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post #9271 of 10022 Old 03-06-2014, 04:34 AM
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Thought I'd post this in case anybody else has an issue with their 818 like I did with tv programming & the sub thump when listening mode changes. With the replacement 818, the thump is still there, just not as bad, so I bought new hdmi ferrite core cables & while that improved the pq & channel switching, still some thump. I have Dish Network so went into the audio setup & turned off volume levelling & no more thump! Wish I'd thought of that before I sent the other unit back lol. So I guess, the issue has something to do with the way the 722k from Dish processes the volume control. Only downside to that now is that SD channels are much louder now than HD lol. I'm just guessing that is the fix, only time will tell. Kinda odd is all I know not to mention confusing! eek.gif

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You've got to love the audiophile forums where folks bash your choices versus answer the question you posted. Thanks to the folks who answered my original question.

That's not really fair, if you don't know how to connect the gear it's safe to assume you don't know if you need it.... also it's not much of an audiophile forum if people don't offer opinions on where you will get better sound for your money.

It's just information, nothing to get upset about.

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I never use volume leveling but tried to see if I could replicate this. I could not but I have the Hopper instead of 722.
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Thought I'd post this in case anybody else has an issue with their 818 like I did with tv programming & the sub thump when listening mode changes. With the replacement 818, the thump is still there, just not as bad, so I bought new hdmi ferrite core cables & while that improved the pq & channel switching, still some thump. I have Dish Network so went into the audio setup & turned off volume levelling & no more thump! Wish I'd thought of that before I sent the other unit back lol. So I guess, the issue has something to do with the way the 722k from Dish processes the volume control. Only downside to that now is that SD channels are much louder now than HD lol. I'm just guessing that is the fix, only time will tell. Kinda odd is all I know not to mention confusing! eek.gif
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thx for trying, don't use volume control on the avr, but did on the 722 cuz of the loud commercials etc

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That's not really fair, if you don't know how to connect the gear it's safe to assume you don't know if you need it.... also it's not much of an audiophile forum if people don't offer opinions on where you will get better sound for your money.

It's just information, nothing to get upset about.

Fishtank- that's not how it came across to me.

I bought something and asked for advice on how to configure it with my 818. Instead of helping, I get a post telling me I am wasting my time and money. Then another post to that effect. If you just bought something, is that what you'd like to hear?

What's the old adage - if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all?

I wasn't going to respond but decided to do so after the second post in the hopes that people would think twice before they render opinions versus answering the OP's request for assistance.

'Nuff said.
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Fishtank- that's not how it came across to me.

I bought something and asked for advice on how to configure it with my 818. Instead of helping, I get a post telling me I am wasting my time and money. Then another post to that effect. If you just bought something, is that what you'd like to hear?

What's the old adage - if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all?

I wasn't going to respond but decided to do so after the second post in the hopes that people would think twice before they render opinions versus answering the OP's request for assistance.

'Nuff said.


Tact is subjective. Nothing mean was said, It was all simply information... you just took it personally. Also It's a public forum... Just because you ask the question doesn't mean you own the answers. If people have to read your questions I think it's fair they get to read any relevant opinions... even if you didn't like them.

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... so I bought new hdmi ferrite core cables & while that improved the pq & channel switching

Hmmm...

It's doubtful your pq improved unless you had sparkles or periodic image drops, IMHO.

I'm sorry you were hearing a thump. Good it's fixed by adjusting your source.
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Imagine it's more the 818 that improved pq than the cables, nonetheless, does look a bit sharper to mine eyes, even tho I had the tv pro calibrated 2 years ago; or not. tongue.gif Posted my issue with the 722k on the Dish support forum & also the Dish forum at highdefforum hoping somebody will have a clue what's up with the pvr since it didn't do the thump with the 180. Inquiring minds wanna know LOL.

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I am streaming my iPhone music to the front usb using the Onkyo bluetooth adaptor.  I can't get the music to sound very good.  It seriously lacks bass unless I crank up the gain on my sub.  

 

Can anyone make a recommendation on what audio mode would be the best or if there is some other reason for the lack of good bass.  Watching movies the sub (PSA XV15) shakes the house.

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I am streaming my iPhone music to the front usb using the Onkyo bluetooth adaptor.  I can't get the music to sound very good.  It seriously lacks bass unless I crank up the gain on my sub.  

Can anyone make a recommendation on what audio mode would be the best or if there is some other reason for the lack of good bass.  Watching movies the sub (PSA XV15) shakes the house.

Have you tried "Pure Audio" you will lose the sub.

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What surround mode are you using? What are the crossover settings for your front speakers?
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I am streaming my iPhone music to the front usb using the Onkyo bluetooth adaptor.  I can't get the music to sound very good.  It seriously lacks bass unless I crank up the gain on my sub.  

Can anyone make a recommendation on what audio mode would be the best or if there is some other reason for the lack of good bass.  Watching movies the sub (PSA XV15) shakes the house.
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I am streaming my iPhone music to the front usb using the Onkyo bluetooth adaptor.  I can't get the music to sound very good.  It seriously lacks bass unless I crank up the gain on my sub.  

Can anyone make a recommendation on what audio mode would be the best or if there is some other reason for the lack of good bass.  Watching movies the sub (PSA XV15) shakes the house.

Do you have Music Optimizer on? My bass is noticeably louder with it on while playing music through my iphone.

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Under the setup menu, speaker setup, then equalizer settings, you can set those manually or off. How do you set the eq manually? Do you need a meter or something to test for sound level? In my Trans Am, all you do is move a slider up or down & I assume the principle is the same here with the + & - dB but how do know the right levels etc? I've never had this kind of eq before so just kinda wondering. Thx biggrin.gif

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Under the setup menu, speaker setup, then equalizer settings, you can set those manually or off. How do you set the eq manually? Do you need a meter or something to test for sound level? In my Trans Am, all you do is move a slider up or down & I assume the principle is the same here with the + & - dB but how do know the right levels etc? I've never had this kind of eq before so just kinda wondering. Thx biggrin.gif

 

Use the same meter you use in the Trans Am. It has two mics, one on each side of your head.

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I could use some feedback on these settings AFTER running Audyssey using all 8 positions.

I do NOT have a sub in my set up consisting of Rti A7 (fronts), Csi A6(center) and Fxi A6 (Surrounds).
I know that with a sub the norm is to set all your speakers to Small and cross them at 80 hz.


After running Audyssey i just did a quick check of the following:

Speaker Configuraton
Sub -->NO
Front --> Full Band
Center --> 40 hz
Surround -->120hz

Distance for the Fronts and center speaker are all at 7.5 ft

Level Calibration
Left --> -1.5 db
Center --> 3.0db
Right --> + 1.5db

Regarding the Speaker Configuration, should i leave the cross over settings as they are or should i tweak them to 80 hz even with out a sub while the Fronts are set to Full Band.

Secondly, regarding the Level Calibration , should the db settings not be identical for all 3 or at a minimum the same for both front speakers.
I am confused about how the 2 front speakers can have different db settings even though they have an identical distance setting from the primary listening position.

Thanks for any input

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No takers.

I'll give the Audyssey thread a shot.

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Probably the Audyssey threads would be a better place for the discussion, and waiting only 5 hours isn't a lot in a forum, but.....level setting depends on your speakers as well as placement (overall in your room, not just distance, perhaps affected by reflections, corner positioning, that sort of thing). As to crossover it's really your preference although generally better with Audyssey to only raise a crossover level rather than lower one.

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Thanks for the feedback

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Adding a better DAC and pre for music listening.

What?
You're sending an analog signal from the 818, not digital.

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I could use some feedback on these settings AFTER running Audyssey using all 8 positions.

Regarding the Speaker Configuration, should i leave the cross over settings as they are or should i tweak them to 80 hz even with out a sub while the Fronts are set to Full Band.

Secondly, regarding the Level Calibration , should the db settings not be identical for all 3 or at a minimum the same for both front speakers.
I am confused about how the 2 front speakers can have different db settings even though they have an identical distance setting from the primary listening position.

Thanks for any input


You should leave the crossover settings as is, or you will have no content below 80hz.

As for the DB levels, it's why Audyssey gets used... to match the level's to your room conditions. It does a lot more than match DB levels of course but that would part of it. I would guess your setup leave's one tower closer to a corner/wall than the other...but it could even just be a bad reading I guess.

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I could use some feedback on these settings AFTER running Audyssey using all 8 positions.

Regarding the Speaker Configuration, should i leave the cross over settings as they are or should i tweak them to 80 hz even with out a sub while the Fronts are set to Full Band.

Secondly, regarding the Level Calibration , should the db settings not be identical for all 3 or at a minimum the same for both front speakers.
I am confused about how the 2 front speakers can have different db settings even though they have an identical distance setting from the primary listening position.

Thanks for any input


You should leave the crossover settings as is, or you will have no content below 80hz.

As for the DB levels, it's why Audyssey gets used... to match the level's to your room conditions. It does a lot more than match DB levels of course but that would part of it. I would guess your setup leave's one tower closer to a corner/wall than the other...but it could even just be a bad reading I guess.

Thanks for the help.

I think i will leave well alone for now until some one with an identical setup suggests otherwise.

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Looking at one of these on website for $679

It shows that it is "Walnut" under color.
I'm assuming this is a misprint but just checking if anyone knows if there is such a thing?
Is everyone fairly happy with this model?
I currently have the 606 and have liked it.
Just looking to upgrade.
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Looking at one of these on website for $679

It shows that it is "Walnut" under color.
I'm assuming this is a misprint but just checking if anyone knows if there is such a thing?
Is everyone fairly happy with this model?
I currently have the 606 and have liked it.
Just looking to upgrade.

818 comes in black or silver.

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My 818 has started to have a no sound when turned on. When I turn it back off and then on and sometimes it comes on. Is this an HDMI issue.
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My 818 has started to have a no sound when turned on. When I turn it back off and then on and sometimes it comes on. Is this an HDMI issue.

Could be.  Next time try unplugging the cable and replugging in rather than power cycle and see if they does it.  Or cycle power to the display.

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I'm confused. What are you crossing over to if you have no sub? Isn't the point of crossover to determine when the sub takes over or are you crossing over to your fronts?
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818 comes in black or silver.

The silver is only in Europe correct?

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Has anyone added a 2 channel 5010 (or m-282 old model) amp to make their 818 a 9 channel amp? If you have do you notice a difference? Is it worth the cost of the extra amp and two more speakers?
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Has anyone added a 2 channel 5010 (or m-282 old model) amp to make their 818 a 9 channel amp? If you have do you notice a difference? Is it worth the cost of the extra amp and two more speakers?

It is better to use the amp for your existing front main L/R speakers, this way you get the most out of the amp. and lower the power duty on the AVR. The leftover channels could go on as heights, wides or whatever have u.
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Has anyone added a 2 channel 5010 (or m-282 old model) amp to make their 818 a 9 channel amp? If you have do you notice a difference? Is it worth the cost of the extra amp and two more speakers?

yes, I personally love the H and W channels however your mileage will vary depending on your room dimensions, I just run my Wide channels on an old 300w carver and assigned the H channel to the back surround amps.
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It is better to use the amp for your existing front main L/R speakers, this way you get the most out of the amp. and lower the power duty on the AVR. The leftover channels could go on as heights, wides or whatever have u.

True but the 818 doesn't give you full control over the assignable amps. You can basically only assign surrounds into width or height channels if I remember right. If you want to use 9 channels, you will HAVE to amp either back surrounds OR height OR wide channels. If you power your main L/R on a separate you're still going to need another amp for 9.2

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