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The TV was set to PCM, and I was receiving 2ch only from the apps( Netflix and cinema now). I switched it to bitstream and I get 5.1 sent to the receiver. To be honest, I believe there's little to no difference in sound. At first, the receiver was getting 2ch from the TV and decoded the signal and sent it out as 7.1. Now the receiver is getting direct 5.1 from the TV and sending out 7.1. Either way, there's decoding taking place in the receiver.

You would notice after a bit more use and some varied content.... processing 2 channels into 7.1 is a lot different than just basically duplicating the surrounds from 5.1 -> 7.1.

well I think it's a big deal anyhow.

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Okay, now that the 818 has been out for a while, I'm curious too see if it's still relevant today as I'm looking to upgrade.

Currently, I have a Marantz SR5004 and I have an opportunity to get an 818 in very good condition for $550 including shipping. I want the 818 mainly for the XT32, the HDMI pass through, and more control over crossover points. Plus, I just want new gear. biggrin.gif Would this be a worthwhile upgrade?
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Okay, now that the 818 has been out for a while, I'm curious too see if it's still relevant today as I'm looking to upgrade.

Currently, I have a Marantz SR5004 and I have an opportunity to get an 818 in very good condition for $550 including shipping. I want the 818 mainly for the XT32, the HDMI pass through, and more control over crossover points. Plus, I just want new gear. biggrin.gif Would this be a worthwhile upgrade?

yes for the XT32

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I don't think you can find a better receiver for the now $700 selling price(it was $1,200 MSRP). It has a great processing chip(s) and Audyssey XT32 is the best room Eq system available.
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I love mine after 15 months of heavy use... but I'm eyeing a Marantz 7008 if I can find it at $1000 one of these days.

It's just straight up better at everything, my friend got one a month ago. Thing is beautiful.

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I love mine after 15 months of heavy use... but I'm eyeing a Marantz 7008 if I can find it at $1000 one of these days.

It's just straight up better at everything, my friend got one a month ago. Thing is beautiful.

I thought it was just a Denon X4000?

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I thought it was just a Denon X4000?

If it was I would consider one of those as well. I haven't really been shopping for a new receiver since I got the 818 so I'm not up on all the comparisons right now.

Either way it has features I would use like sub eq, Audyssey LFC (I have neighbors on my walls), HDMI matrix (3 out), 11.2, instaprevue. I liked the menu system and love how it looks too.

And it should be better than the 818 it msrp'd at twice the cost.

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If it was I would consider one of those as well. I haven't really been shopping for a new receiver since I got the 818 so I'm not up on all the comparisons right now.

Either way it has features I would use like sub eq, Audyssey LFC (I have neighbors on my walls), HDMI matrix (3 out), 11.2, instaprevue. I liked the menu system and love how it looks too.

And it should be better than the 818 it msrp'd at twice the cost.

I could be wrong but I think it's almost entirely the same as an X4000. Denon owns Marantz for sure.
I think the X4000 is about $1000 cheaper.

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yeah at a quick glance the only difference I found was the 2 extra internal amps on the 7008.

But the x4000 has the pre-outs for the 11.2 still. There's even refurbs and used kicking around in the $7-800 range already... which is usually about where the price-drops hit as new units come out etc.

Awesome, another option, thx.

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The X4000 is very similar to the 7008, the X4000 being 7.2 and the 7008 being 9.2 - both have SubEQ HT. The X4000 only has processing for 9.2 channels (with amp) and the 7008 has processing for 11.2 (with amp). You can purchase the NR1010 for less than either and it has all the same features as the X4000, including SubEQ HT, and has more power.

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If it was I would consider one of those as well. I haven't really been shopping for a new receiver since I got the 818 so I'm not up on all the comparisons right now.

Either way it has features I would use like sub eq, Audyssey LFC (I have neighbors on my walls), HDMI matrix (3 out), 11.2, instaprevue. I liked the menu system and love how it looks too.

And it should be better than the 818 it msrp'd at twice the cost.

Cost does not translate to better.  Unless there are features you really need or want I'd stick with the 818.  They will not sound any different.

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The X4000 is very similar to the 7008, the X4000 being 7.2 and the 7008 being 9.2 - both have SubEQ HT. The X4000 only has processing for 9.2 channels (with amp) and the 7008 has processing for 11.2 (with amp). You can purchase the NR1010 for less than either and it has all the same features as the X4000, including SubEQ HT, and has more power.

ah yeah, sorry for the hijack 818 guys, last post on this, but you're right.... while it has pre-outs for 11.2 it only processes 9.2 at a time. Off the list again smile.gif
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Cost does not translate to better.  Unless there are features you really need or want I'd stick with the 818.  They will not sound any different.

I listed all the features I like, I meant that it "should" have better features (which it does) as it does msrp higher. I was throwing the 818 a bone smile.gif as it's a great receiver at it's price point.... It was worded poorly!

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I would be interested in blind test between the X4000, SR7008, NR818 and NR1010. I wish this was a more common practice, as I believe sighted tests introduce too much product bias.

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anyone have issues with using the iOS remote control apps?

it worked for a LONG time, and then suddenly, POOF gone.

the receiver is hard wired, and plays Spotify just fine.

tried uninstalling and reinstall the remote app

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hi i am wanting to add an external emotiva amp to power my tower speakers and take some load off  the 818. how does one add an external amp to the 818? can u even add an external amp to the onkyo 818?

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You would notice after a bit more use and some varied content.... processing 2 channels into 7.1 is a lot different than just basically duplicating the surrounds from 5.1 -> 7.1.

well I think it's a big deal anyhow.


After some critical listening, there's quite a difference. The 5.1 setting, directly from the source to the 818 produces a significant amount of bass and the surrounds are more distinct, you can hear more background noise giving a better surround presence.
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hi i am wanting to add an external emotiva amp to power my tower speakers and take some load off  the 818. how does one add an external amp to the 818? can u even add an external amp to the onkyo 818?

I'm in the same process, looking to add an external emotiva to run my fronts only. As far as I'm aware, you just connect the amp via RCA cables to the left and right front channels located in the pre- out section. There's a connection for each of the 5 main channels. You then run your speaker wire from the emotiva to the front speakers instead of having it running from the 818 left and right front channel banana connectors.

Could someone verify this, so I'll know I'm on the right track as well?? Thanks
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I'm in the same process, looking to add an external emotiva to run my fronts only. As far as I'm aware, you just connect the amp via RCA cables to the left and right front channels located in the pre- out section. There's a connection for each of the 5 main channels. You then run your speaker wire from the emotiva to the front speakers instead of having it running from the 818 left and right front channel banana connectors.

Could someone verify this, so I'll know I'm on the right track as well?? Thanks

You are correct. I use an XPA-5 to all channels.
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Don't be surprised if you put an amp on the remaining five channels down the road. Definition and separation will be just as impactful as the fronts.I recently upgraded to the NR818 as well to get full time Front High and Wide in Audyssey DSX. The Onkyo is only driving the Surrounds (easiest jobs of all). Emotiva XPA-5 and a pair of UPA-1 fronts does the rest of the work. Sublime!!
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Hello Gentlemen

Just recently, after running Audyssey for 2 new L/R speakers, I am noticing a significant amount of audio delay.  What I mean is if I pause the movie/cable or mute it when I play or unmute it takes 3-4 seconds for the audio to return.  I dont think it is a sync issue between audio and video becasue when it does return it is synced just fine.

It also happens when I am switching between audio modes i.e  TV logic to Audyssey DSX etc.

 

I tried search but to no avail.

 

Should I try running Audyysey again or is there a setting I can manipulate for this.

 

Thanks in advance

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Not too diminish the experience of the external amp guys, however unless your speakers have a pretty low sensitivity and you need to play reference level... You will get very little return on your money with separates, they definitely have their purpose and place, they are fun, look pretty...

Spending it on an extra sub or room treatments is where you will get your obvious performance for the money IMO.
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I'm in the same process, looking to add an external emotiva to run my fronts only. As far as I'm aware, you just connect the amp via RCA cables to the left and right front channels located in the pre- out section. There's a connection for each of the 5 main channels. You then run your speaker wire from the emotiva to the front speakers instead of having it running from the 818 left and right front channel banana connectors.

Could someone verify this, so I'll know I'm on the right track as well?? Thanks

Someone in an earlier post said there was a system setting you had to change to redirect the signal to the 2 channel amp in addition to the steps above. They also thought the redirect setting was for all 5 channels and not just two. Can someone confirm whether this is try or not? I also am in the midst of adding a 2 channel amp to my system for the fronts.
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Someone in an earlier post said there was a system setting you had to change to redirect the signal to the 2 channel amp in addition to the steps above. They also thought the redirect setting was for all 5 channels and not just two. Can someone confirm whether this is try or not? I also am in the midst of adding a 2 channel amp to my system for the fronts.

That setting does not apply to the main channels.

To use an external amp on the L/R, do what was suggested a few posts back; just connect a pair of interconnects from the L/R analog outs to the new amp, then connect the speaker lines to the new amp.

After the new amp is installed, you would probably want to do a quick check to make sure that the channel levels have not changed, which may happen depending on the sensitivity of the new amp. If so, you can rebalance with an SPL meter, or re-run Audyssey.
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That setting does not apply to the main channels.

To use an external amp on the L/R, do what was suggested a few posts back; just connect a pair of interconnects from the L/R analog outs to the new amp, then connect the speaker lines to the new amp.

After the new amp is installed, you would probably want to do a quick check to make sure that the channel levels have not changed, which may happen depending on the sensitivity of the new amp. If so, you can rebalance with an SPL meter, or re-run Audyssey.

Thanks! Appreciate the new info. I think I will be running Peachtree separates through an amp/DAC and paired 2 channel amp that does not have HT bypass. My understanding is that I have to set volume on the pre/DAC at the noon position and then run audyssey to calibrate. After that, I always need to have pre at the noon position before switching to stereo mode.

I guess the other option is to run an A/B switch. If I ran the A/B switch, what would the wiring setup be so I could use my fronts for stereo through the pre/DAC connected to a 2 channel amp and 5 channel HT using the onkyo as pre and the fronts through my 2 channel amp (bypassing the pre/DAC it is connected to) and the other speakers connected to my onkyo?
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Hello Gentlemen

Just recently, after running Audyssey for 2 new L/R speakers, I am noticing a significant amount of audio delay.  What I mean is if I pause the movie/cable or mute it when I play or unmute it takes 3-4 seconds for the audio to return.  I dont think it is a sync issue between audio and video becasue when it does return it is synced just fine.

It also happens when I am switching between audio modes i.e  TV logic to Audyssey DSX etc.

 

I tried search but to no avail.

 

Should I try running Audyysey again or is there a setting I can manipulate for this.

 

Thanks in advance

Cheers

I forgot to mention I repurposed some bookshelf speakers to use as the L/R wides and that when I did run Audyssey it took an awfully long time for each speaker after it figured out how many speakers I have attached.

I also searched in the Audyssey thread but since it is an issue with the AVR i figured I would post here.

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Thanks! Appreciate the new info. I think I will be running Peachtree separates through an amp/DAC and paired 2 channel amp that does not have HT bypass. My understanding is that I have to set volume on the pre/DAC at the noon position and then run audyssey to calibrate. After that, I always need to have pre at the noon position before switching to stereo mode.

I guess the other option is to run an A/B switch. If I ran the A/B switch, what would the wiring setup be so I could use my fronts for stereo through the pre/DAC connected to a 2 channel amp and 5 channel HT using the onkyo as pre and the fronts through my 2 channel amp (bypassing the pre/DAC it is connected to) and the other speakers connected to my onkyo?

Half way on the Peachtree will be a good place to start, although in practice you may need to go higher to balance the L/R with the other channels.

I would expect that the Peachtree is expecting a full line level signal at its inputs (between 1 and 2 volts depending the sensitivity of the input). The output from the 818 L/R will probably be significantly below that unless the channel trim is maxed out.

I just went through this same exercise myself, and found that on my external amp (which actually has a volume knob…Audiosource AMP100) I need to go wide open. That allows me to keep the 818 trims away for maximum settings. And before any asks, the Audiosource is in there for test purposes to see how much cooler the 818 runs w/o driving the L/R. My low sensitivity NHT Classics make the 818 top too hot to touch at even moderate levels. I don't like that, as it can be doing nothing good for the life of the 818.
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I forgot to mention I repurposed some bookshelf speakers to use as the L/R wides and that when I did run Audyssey it took an awfully long time for each speaker after it figured out how many speakers I have attached.
I also searched in the Audyssey thread but since it is an issue with the AVR i figured I would post here.

I've been considering that as well, with my Onk 717 (7.2, 110 wpc). I also re-purposed a pair of small but decent bookshelf speakers for L/R surrounds, in a small/medium living room environment.

I am very un-impressed with L/R surrounds in a 5.1 setup, and I've been mulling over not using surrounds. I am not sure how to set this up, but I want to run L/C/R, the bookshelf speakers for wides, and my sub. What do you run, and what would you recommend? (ie. 5.1 plus the wides, or 3.1 plus the wides?)

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I've been considering that as well, with my Onk 717 (7.2, 110 wpc). I also re-purposed a pair of small but decent bookshelf speakers for L/R surrounds, in a small/medium living room environment.

I am very un-impressed with L/R surrounds in a 5.1 setup, and I've been mulling over not using surrounds. I am not sure how to set this up, but I want to run L/C/R, the bookshelf speakers for wides, and my sub. What do you run, and what would you recommend? (ie. 5.1 plus the wides, or 3.1 plus the wides?)

Why in the world would you not run surrounds? You would be missing a ton of information in a movie... The question to ask is: did you run Audyssey? Did you run Audyssey correctly? Are dynamic listening modes engaged?

If you are substituting the wides instead of surrounds because of lack of extra speakers...I wouldn't. 5.1 on it's own...not to mention plus wides, (or heights) would benefit you much more than 3.1 plus anything.

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I've been considering that as well, with my Onk 717 (7.2, 110 wpc). I also re-purposed a pair of small but decent bookshelf speakers for L/R surrounds, in a small/medium living room environment.

I am very un-impressed with L/R surrounds in a 5.1 setup, and I've been mulling over not using surrounds. I am not sure how to set this up, but I want to run L/C/R, the bookshelf speakers for wides, and my sub. What do you run, and what would you recommend? (ie. 5.1 plus the wides, or 3.1 plus the wides?)

Dynamic EQ will bring the surrounds to life. They can be a little quiet depending on source/setup but even the subtle tick tocks of a clock in the surrounds watching House of Cards was a nice effect.

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