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To bad, I was hoping onkyo would fix this by now..
I know the 5.1 to 2.0 to 5.1 clicking is not a problem or bug, just annoying at times....

To clarify the behavior for those unfamiliar..

It's not the codec change.. It's the output config..

And not unique to Onkyo at all.

For example... If you are listening to 5.1 broadcast and switch to a 2 channel broadcast...

If you have 2 channels listening mode set to stereo, it will click as it switches over to 2.1..

If you have the 2.0 preset set to DPLIIx, no click as it stays in 5.1....

This is a wholly different issue the AVR's x008 vintage and earlier exhibit..

They would click on any change, including a ff or rewind on DVRs, switch chapter, pause, etc.... And you would also get small drop outs..

That is most certainly fixed.
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I'm considering this AVR and saw that it only has zone 2/3 12v triggers as mentioned recently ITT. I will not be using zone2/3 so will I be able to use one of those to trigger my main system's amp on/off?

Also, as far as I can tell, this is the least expensive XT32 capable AVR, is that true? The Denon 4311 isn't much more but that's the other AVR I've had my eye on.
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I'm considering this AVR and saw that it only has zone 2/3 12v triggers as mentioned recently ITT. I will not be using zone2/3 so will I be able to use one of those to trigger my main system's amp on/off?

Also, as far as I can tell, this is the least expensive XT32 capable AVR, is that true? The Denon 4311 isn't much more but that's the other AVR I've had my eye on.

You can use the 2/3 12v triggers but you have to turn on Zone 2/3 for the trigger to be active. If you have a universal remote such as the Harmony you can program it to power up Zone 2/3 to activate the 12v trigger to turn on an external amp. But as far as when you turn on the Main zone of the 818 or any other Onkyo AVRs the 12v trigger is not active. Unless the new Onkyos have a provision in the menu to change this. To me the 12v trigger setup with Onkyo AVRs is a very poor design IMO.

As far as I know the 818 is the lowest cost AVR with XT32. If you wait awhile the prices of the 818 will most likely drop making it even more affordable.

Bill
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You can use the 2/3 12v triggers but you have to turn on Zone 2/3 for the trigger to be active. If you have a universal remote such as the Harmony you can program it to power up Zone 2/3 to activate the 12v trigger to turn on an external amp. But as far as when you turn on the Main zone of the 818 or any other Onkyo AVRs the 12v trigger is not active. Unless the new Onkyos have a provision in the menu to change this. To me the 12v trigger setup with Onkyo AVRs is a very poor design IMO.

As far as I know the 818 is the lowest cost AVR with XT32. If you wait awhile the prices of the 818 will most likely drop making it even more affordable.

Bill

Well, the network protocol has a setting to specifically turn on/off the triggers, depending on how the triggers are set int he receiver's settings:

"TGA/TGB/TGC are available,when each 12V Trigger parameter is all "OFF" at Setup Menu."

I should know more about this tonight, my 818 arrives today.
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You can use the 2/3 12v triggers but you have to turn on Zone 2/3 for the trigger to be active. If you have a universal remote such as the Harmony you can program it to power up Zone 2/3 to activate the 12v trigger to turn on an external amp. But as far as when you turn on the Main zone of the 818 or any other Onkyo AVRs the 12v trigger is not active. Unless the new Onkyos have a provision in the menu to change this. To me the 12v trigger setup with Onkyo AVRs is a very poor design IMO.

As far as I know the 818 is the lowest cost AVR with XT32. If you wait awhile the prices of the 818 will most likely drop making it even more affordable.

Bill

Thanks for the info, yeah what a strange easily resolvable shortcoming. The 4311 triggers are assignable. If I understand correctly it sounds like it'll take an extra button press or three but would work and that wouldn't really bother me. And potentially I could hack it up to make it work anyway.

My ancient Marantz SR8000 is running great in 5.1 so I'm not really in a hurry. I'm thinking the SubEQ on the 4311 is prolly worth the price difference, I have a second sub on the way. It does sorta concern me that the 4311 is almost a 2 year old release, but it's basically got everything of this receiver plus a couple extras that are useful for my situation. Let's see how well I can get these subs EQ'd with a minidsp, REW, 1 LFE out and no room correction. I wonder how long till the 818 drops to 900-1000.
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Well, the network protocol has a setting to specifically turn on/off the triggers, depending on how the triggers are set int he receiver's settings:

"TGA/TGB/TGC are available,when each 12V Trigger parameter is all "OFF" at Setup Menu."

I should know more about this tonight, my 818 arrives today.

Interesting, I read somewhere earlier in the thread someone was looking at the network protocol, that was probably you. I write code and understand these sorta net protocol things so this may be something I'll look into. Are you looking at making an additional droid app or something off your computer? If it is in the network protocol maybe we could get this feature supported by the main droid app???
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Soooooo, I'm to believe there were to be bikini pics posted? =^P

The 818 is still sitting at the top of my list but 2 things are holding me back from it, which may end up not being a big deal.

1. no 12v triggers for zone 1. Yes there is a workaround, but not a very easy one with my harmony remote that I have discovered yet. As in, I haven't found a way to program a zone 2 button into the remote. There has got to be a way, but I just haven't discovered it yet.

2. No subeqht (or whatever it's called). Again, might not be a big deal because I'm not sure when I'll be getting a second sub, but I want the option to be able to place the sub wherever I want and not have to worry about trying to set it up myself (if/when I get it). I'm more of a plug and play type of fellow and I do minimal tweaking, so I don't know if I would want to take the time to mess with trying to get a second sub to blend with the system myself since I won't be able to set it in an equidistant spot from the LP.

Somebody sell me on why I should ignore these 2 things. =^P

I just looked through the pics and there truly aren't many good ones. Next party I will be in charge of pics. I could post the one or two that are decent but most of the night shots just came out crappy!

As for the 818 I am hard at work today thru the weekend trying to get it done.
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In a few hours I'll be unpacking the 818 and I'll be able to post power consumption numbers compared to the previous years' models.

I have an HT-RC180 (basically an 807), TX-NR708, TX-NR609, TX-NR818, a kill-watt, and a burning curiosity.
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Interesting, I read somewhere earlier in the thread someone was looking at the network protocol, that was probably you. I write code and understand these sorta net protocol things so this may be something I'll look into. Are you looking at making an additional droid app or something off your computer? If it is in the network protocol maybe we could get this feature supported by the main droid app???

I already have an iOS app available for Onkyo's. It's been out for more than a year now,

I've complained bitterly about Onkyo and the way they tossed 3rd party developers under the bus once they decided to release their own app. Now it is mostly a game as they hide their new protocol sheets and I reverse-engineer changes to their protocol. Eventually, someone leaks the latest protocol spec to me and I get to see how well I did.

The latest sheet out on the net is 1.21, but the latest released spec is 1.23, which covers everything up to the 616.
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Onkyo 818 on sale for only $899.00

http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/301262
Bill Mac's Avatar Bill Mac
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Onkyo 818 on sale for only $899.00

http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/301262

The link says the deal is expired.

Bill
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The link says the deal is expired.

Bill

I should of posted this sooner...
You'll catch the next one...
Bill Mac's Avatar Bill Mac
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I should of posted this sooner...
You'll catch the next one...

Thanks but I'm good with the 4311. I wonder if anyone was able to take advantage of that deal? Was the deal through Vann's? Seems kind of strange to see the 818 priced so low seeing it was just released.

Bill
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Thanks but I'm good with the 4311. I wonder if anyone was able to take advantage of that deal? Was the deal through Vann's? Seems kind of strange to see the 818 priced so low seeing it was just released.

Bill

It's the economy, the 818 is just another big box taking up space in the warehouse..
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It's the economy, the 818 is just another big box taking up space in the warehouse..

I don't believe the price was for real unless someone posts that they actually bought the 818 from an authorized dealer for $899 shipped.

Bill
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How is the video chip in the 818 compared to the 4311?
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How is the video chip in the 818 compared to the 4311?

Much better
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I don't believe the price was for real unless someone posts that they actually bought the 818 from an authorized dealer for $899 shipped.

Bill

I believe Vanns is an authorized dealer.
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Much better

What would the benefit of it be exactly? Isn't the only purpose of the video chip for up-converting?
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What would the benefit of it be exactly? Isn't the only purpose of the video chip for up-converting?

There are two solutions.. on for up conversion, one for processing of native HD signals (I'm not sure which one does the 4k...)

For SD material up conversion , I think it's close to the 4311..

For HD, I see some improvement with NR on 1080i Directv material..
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I believe Vanns is an authorized dealer.

Yes, Vanns is a authorized onkyo dealer.

There deals go fast, cause there so good..
I bet newegg won't be under sold..
Newegg blew the new onkyo 809 out the door one weekend for $619 !!
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There are two solutions.. on for up conversion, one for processing of native HD signals (I'm not sure which one does the 4k...)

For SD material up conversion , I think it's close to the 4311..

For HD, I see some improvement with NR on 1080i Directv material..

That said, who should use the video funtion on the receiver?.

I have a Pioneer KRP 500M, and tryed both the Pioneer LX85/SC57), and the Onkyo 1009, and have not seen any improvment in the video apartment
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I believe Vanns is an authorized dealer.

Vanns is an authorized Onkyo dealer. I called Vanns to see if they would still honor the price from the Tech Bargains link posted earlier. The sales rep (Josh) said they did not sell any at that price but would sell it for $50 more. I did not ask if that was with shipping included. That is a great price and lower than I would have thought with the 818 just being released.

Bill
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I have to say from the start, Onkyo did a hell of a job cutting down the standby power on this device. All measurements were made in watts using a standard Kill-a-Watt device after doing a factory reset on all these devices.

Out of box (Net Off, HDMI RIHD Off):
TX-NR818 Standby 0.0 W
TX-NR818 On 80.0 W (idle, on BD input, nothing playing)
TX-NR609 Standby 0.0 W
TX-NR609 On 112.0 W (idle, on BD input, nothing playing)
HT-RC180 Standby 0.0 W
HT-RC180 On 100.0 W (idle, on BD input, nothing playing) This is basically the same as a TX-NR807

Network Control Enabled:
TX-NR818 Standby 2.2 W
TX-NR609 Standby 29.1 W
HT-RC180 Standby 49.7 W

HDMI RIHD On (enable ARC and pass-thru)
TX-NR818 Standby 7.2 W
TX-NR609 Standby 29.3 W
HT-RC180 Standby 49.9 W

Net and HDMI enabled:
TX-NR818 Standby 8.4 W
TX-NR609 Standby 29.5 W
HT-RC180 Standby 50.1 W
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I'd bite immediately at $900. Very excite to hear more about this. Im looking to replace my 805 which is awesome, but want the new features.
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While listening to 5.1 broadcast and switching to a 2 channel broadcast (still a HD channel but only in 2 channel stereo) I got audio dropped outs, while watching this HD channel ex. Palladia music channel on this particular rare 2 channel broadcast.
This happened to me while owning the 809. Wondering if 818 which have the same issue?
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I noticed to many of you have experienced many receivers within a few years.
In the last 20 years I have only purchased 2. Sherwood and B&K AVR 307 (current one in use). Just curious, what do you guys do with your old units when you upgrade?

I'm primarily a 2 channel CD listener with Video being maybe 40%. Is the 818 good for this purchase? I noticed the 809 pretty good in this aspect but a little behind the B&K AVR

CC
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Put them up for sale on ebay, AVS classifieds, etc
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I just looked through the pics and there truly aren't many good ones. Next party I will be in charge of pics. I could post the one or two that are decent but most of the night shots just came out crappy!

As for the 818 I am hard at work today thru the weekend trying to get it done.

Well...it's no wonder! The pre-party pic in the kitchen(with the booze) would indicate any avid photographers night shots might turn out crummy if they'd been having fun before hand!
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Outstanding, thanks for this information... this is a huge improvement.

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I have to say from the start, Onkyo did a hell of a job cutting down the standby power on this device. All measurements were made in watts using a standard Kill-a-Watt device after doing a factory reset on all these devices.

Out of box (Net Off, HDMI RIHD Off):
TX-NR818 Standby 0.0 W
TX-NR818 On 80.0 W (idle, on BD input, nothing playing)
TX-NR609 Standby 0.0 W
TX-NR609 On 112.0 W (idle, on BD input, nothing playing)
HT-RC180 Standby 0.0 W
HT-RC180 On 100.0 W (idle, on BD input, nothing playing) This is basically the same as a TX-NR807

Network Control Enabled:
TX-NR818 Standby 2.2 W
TX-NR609 Standby 29.1 W
HT-RC180 Standby 49.7 W

HDMI RIHD On (enable ARC and pass-thru)
TX-NR818 Standby 7.2 W
TX-NR609 Standby 29.3 W
HT-RC180 Standby 49.9 W

Net and HDMI enabled:
TX-NR818 Standby 8.4 W
TX-NR609 Standby 29.5 W
HT-RC180 Standby 50.1 W


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