also look at the Anthem MRX receivers.
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You can go ahead and pick out a new receiver but I wouldn't get an amp until you figure out what speakers you are going to get. You might not even need an amp depending on what you get and what your listening habits are. It's too early to recommend the 818 for me but it does look promising if Onkyo has figured out their quality control issues they have been having. The Denon 4311 is very solid or you could wait till the 4250 is announced and see what it has to offer over the 4311. I would also look at the Anthem MRX receivers.

Right now I already have
M&K lcr750 for front 3 and M&K surr55 tripole surround with SVS pc12 525watt one. But I plan to upgrade those too in the future.
I like the idea of a processor and amp. Because I don't know of any receiver out right now that I would want to keep for several years.
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Right now I already have
M&K lcr750 for front 3 and M&K surr55 tripole surround with SVS pc12 525watt one. But I plan to upgrade those too in the future.
I like the idea of a processor and amp. Because I don't know of any receiver out right now that I would want to keep for several years.

I can see that but it just seems like you have to pay so much more for a processor that has the same or less features than a much cheaper receiver. I don't know much about the Emotiva XMC-1 but I know they had a lot of issues with their last pre-pro. Hopefully they learned their lesson. I think the new Onkyo 3010 and 5010 (I guess that's what they will be called) will probably be pretty nice as the 818 is already loaded. The 4520 will also by pretty packed with features so there are plenty of options on the horizon if you stick it out with the 40.3 for a while. It will also be interesting to see what Marantz comes out with because they had the av7005 a couple years ago and I have heard there is going to be a 7007 this year. I'm not sure if that's just the receiver or if they will have a pre-pro version as well.
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That's why you buy the cheapest receiver with all the features you need, and add a power amp. You can drive any future set of speakers for the life of the amp, and when you need to upgrade to the latest features you simply add the newest cheapest receiver with the features you need.

As someone who's been in this hobby for a long time, it gives you the most for your money year after year.
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What about the Arcam AVR360?
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Ok. I'm thinking maybe arcam avr360,
Denon 3313ci,
Marantz sr7005
Marantz sr6006

Is the 6006 newer then 7005? Better or worse?
I wish there was higher denon then 3313ci. I mean newer then 4000 series as the 4311ci seems like its from 2010 I think.
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IMO, the receiver with the best sound quality of any receiver on the market is the Cambridge 650R. It is only $1800, but blows away most $3000 receivers. More REAL power from all 7 channels, and less distortion; great sound quality.

I suggest that you read the Home Theater magazine review of it.



And has no network features.... No room correction.... Nada.. I too can sit on a toilet and read magazines all day long just like you.

Op...
Buy a nice avr with the features and room correction your interested in. If you need more power, just add an amp. Chances are you won't need to. A true upgrade over the A3000 is a Denon 4311ci
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And has no network features.... No room correction.... Nada.. I too can sit on a toilet and read magazines all day long just like you.

Op...
Buy a nice avr with the features and room correction your interested in. If you need more power, just add an amp. Chances are you won't need to. A true upgrade over the A3000 is a Denon 4311ci

Thanks.
I'm not getting the 4311. It's too old and expensive at $2k plus. No one here sells it anyway.
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Ok. Update...

I am going to Magnolia audio video tomorrow morning right when they open. They said they have the Marantz SR7005 and the Arcam AVR360. He recommended the Arcam. I'll check out everything they have for $2k and less. If they have the Denon 4311ci then I will check it out as well. So I won't count that one out.
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^^
problem with Magnolia is none of their receivers are properly calibrated (Audessey, YPAO, etc) so they might not sound good at all.
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problem with Magnolia is none of their receivers are properly calibrated (Audessey, YPAO, etc) so they might not sound good at all.

I don't want any calibration in the store. I want basic flat sound. Which sounds best is what I get. Depending on cost and features of course.

And I don't like Audessey.. I tried it on our integra and the center channel got worse with s ch etc. way higher pitch. Sucked. So I don't use that upstairs.

That Cambridge avr is a joke. No features. I wouldn't even take it for free. Or I would then turn around and sell it. Forgive me please to the one who mentioned it. Just not enough features.

I also want to see what kind of 5.0 setup I could get for $2k and then $3k and then $3.5k. I'd sell my M&K speakers to upgrade. Hoping I'd get at least $2k for my set.

I'm going to take with me my 3 front M&K speakers and see how receivers sound on them since I own those speakers. Then I'll check out some 5.0 set and see how they compare to my M&K. If they're better I might want to just keep borrowing the integra from upstairs and sell my M&K.

Then get a new avr later.
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Well I just got home a half hr ago or so.
I bought the Arcam AVR360. Almost bought the B&W CM5 too.

I played music from my iPod using the Marantz SR7005 using the B&W CM5. My jaw was floored. Those bookshelfs are incredible. The m1 or something was next to it. Black bookshelf with diamond tweeter one. I preferred the CM5 a little. Louder and a bit brighter but not much. Both speakers were amazing and even sounded better then the cm8 floor standing. Placement I think. But oh wow the bass and sound was clean.

Went into the other room and heard the B&W CM1 I think on the Arcam. Sounded awesome too. But I didn't do an a/b receiver test with same speakers. So I just decided to take home the Arcam AVR360 and try it. Great looking receiver the Arcam.

I got out of bed yesterday 5pm and it is 2:03pm now. I couldn't sleep. Too excited I guess. And my mind literally never stopped racing thoughts. Not for 5 minutes. Man that sucks.

The CM5 were open box, perfect cosmetic condition. $1250 pair. He offered to give me the stands free too. But I was short about $470. I was going to get the Arcam and the open box B&W CM5 with stands but was $470 short. So I got the Arcam for now.

I just got done eating jack in the box and just got the Arcam out of the box. I'm relaxing now a bit before I do anything with the Arcam.

Man my gosh those B&W CM5s are incredible. Wowzers.
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Sorry buggs but I would gone with the speakers for sure and left the arcam. They will have a much bigger impact on sound quality than any receiver will. I used a Denon 1508 that I got for $75 with my Paradigm Studio 20s and they sounded amazing. Those open box speakers should come with the full warrenty so I wouldn't have passed them up if you loved them that much.
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+1 ^^^

get the speakers. Return the Arcam
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I third the recommendation... Get those speakers and return the arcam. The arcam isn't anything special.
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If OP returns the Arcam, and gets the B&W speakers, he will have a whole lot os speakers and no avr cuz he sold off his old avr already
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If OP returns the Arcam, and gets the B&W speakers, he will have a whole lot os speakers and no avr cuz he sold off his old avr already

Welp, the denon 3312ci is on sale at EE for under $700. Problem solved.
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If OP returns the Arcam, and gets the B&W speakers, he will have a whole lot os speakers and no avr cuz he sold off his old avr already

LOLOLOL.
I used my mothers best buy card and had no permission to get speakers. But I thought about it and say mom, just listen to them and you'll understand. Lol. But I wanted to do the right think.

I would have had an avr in the integra DTR 40.3. My old denon avr1082 is upstairs.
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I used my mothers best buy card and had no permission to get speakers.

Are you a teenager?
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No, he's a typical AVS male...35 and still living at home.

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No, he's a typical AVS male...35 and still living at home.

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I'm 37. Aspergers syndrome, minor, ADHD, minor, Tourette syndrome, very minor, OCD, depression, anxiety, maybe bipolar but if yes then very minor, but I control my ups and downs better, maybe couple other things I forget. No one would know unless I told them so I'm fortunate big time everything is minor.

I took my mk lcr750 and compared them to the B&W CM5. I kept the Arcam. My speakers were a little more bright, I like that. And of course less bass. Sound on general was too close to call. So I kept the Arcam. But the Arcam is so limited with pretty much no features I'm going to go back and compare the GUI with the marantz sr7005 and compare the sound.

The Arcam sounds better and warmer a bit then the integra dtr40.3 so I'm now thinking about selling the integra even though I just bought it in mid April on 6 month no interest. My denon avr1082 is a bit less bright then the integra and will do fine till I get some stuff paid off. I'm not sure though.

I like the Arcam sound just not features so limited and no backlight on remote or it's very small and only after you push a button. Remote sucks. No features sucks. Sound is ok so hmm.
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^ Still does not explain why u are using MOM's credit card.....

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^ Still does not explain why u are using MOM's credit card.....

Doesn't matter why. That has nothing to do with anything.

I'm taking the Arcam back. It is dropping audio like crazy while im trying to listen to music via my Xbox 360 and a pc. The music plays 2 channel only and the Arcam won't let me change it. How inexcusable. I want to change the output to either 5 channel stereo or pro logic music and it only plays it in 2 channel and there's no way to change it. The arcam falls flat on its face with lack of features and the remote sucks too.

I like my lcr750 better then the B&W cm5 too.
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