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Why would you have to pay $400 to return it? I originally bought an Amazon warehouse deal. It came with a dent near a back corner. I returned it and got a full credit back (no shipping charges, fees, etc deducted). That said, if you got one when they were under $600 and Amazon is willing to take another $200 off, that's a great price if everything is working and you don't mind the cosmetic damage. You'll need to buy an Audyssey mic though which I think sells for $30-40.

I do not have to pay $400. I was not clear. I would get the $400 I paid back on my credit card and they would send me another open box Onkyo. I would not get the extra $200 though. For $200, I think I should just keep it unless I run into an issue before the 30 days return window is up. I am also worried the next open box 818 could get damaged as many people on slickdeals are reporting multiple instances of damaged open boxed Onkyo's being shipped from Amazon. BTW, watched Life of Pi on it and I have to say, it's so much better than the 805 it is replacing. So many setup options, the sound DSPs are awesome, the on screen display is so much easier to use, runs so much cooler, and this is all without Audyssey having been run yet. Can't wait until I get the mic and can check that out. I highly recommend the 818 over the 809!!!
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Didn't Onkyo fix the lack of gap less music through a firmware update? One reviewer on Amazon said you're supposed to directly request the firmware update from Onkyo to fix this issue:

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR818-7-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/product-reviews/B007JOO4XE/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0


This is news to me, anyone else know anything about the gapless fix?
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Thank you. As a new member of this hobby I am glad I wasn't there to experience Onkyo's defective products of the past. I suppose I came into this hobby at the right time. I've been watching the Onkyo 818 closely for a little while and I will probably wait a tad longer to see if OneCall drops their open box under the $700 range since new ones are selling for $800.

One more thing. The Onkyo TX-NR809 seems to be essentially the same kind of receiver except it has a lesser version of the Audyssey feature. Will this lesser version be a detriment compared to the Onkyo 818 when only two speakers are involved? How big of difference will the Audyssey MultEQ XT vs XT32 make when it comes to only two speakers?


I own both and use the 809 for 2.1 Computer speaker system and do not notice a diff between the XT32 in the living room when it comes to music.
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Not sure exactly -- I too have a PS3 and WDTV Live and they both worked out of the box (although the PS3 is on BD/DVD and WDTV Live is on Game 2 in my case). Note that the WDTV may take a few seconds to wake up and finally send signal. But if you see the background in instapreview, I'm at lost as to what happens. Maybe the BD/DVD input is set to use different physical inputs for video and audio (e.g. HDMI + optical?)

All the devices are on HDMI only. The issue with WD TV does not seem to be there anymore. I just give it around 5-8 seconds and it comes on ok.

As far as the Dish TV connection is concerned, the Instapreview seems to be jerky. It looks like a series of pictures every 1-1.5 seconds rather than a plain picture. And of course, it is a blank screen when I click on the instapreview. Is the instapreview image normally smooth or can it be jerky?

I am tempted to link it directly to the TV and add a component audio set just to output the audio through the 818....
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This is news to me, anyone else know anything about the gapless fix?

I have Firmware 1120, and gapless is NOT fixed

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FLAC tracks seem to load quicker than MP3.

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I do not have to pay $400. I was not clear. I would get the $400 I paid back on my credit card and they would send me another open box Onkyo. I would not get the extra $200 though. For $200, I think I should just keep it unless I run into an issue before the 30 days return window is up. I am also worried the next open box 818 could get damaged as many people on slickdeals are reporting multiple instances of damaged open boxed Onkyo's being shipped from Amazon. BTW, watched Life of Pi on it and I have to say, it's so much better than the 805 it is replacing. So many setup options, the sound DSPs are awesome, the on screen display is so much easier to use, runs so much cooler, and this is all without Audyssey having been run yet. Can't wait until I get the mic and can check that out. I highly recommend the 818 over the 809!!!


I will be replacing my 805 with a new 818 in the next week. I'm glad to hear that you are happy with the 818. Any information that you would like to pass on or observations you've made would be great I would much appreciate it. You can also PM me at anytime.

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Working with firmware:

I got a PM asking me what I knew about firmware, so I gave it another look-see today and this is what I came up with.

The latest firmware on a US TX-NR818 (24fps fix) via the VFD display is this:
Code:
Main  1.12/13110 AM     Jan 10, 2013
DSP1  1.08/12X04 AM9    October 4, 2012
DSP2  1.01/12424 aMA    April 24, 2012
Video 1.03/12X31 BM     October 31, 2012
VSP   1.01/12329 AE0    March 29, 2012
OSD   1.00/12207 AM     Feb 7, 2012


This is for Firmware 1120-8103-0101-0000. The firmware dates are correct, they are formatted appropriately according to the service manuals for various Onkyos.

Trying to decipher the version string here I came up with this:

112 (Main) 08 (DSP) 103 (Video) 01 01 DSP2, VSP (don't know which is which) 0000 (OSD, Unknown)

The "1" in front of Main and Video may not be the major version, but some other status.

If anyone has other input as to how to figure these out, it would be appreciated. Those of you with failed FW updates that remember where it crapped out and where the ?? appears would be a help too.

I have several other receivers here and will cross reference with those over the weekend.

Anyone with other firmware revs feel free to post your numbers.

Hold down Display and Press "Standby/ON". The + and - for the Tone controls scrolls through the FW numbers. If you do not hit a key in a few seconds, the screen reverts to normal. You can get your firmware string from the firmware update page.

More info:

TX-NR609, firmware 1141-1600-0010-8106

Has these:
Code:
Main  1.14/12607AE  June 7, 2012
DSP1  1.16/12613BEA June 13, 2012
Video 1.08/12312AEK Feb 12, 2012
VSP   1.06/12312AE0 March 12, 2012

The breakdown goes like this:
114 (Main)116(DSP1)0000(None)108(Video)106(VSP)

HT-RC180/TX-NR807 1281-3602-0010-9120
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Main  1.28/12112AM  Jan 12, 2012
DSP1  1.36/12112AMA Jan 12, 2012
DSP2  1.02/09614AM2 June 14, 2009
Video 1.09/09321AT  Mar 21, 2009
VSP   1.20/09911AEA Sep 11, 2009

128(Main) 136(DSP1) 02 (DSP2) 00 (Unknown) 109 (Video1) 120 (VSP)

I think Onkyo is truncating the version numbers in some models. this is enough info that we can now look at the firmware number and see what section of the receiver was updated.
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rworne,

Where do you get the dates from? If I look at the info on the VFD, it has the "name" and version, but I didn't see a date
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I just got my new 818 and just finished setting it up mostly. 2 questions...
1. How do I delete the previous person's pandora account from the receiver? It says to press menu, but when the remote is in receiver mode, Menu does nothing. I got it from amazon wherehouse for $560 a couple of weeks ago. The first one was shipped horribly in a box by itself with very little packing paper. The receiver was DOA and was dented severely in the rear. I had to fight with amazon to get a replacement because the cost went up by $100 by the time I got my DOA receiver.
2. What is the best way to update the firmware via network wirelessly?
Thanks,
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Interesting that there is a prompt available. How cool would it be to have it rooted and be able to install a ported version of xbmc. Perhaps load it remotely from a USB thumb drive similar to openelec.

Wishful thinking but it sure would be convenient, and it would put the current streaming capabilities to shame.
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One more question...What's the best way to get my 818 to view my OTA tv and sound? I know I cannot plug it directly in to the 818 because it does not have a tuner. I have the OTA running into my Samsung Plasma tv, there must be a way to view the ota programming through the receiver so I can get the sound to run though the receiver instead of the crappy tv speakers. Thanks,
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Onkyo 818 vs Pioneer 1522

I am in a big dilemma. I have both the Pioneer 1522 and the Onkyo 818. The video scaling of the PIoneer is spectacular. The video scaling from the Onkyo, despite my attempts to adjust has not been very effective. The colors just seem off especially the skin tones etc. However I prefer the sound from the Onkyo over the sound from the Pioneer. The pioneer just sounds a little subdued and not as open/airy as the Onkyo and surprisingly the bass is not punchy like my older Pioneer 45TX used to be.

Since picture quality will prevail, I will likely go with the Pioneer.

Any thoughts or opinions?
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If the onkyo sounds better that would be my choice. Set the video to pass through. Page 57 of the manual. Your TV has the scaling built in already no need for the receiver to mess with the video.
I am personally a video snob. I don't watch anything but HD Channels and Blu Rays.
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The Onkyo 818 can't play AAC music files correct? My Denon can. The Onkyo hangs on Twonky media Server by trying to access the AAC files.... it's getting very slow and trying to read the files mad.gif
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I just got my new 818 and just finished setting it up mostly. 2 questions...
1. How do I delete the previous person's pandora account from the receiver? It says to press menu, but when the remote is in receiver mode, Menu does nothing. I got it from amazon wherehouse for $560 a couple of weeks ago. The first one was shipped horribly in a box by itself with very little packing paper. The receiver was DOA and was dented severely in the rear. I had to fight with amazon to get a replacement because the cost went up by $100 by the time I got my DOA receiver.
2. What is the best way to update the firmware via network wirelessly?
Thanks,
Stephen

That's how mine got damaged from Amz Warehouse. See if they'll give you a $100 credit for your trouble. Did they actually package the second one right? It was slighted damaged in the front corner by the volume knob. I just asked for a $200 credit and kept it because everything seems to work right. I just didn't get a mic. Did you get an audyssey mic?
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Can someone explain to me why this receiver is not 4k pass through capable when it can upscale to 4k? that's the only thing holding me back to get it, also would the Pioneer andrew jones speakers play nice with it?
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Onkyo 818 vs Pioneer 1522

I am in a big dilemma. I have both the Pioneer 1522 and the Onkyo 818. The video scaling of the PIoneer is spectacular. The video scaling from the Onkyo, despite my attempts to adjust has not been very effective. The colors just seem off especially the skin tones etc. However I prefer the sound from the Onkyo over the sound from the Pioneer. The pioneer just sounds a little subdued and not as open/airy as the Onkyo and surprisingly the bass is not punchy like my older Pioneer 45TX used to be.

Since picture quality will prevail, I will likely go with the Pioneer.

Any thoughts or opinions?

keep the pioneer and add a amplifier for your front speakers...
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rworne,

Where do you get the dates from? If I look at the info on the VFD, it has the "name" and version, but I didn't see a date

The date format is YYMDD, so

MAIN 1.12/13110AM

Is:

v1.12 13= 2013, 1=JAN, 10=10th day of the month. On the month field, X=Oct, Y=Nov, and Z=Dec.

I have no idea what the letter code after the date means...
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rworne,

Where do you get the dates from? If I look at the info on the VFD, it has the "name" and version, but I didn't see a date

The date format is YYMDD, so

MAIN 1.12/13110AM

Is:

v1.12 13= 2013, 1=JAN, 10=10th day of the month. On the month field, X=Oct, Y=Dec, and Z=Jan.

I have no idea what the letter code after the date means...

Thanks!

BTW, this means the MAIN code for the 1110-xxxx version is

1.11 Dec 06, 2012 (12Y06AM)
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Thanks!

BTW, this means the MAIN code for the 1110-xxxx version is

1.11 Dec 06, 2012 (12Y06AM)

Nov 6, 2012
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Onkyo 818 vs Pioneer 1522

I am in a big dilemma. I have both the Pioneer 1522 and the Onkyo 818. The video scaling of the PIoneer is spectacular. The video scaling from the Onkyo, despite my attempts to adjust has not been very effective. The colors just seem off especially the skin tones etc. However I prefer the sound from the Onkyo over the sound from the Pioneer. The pioneer just sounds a little subdued and not as open/airy as the Onkyo and surprisingly the bass is not punchy like my older Pioneer 45TX used to be.

Since picture quality will prevail, I will likely go with the Pioneer.

Any thoughts or opinions?

This isn't scaling, but processing or calibration. Scaling just changes the resolution. Have you turned off processing on your display and source? I would set the TV to default settings, or whatever mode introduces the least impact on the picture (if they are not already) and then try calibrating with the 818. Or, as Socketman recommended, turn off processing in the 818 and use the display to adjust the pic.

What display and source are you using? Does the picture look better with no AVR at all?

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keep the pioneer and add a amplifier for your front speakers...

Adding an amplifier isn't going to make the 1522 sound significantly different. From all indications, the 1522 has plenty of power.
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Onkyo 818 vs Pioneer 1522

I am in a big dilemma. I have both the Pioneer 1522 and the Onkyo 818. The video scaling of the PIoneer is spectacular. The video scaling from the Onkyo, despite my attempts to adjust has not been very effective. The colors just seem off especially the skin tones etc. However I prefer the sound from the Onkyo over the sound from the Pioneer. The pioneer just sounds a little subdued and not as open/airy as the Onkyo and surprisingly the bass is not punchy like my older Pioneer 45TX used to be.

Since picture quality will prevail, I will likely go with the Pioneer.

Any thoughts or opinions?

Don't they both have the exact same video processor?
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This isn't scaling, but processing or calibration. Scaling just changes the resolution. Have you turned off processing on your display and source? I would set the TV to default settings, or whatever mode introduces the least impact on the picture (if they are not already) and then try calibrating with the 818. Or, as Socketman recommended, turn off processing in the 818 and use the display to adjust the pic.

What display and source are you using? Does the picture look better with no AVR at all?
Adding an amplifier isn't going to make the 1522 sound significantly different. From all indications, the 1522 has plenty of power.

I just returned a 1522 because of hdmi issues and bought an 818. I think the video processing in the 818 is better than the Pioneer. In picture mode I use "custom" and then 1080p Resolution. In Monitor out I use "Main" and for Resolution I set it to "source". My Direct TV Genie is set to native so the 818 does all the processing. The picture is better than the 1522 and better than my previous Integra DHC 80.3 processor which I thought was outstanding.
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This isn't scaling, but processing or calibration. Scaling just changes the resolution. Have you turned off processing on your display and source? I would set the TV to default settings, or whatever mode introduces the least impact on the picture (if they are not already) and then try calibrating with the 818. Or, as Socketman recommended, turn off processing in the 818 and use the display to adjust the pic.

What display and source are you using? Does the picture look better with no AVR at all?
Adding an amplifier isn't going to make the 1522 sound significantly different. From all indications, the 1522 has plenty of power.

depending on his speakers it could very well make a significant difference. Imo no avr has the capability of a external power amplifier...anybody that thinks so is severely misinformed. Also Pioneer rates power @ 1khz which inflates the number compared to full bandwidth...so its 130w per channel would be more like 115w. My Yamaha 773 is rated 95w per channel full bandwidth or 110w perchannel @ 1khz. So on paper the Onkyo has more power and depending on his speakers could be the reason he thought the Pioneer was lacking...however Im betting with a few adjusments the Pioneer could match the Onkyo in sound. I dont believe there is a huge difference in avr power no matter what model you buy.

My point to my last Post was to keep the Pioneer for realiability and add a external power amp if more is needed down the road. I was not implying the Pioneer was lacking power. Onkyo's seem to be hit or miss with reliability...not bashing just stating the obvious from some time spent googling.
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I just returned a 1522 because of hdmi issues and bought an 818. I think the video processing in the 818 is better than the Pioneer. In picture mode I use "custom" and then 1080p Resolution. In Monitor out I use "Main" and for Resolution I set it to "source". My Direct TV Genie is set to native so the 818 does all the processing. The picture is better than the 1522 and better than my previous Integra DHC 80.3 processor which I thought was outstanding.

I'm thinking of "upgrading" from Cox cable to Direct TV. Is the Genie playing nice with the 818? No issues? There is a new version of the Genie, the HR44 coming out that I might wait for, but if the current version is working well, maybe I should just jump.
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Can someone explain to me why this receiver is not 4k pass through capable when it can upscale to 4k? that's the only thing holding me back to get it, also would the Pioneer andrew jones speakers play nice with it?

Interesting question. I really don't think anyone has authoritatively stated the 818 will not pass through 4k content. I haven't done an exhaustive search, however, so if someone can provide a link that states otherwise... I'd like to see it.

Here are some facts I've dug up or know...

1) HDMI 1.4 only supports 4k content at 24 fps
2) HDMI 1.4 supports a TMDS rate of 340 MHz
3) So 4k 24 fps content fits within a TMDS rate of 340 MHz

What's interesting is that the 818 reports a much higher TMDS clock when no output device is connected.

4) Onkyo TX-NR818 reports the TDMS clock of 700 MHz

What does this mean given HDMI 1.4 max is 340 MHz? Perhaps it truly does mean that, if an HDMI cable were to have > 24 fps 4k content the 818 would handle it.

5) Given the 818 indicates such a high TDMS rate as input, one might suspect it can passthrough 340 MHz 4k 24fps content

Nothing conclusive above, just some info that makes me think it may be possible. Too bad very few people have the ability to source 4k content as well as display it!

(BTW, the 818 reduces the advertised TMDS rate when you connect a display. It may be using the value the display supports)

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Just placed my order for an "open box" 818 from OneCall, it was between this and the Pio 1522. I really wanted the D3 amp but there's only one place in my apartment to place the receiver and there wouldn't be enough room on the side to accompany for the Pio's side fan. The Onkyo also has a few other features not on the Pio. I hope I made the right choice. :-)
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Interesting question. I really don't think a anyone has authoritatively stated the 818 will not pass through 4k content. I haven't done an exhaustive search, however, so if someone can provide a link that states otherwise... I'd like to see it.

Here are some facts I've dug up or know...

1) HDMI 1.4 only supports 4k content at 24 fps
2) HDMI 1.4 supports a TMDS rate of 340 MHz
3) So 4k 24 fps content fits within a TMDS rate of 340 MHz

What's interesting is that the 818 reports a much higher TMDS clock when no output device is connected.

4) Onkyo TX-NR818 reports the TDMS clock of 700 MHz

What does this mean given HDMI 1.4 max is 340 MHz? Perhaps it truly does mean that, if an HDMI cable were to have > 24 fps 4k content the 818 would handle it.

5) Given the 818 indicates such a high TDMS rate as input, one might suspect it can passthrough 340 MHz 4k 24fps content

Nothing conclusive above, just some info that makes we think it may be possible. Too bad very few people have the ability to source 4k content as well as display it!

(BTW, the 818 reduces the advertised TMDS rate when you connect a display. It may be using the value the display supports)

Thanks for the input, I'm still trying to decide if i should get the 818 or the pioneer 1522..... Decisions, Decisions.
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I'm thinking of "upgrading" from Cox cable to Direct TV. Is the Genie playing nice with the 818? No issues? There is a new version of the Genie, the HR44 coming out that I might wait for, but if the current version is working well, maybe I should just jump.

No problems so far.
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