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IS 559 from newwgg is a good deal for 818?

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yah, its gone. lucky me, i just save money. lol

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yah, its gone. lucky me, i just save money. lol


If you have to ask......if thats a good price, you almost dont deserve it , but alas you got it. Congrats!!!.

That seemed like a stellar price from what I've seen lately. and Im not shopping that model, but it peaks my interest every now and then.

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Aurgh it sucks how I've had the code since yesterday but unable to purchase it because I'm not on their specially selected email list. grrrr mad.gif
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I think the email is misleading. It says "for 72 hrs" in big bold letters. Then in tiny letters it says "or based on fund availability". First, what does "fund" mean? If it said "inventory availability" it would make sense. Two, when I see that I have 72hrs I fully expect to have 72hrs. I've spent a lot of money at Newegg and think they should take that into account. Missing this deal is very upsetting!mad.gif

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What reasons would have made you go with the 818 over the 1222?

I'm enjoying the 1222 very much. It's certainly a beefy receiver and more than what most people would need. As far as features go, both receivers are packed pretty full and I think anyone would really be hard pressed to say that they're disappointed with either one, save for the few people who might receive a lemon. That said, even though the 1222 is a very hefty receiver at almost 32lbs and already packs tons of power, the 818 outweighs the 1222 by 9lbs! This extra weight surely means a more robust power supply and beefier amp section. I don't think most people would really feel like they were lacking with the might of the 1222. But, a monstrous, 40lb 818 was very tempting to me at the price of $550! Still, the 1222 at the current newegg price is a steal in itself and it's a ridiculously powerful receiver as well. Onkyo's reliability as of lately and customer service also makes me uneasy, so I favored the Pioneer. But, my 809 has been great so far!

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I'mThat said, even though the 1222 is a very hefty receiver at almost 32lbs and already packs tons of power, the 818 outweighs the 1222 by 9lbs! This extra weight surely means a more robust power supply and beefier amp section.

That's what kept me away from the Denon models --- very light --- and went with the Onkyo 818. Some people told me that weight doesn't mean anything. That may be true. But I'm having a hard time "buying" that unless there is specifically some technology stated that explains the weight difference. My bet is Denon cut the weight to reduce shipping and save them money. But I may be 100% wrong.
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Congrats to all who got in on the deal. Sorry for those that tried and couldn't. Mine showed up today, I can't wait to get it hooked up this weekend. I'll report back the firmware version that my unit came with.

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That's what kept me away from the Denon models --- very light --- and went with the Onkyo 818. Some people told me that weight doesn't mean anything. That may be true. But I'm having a hard time "buying" that unless there is specifically some technology stated that explains the weight difference. My bet is Denon cut the weight to reduce shipping and save them money. But I may be 100% wrong.

Weight, certainly, doesn't always mean everything. But, when one receiver weighs 5-10lbs more than another, that's got to be, mostly, a power thing. They certainly didn't just add 5-10lbs of metal and plastic for the hell of it, to make the receiver heavier, for no reason. I don't know how people can simply say weight doesn't mean anything. Receiver A: weighs 40lbs, Receiver B: weights 25lbs. These people expect me to believe that a 15lb weight difference means nothing, in regards to power and amplification? Come on now! cool.gif

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Weight, certainly, doesn't always mean everything. But, when one receiver weighs 5-10lbs more than another, that's got to be, mostly, a power thing. They certainly didn't just add 5-10lbs of metal and plastic for the hell of it, to make the receiver heavier, for no reason. I don't know how people can simply say weight doesn't mean anything. Receiver A: weighs 40lbs, Receiver B: weights 25lbs. These people expect me to believe that a 15lb weight difference means nothing, in regards to power and amplification? Come on now! cool.gif

Yeah, I tend to believe this as well. An audiophile relative of mine turned me onto this belief initially and through my research I've come to find that the best and most expensive receivers tend to be heavier weighing at least 40 lbs and anything less tends to be for cheaper models.

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I picked 1 up from the egg $560.98 - there's only 3 left

going to upgrade from a tx nr709 I know its not real up grade , only thing I gain will be the video processor

You'll also have Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 which makes everything sound better when calibrated. Anyone with a 809, 709, or older will enjoy this upgrade. I had a 805 and the MultiEQ XT32 was my main reason for upgrading. I also ended up getting a lot of cool features thrown in like the web stuff, on-screen GUI. I love it!
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I picked 1 up from the egg $560.98 - there's only 3 left

going to upgrade from a tx nr709 I know its not real up grade , only thing I gain will be the video processor

You're also going from a 27lb receiver to a 40lb receiver. That 818, easily, has way more power! Not to beat my weight discussion into the ground.

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I'm enjoying the 1222 very much. It's certainly a beefy receiver and more than what most people would need. As far as features go, both receivers are packed pretty full and I think anyone would really be hard pressed to say that they're disappointed with either one, save for the few people who might receive a lemon. That said, even though the 1222 is a very hefty receiver at almost 32lbs and already packs tons of power, the 818 outweighs the 1222 by 9lbs! This extra weight surely means a more robust power supply and beefier amp section. I don't think most people would really feel like they were lacking with the might of the 1222. But, a monstrous, 40lb 818 was very tempting to me at the price of $550! Still, the 1222 at the current newegg price is a steal in itself and it's a ridiculously powerful receiver as well. Onkyo's reliability as of lately and customer service also makes me uneasy, so I favored the Pioneer. But, my 809 has been great so far!

Thanks for the reply. I ended up going with the 1222. I just couldn't shake the uneasy feeling of the rumored reliability issues of Onkyo. Plus, I have an old Pioneer receiver that I've been more than happy with for the past 12 years or so. It doesn't hurt that I picked up the bdp62 Elite player, so now that and my receiver will match a little more closely.
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You're also going from a 27lb receiver to a 40lb receiver. That 818, easily, has way more power! Not to beat my weight discussion into the ground.
Sorry But I test drove a Marantz 5007 that was only 22 lbs and that thing wailed and it did it well.This 818 came to me with a 5 yr warranty for $575 so i couldnt pass it up,Sure its 40 lb but it isnt musically louder OR CLEANER then that Marantz.So saying that I could imagine how well the Marantz 7007 sounds.I am on the fence with the weight being the sell factor.The 818 has better video capabilities.

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The Onkyo 818 has 135 watts per channel for 2-channels and from my research no a/v receiver has matched it in the price range. The Onkyo 818 to me is the biggest bang for the buck a/v receiver I've come across.

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Sorry But I test drove a Marantz 5007 that was only 22 lbs and that thing wailed and it did it well.This 818 came to me with a 5 yr warranty for $575 so i couldnt pass it up,Sure its 40 lb but it isnt musically louder OR CLEANER then that Marantz.So saying that I could imagine how well the Marantz 7007 sounds.I am on the fence with the weight being the sell factor.The 818 has better video capabilities.

Well, as I said, weight doesn't automatically mean better or more powerful, but I guarantee you, a weight difference that large indicates some kind of power difference. There's also other variables at work. Calibration software, speakers, receiver settings and the quality of components used, etc... But, weight differences, especially large, indicate some power differences. Why would anyone buy a $1,000 40lb 818 when they can buy an entry level, 20lb Onkyo for $400 bucks if there's no power difference? The weight has to affect power. Increasing amp size, power supply and capacitors to make higher end units play louder, adds more weight. There's no other way to create that much more power without adding weight.

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The Onkyo 818 has 135 watts per channel for 2-channels and from my research no a/v receiver has matched it in the price range. The Onkyo 818 to me is the biggest bang for the buck a/v receiver I've come across.

then you are not looking hard enough...pioneer 1522-k 599.00 costco, yamaha rx-a820 499.00 newegg. 100watts or 135watts is very little difference. on a 90db efficient speaker it would be less than +1db gain in output.
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Well, as I said, weight doesn't automatically mean better or more powerful, but I guarantee you, a weight difference that large indicates some kind of power difference. There's also other variables at work. Calibration software, speakers, receiver settings and the quality of components used, etc... But, weight differences, especially large, indicate some power differences. Why would anyone buy a $1,000 40lb 818 when they can buy an entry level, 20lb Onkyo for $400 bucks if there's no power difference? The weight has to affect power. Increasing amp size, power supply and capacitors to make higher end units play louder, adds more weight. There's no other way to create that much more power without adding weight.

not necessarily, different amp technologies can play a big factor in weight. all depends if a amp is class a/b which utilizes a huge transformer, opposed to a digital amp that does not.
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then you are not looking hard enough...pioneer 1522-k 599.00 costco, yamaha rx-a820 499.00 newegg. 100watts or 135watts is very little difference. on a 90db efficient speaker it would be less than +1db gain in output.

Not everyone has a Costco in their city. I used to live in a city that had a few but not here where I live now. The Pioneer 1522-k is the only comparable one to the Onkyo 818 while the Yamaha doesn't seem as good to me. In my view the Audyssey MultEQ XT32 feature is the difference maker.

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Well, as I said, weight doesn't automatically mean better or more powerful, but I guarantee you, a weight difference that large indicates some kind of power difference. There's also other variables at work. Calibration software, speakers, receiver settings and the quality of components used, etc... But, weight differences, especially large, indicate some power differences. Why would anyone buy a $1,000 40lb 818 when they can buy an entry level, 20lb Onkyo for $400 bucks if there's no power difference? The weight has to affect power. Increasing amp size, power supply and capacitors to make higher end units play louder, adds more weight. There's no other way to create that much more power without adding weight.

+1. Weight as a sole barometer of power is highly overrated, especially when comparing amps with different designs. I can tell you from looking down into a lot of amps, a large part of the weight difference can be due to bigger heatsinks, additional features (network card), heavier faceplates, different amp designs, etc.

As a rough idea between different models from the same manufacturer works much better. My Onkyo 616 (which died a hot spectacular death in 2 weeks), was only 2kg lighter than my Denon AVR-990 but the sound wasn't even on the same planet.
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2 thoughts on the tx nr818 coming 1. will my speakers handle them front are like 100watt and surrounds 75 watt ? 2.hope my cabinet will hold that extra 12 -14 lbs. !

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Not everyone has a Costco in their city. I used to live in a city that had a few but not here where I live now. The Pioneer 1522-k is the only comparable one to the Onkyo 818 while the Yamaha doesn't seem as good to me. In my view the Audyssey MultEQ XT32 feature is the difference maker.

na i disagree...i would much rather have a reliable yamaha. ypao works pretty good, especially the newest version with multipoint r.s.c., then you can also use the fully adjustable 7band peq to adjust 31-16khz and fine tune if need be. with audyssey your limited to its correction only...and it does not always do the best job in some situations. there is nothing better than a mic,measuring software, and a eq to fully dial in a speaker system.
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Well, as I said, weight doesn't automatically mean better or more powerful, but I guarantee you, a weight difference that large indicates some kind of power difference. There's also other variables at work. Calibration software, speakers, receiver settings and the quality of components used, etc... But, weight differences, especially large, indicate some power differences. Why would anyone buy a $1,000 40lb 818 when they can buy an entry level, 20lb Onkyo for $400 bucks if there's no power difference? The weight has to affect power. Increasing amp size, power supply and capacitors to make higher end units play louder, adds more weight. There's no other way to create that much more power without adding weight.
But your only comparing the same brand.Dont get me wrong The 818 works,and works good.I use to be one that based my amp quality on weight as well.But not anymore.Ive heard the differance with my OWN ears.That being said the xt32 works good and as well was another one of the deal makers for me.I would lay money down the Marantz 7007 @27 lbs would SPANK the crap out of this 40 lb'er in the music department when it comes to tonality and clean usable headroom.

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But your only comparing the same brand.Dont get me wrong The 818 works,and works good.I use to be one that based my amp quality on weight as well.But not anymore.Ive heard the differance with my OWN ears.That being said the xt32 works good and as well was another one of the deal makers for me.I would lay money down the Marantz 7007 @27 lbs would SPANK the crap out of this 40 lb'er in the music department when it comes to tonality and clean usable headroom.

Well, the Marantz 7007 is two to three times the price of the Onkyo 818... Marantz a/v receivers are expensive.

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Well, the Marantz 7007 is two to three times the price of the Onkyo 818... Marantz a/v receivers are expensive.
woa woa were comparing weightable object with an objective ear for cap's transformers and heatsinks...not price.wink.gif

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I upgraded from a denon avr-1910 to this receiver. besides better sound i was hoping that the upgrade would fix the microstuttering i have been experiancing when playing blurays from my denon dbp-2010. seems it has not though. i have tried every setting i can think of on both tv and the player but to no avail. has any1 else had this problem with blurays?

Can it be that the player simply cant output a proper signal couse its clock isnt accurate? is it possible at all to have completly smothe playback from a stand alone player? both my tv and blurayplayer where quite expensive and are quite new. seems strange that it is not possible. stuttering uccors about every 30minutes or so. maybe this is normal? pretty lame if it is...
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But your only comparing the same brand.Dont get me wrong The 818 works,and works good.I use to be one that based my amp quality on weight as well.But not anymore.Ive heard the differance with my OWN ears.That being said the xt32 works good and as well was another one of the deal makers for me.I would lay money down the Marantz 7007 @27 lbs would SPANK the crap out of this 40 lb'er in the music department when it comes to tonality and clean usable headroom.

All things equal, speakers, calibration, listening environment and setup, I have a hard time believing that the Marantz would drive a full seven channels to reference level as well as the 818. We may just have to agree to disagree. tongue.gif

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I upgraded from a denon avr-1910 to this receiver. besides better sound i was hoping that the upgrade would fix the microstuttering i have been experiancing when playing blurays from my denon dbp-2010. seems it has not though. i have tried every setting i can think of on both tv and the player but to no avail. has any1 else had this problem with blurays?

Can it be that the player simply cant output a proper signal couse its clock isnt accurate? is it possible at all to have completly smothe playback from a stand alone player? both my tv and blurayplayer where quite expensive and are quite new. seems strange that it is not possible. stuttering uccors about every 30minutes or so. maybe this is normal? pretty lame if it is...

Not normal at all.

You have at least proved one thing... It's not caused by your old receiver or your new 818.
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FRONTS: RB-61 II - CENTER: RC-42 II - SURROUND + SURROUND BACKS: WS-24 and RW-10 Sub .

This receiver will easily power these speakers. You could have speakers rated at 200w and not have a problem driving them with this receiver. The wattage is only an issue at full blast or near ear damaging levels.

Hope you measured....If it doesn't fit or is too heavy, I will gladly take the 818 off your hands biggrin.gif. I had it in my cart but couldn't justify it....WAF came into play...

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