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It's generally not cost effective to use the Pro Kit on an XT model as it simply allows for more tweaking of XT. At a cost of $700 [$550 (kit) + $150 (license)], you're better served upgrading to an XT32 model rather than going XT+Pro Kit.

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You can always add the Pro kit later when the upgrade bug strikes.
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Valid point and if I had the additional cash for a PR-SC5509 I probably would have bought it. I run Genelec monitors on long XLR cables so will likely see an increase in noise if I went the RCA which may even outweigh the benefits of XT32. Also as you may have seen with BD/HDDVD I am a first week grey import adopter of new formats so hopefully am only a few years away from 4K BD and a 4K TV and the Marantz being able to switch 4K will be useful at that point.
The 4311 is not the bragain here in the UK that it is in the USA and even at this point in its life will cost me a little bit more than the 7701 although XT32 and Denonlink are both nice to have. What do you think of your 7005? Will you be upgrading to XT32 soon?

Ahhh, I can see that you have thought about it then !!

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I'm happy with the AV7005 for now, but yeah, I want XT32 someday. I was really disappointed that the AV7701 won't have it. I actually had an A100 here (the anniversary model of the 4311) for a little while, but I couldn't get myself to open the box. I.e., I want a pre/pro as a pre/pro and not an AVR as a pre/pro.

So most likely I'll be looking at the Marantz 8xxx when it comes out. I just can't bring myself to get an Onkyo/Integra with all the software/hardware/fw/support issues I've come across over the years. The Marantz AV7005, for me, has been absolutely trouble free from the start. So I'm really inclined to stay with them. I was looking at the Outlaw SSP, but alas, that didn't come to pass.

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Ahhh, I can see that you have thought about it then !!
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I'm happy with the AV7005 for now, but yeah, I want XT32 someday. I was really disappointed that the AV7701 won't have it. I actually had an A100 here (the anniversary model of the 4311) for a little while, but I couldn't get myself to open the box. I.e., I want a pre/pro as a pre/pro and not an AVR as a pre/pro.
So most likely I'll be looking at the Marantz 8xxx when it comes out. I just can't bring myself to get an Onkyo/Integra with all the software/hardware/fw/support issues I've come across over the years. The Marantz AV7005, for me, has been absolutely trouble free from the start. So I'm really inclined to stay with them. I was looking at the Outlaw SSP, but alas, that didn't come to pass.

I was briefly tempted by the Emotiva but decided not to take the risk; in the end the 3 zone with Android control and proven track record was worth more to me than a likely slightly cleaner signal path for stereo. My dad has an AVP and it is a rock solid and lovely sounding unit; a better experience than I've had with any Onkyo (Including my current IR RDC-7.1) and hopefully an indicator of Denon/Marantz quality.
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I was briefly tempted by the Emotiva but decided not to take the risk; in the end the 3 zone with Android control and proven track record was worth more to me than a likely slightly cleaner signal path for stereo. My dad has an AVP and it is a rock solid and lovely sounding unit; a better experience than I've had with any Onkyo (Including my current IR RDC-7.1) and hopefully an indicator of Denon/Marantz quality.

Wow, you still have that IR RDC-7.1? I dumped mine for an AVP long ago. I'm still incredibly angry with Oinkyo for they way they screwed us. I'll never never ever ever buy a Oinkyo product.

On a happier note I picked up a Marantz AV-7005 for a second system and absolutely love it.
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Wow, you still have that IR RDC-7.1? I dumped mine for an AVP long ago. I'm still incredibly angry with Oinkyo for they way they screwed us. I'll never never ever ever buy a Oinkyo product.
On a happier note I picked up a Marantz AV-7005 for a second system and absolutely love it.

I still have my IR RDC 7.1! Its in my big system, but I've only partially reassembeld that since I moved to a new house (2 channel, not 7.1 at the moment) and it's not getting used very much.

I just bought a Marantz receiver for a second system as well. I got the SR7007 and so far I am extremely pleased, so much so that I will be looking seriously at one of the upcoming new Marantz PrePros to replace the IR unit.

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This will be my first Pre/Pro and I 'm gonna get the Marantz AV 7701 when it is available. As far as XT 32 room correction goes, my installer says It may not even be necessary. This would all depend on your room configuration. Worst case could have him use Pro Kit setup that I hear of?

Also I primarily will listen to 2 channel pure mode using my Vincent Amp. In the case is the Audyssey correction disabled anyway??

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This will be my first Pre/Pro and I 'm gonna get the Marantz AV 7701 when it is available. As far as XT 32 room correction goes, my installer says It may not even be necessary. This would all depend on your room configuration. Worst case could have him use Pro Kit setup that I hear of?
Also I primarily will listen to 2 channel pure mode using my Vincent Amp. In the case is the Audyssey correction disabled anyway??
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What is your setup? 5.1? 7.2? XT32 is obviously better but really shines with dual subs. You might want to use Audyssey even if 2 channel mode, but that's a personal decision you should experiment with.

Either way, if the AV7701 sounds anything like the AV7005 you'll be happy.
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What is your setup? 5.1? 7.2? XT32 is obviously better but really shines with dual subs. You might want to use Audyssey even if 2 channel mode, but that's a personal decision you should experiment with.
Either way, if the AV7701 sounds anything like the AV7005 you'll be happy.

Currently 5.1 using a B&K Av 301 receiver with external amp for main fronts.
I'm going for 7.1 when I get the Marantz Pre/pro. I will get there 5 channel amp 7055 and continue to use my 2 channel amp for front mains.
Want to go with 2 front width speaker set-up.

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This will be my first Pre/Pro and I 'm gonna get the Marantz AV 7701 when it is available. As far as XT 32 room correction goes, my installer says It may not even be necessary. This would all depend on your room configuration. Worst case could have him use Pro Kit setup that I hear of?
Also I primarily will listen to 2 channel pure mode using my Vincent Amp. In the case is the Audyssey correction disabled anyway??
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Actually it more depends on whether you prefer better audio fidelity .... as XT32 will provide that upgrade much more so than using the Pro Kit on an XT unit. Some would say using XT+Pro Kit might provide a 10% improvement, while going from XT to XT32 provides a 20-30% improvement.

Although using PURE or DIRECT modes will disable Audyssey, you will more than likely find you prefer using Audyssey once you adjust to it.

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^you sure about this? I always heard the Pro kit over writes the buffer and makes your unit an XT32. Now I don't own a Pro kit, but was on the edge of buying one. I also just assumed if you had an XT32, the Pro would even improve that too??

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^^^

the pro kit enhances whatever flavor of audyssey you have... it doesn't make a xt unit a xt32 unit...

echoing earlier comments... the difference between xt and xt32 is significant... the addition of the pro kit is minimal... "worth it" to some (myself included, since i'm a geek redface.gif ), but it's the icing on the cake, it doesn't change the flavor of the cake...

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^you sure about this? I always heard the Pro kit over writes the buffer and makes your unit an XT32. Now I don't own a Pro kit, but was on the edge of buying one. I also just assumed if you had an XT32, the Pro would even improve that too??

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq

A difference of Pro vs standard is that you can use up to 32 measuring positions. While XT32 differs from XT in that it uses up to 32x the filter resolution (for mains. for subs 4x). Maybe you got that confused?

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This will be my first Pre/Pro and I 'm gonna get the Marantz AV 7701 when it is available. As far as XT 32 room correction goes, my installer says It may not even be necessary. This would all depend on your room configuration. Worst case could have him use Pro Kit setup that I hear of?

Also I primarily will listen to 2 channel pure mode using my Vincent Amp. In the case is the Audyssey correction disabled anyway??

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i've never seen a room that doesn't require help in the modal zone, and that is where xt32 really shines...

"pure" mode is the worst mode to use if you are striving for fidelity...

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Just found this thread.

Has anyone actually gotten the 7701 or is this more like an "anticipation" thread?

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AFAIK, the 7701 hasn't been released yet, but very soon though ... so anticipation for now. smile.gif

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I thought the kit "combined with a laptop" enabled the 32 bit filtering and then saved the whole enchilada to the unit. I didn't think it kept ther current system intact with a few tweaks. hmm... to bad...

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Nope ...as Chris noted ... the Pro Kit only allows tweaks of the Audyssey version used on the AVR which is why if someone is considering the kit ($700) or having an installer use their kit (~$400), you're generally better served just upgrading to an AVR with XT32 and bypass the XT model.

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That $1100 addition would automatically drive me to the AV8801. I was on the edge of committing to my dealer for a 7701 and the pro kit.

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Or do as Chris did and choose the 4311CI (selling his AV7005 and external amp for a Denon AVR 4311CI/A100). smile.gif Based on the posts in the Denon 4311CI thread on the benefit of XT32 over XT, if budget is not an issue, then either the 4311CI/A100, 4520CI, or 8801 would be the better choices over the 7701+Pro Kit.

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^this I think Denon/Marantz shot themselves in the foot over this.

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AFAIK, the 7701 hasn't been released yet, but very soon though ... so anticipation for now. smile.gif

My dealer has told me to expect delivery in the 2nd or 3rd week of October.
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Wow, you still have that IR RDC-7.1? I dumped mine for an AVP long ago. I'm still incredibly angry with Oinkyo for they way they screwed us. I'll never never ever ever buy a Oinkyo product.
On a happier note I picked up a Marantz AV-7005 for a second system and absolutely love it.

Good to hear a positive review of the 7005 from someone with similar taste in sound. I'm slightly soured towards Onkyo as well after their treatment of the modular platform; what really irritates me is you can tell from the service manual that multichannel PCM HDMI would have been possible but they chose to dump the platform.
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My dealer has told me to expect delivery in the 2nd or 3rd week of October.

Great! Thanks for the update.

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Or do as Chris did and choose the 4311CI (selling his AV7005 and external amp for a Denon AVR 4311CI/A100). smile.gif Based on the posts in the Denon 4311CI thread on the benefit of XT32 over XT, if budget is not an issue, then either the 4311CI/A100, 4520CI, or 8801 would be the better choices over the 7701+Pro Kit.

yup... i really liked my av7005, but the 4311 is a superior unit... no doubt there... objective results bear this out...
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^this I think Denon/Marantz shot themselves in the foot over this.

possibly... but it's product differentiation... i doubt they'll actually sell any significant number of the av8xxx models to begin with, but they would sell significantly fewer if that wasn't a differentiating feature... the more that potential buyers start to understand "what really matters" vs. "what they wish/hope matters", the harder it is to sell a comparatively expensive piece...

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i doubt they'll actually sell any significant number of the av8xxx models to begin with, but they would sell significantly fewer if that wasn't a differentiating feature... the more that potential buyers start to understand "what really matters" vs. "what they wish/hope matters", the harder it is to sell a comparatively expensive piece...

But I would assume Denon and Marantz would sell many more 3313s, 7007s and 7701s if XT32 was onboard. I would have definitely bought the 3313 or the 7701 if either unit had XT32. I went with the 4311 which I'm quite happy with but would have preferred a more current unit. The lack of XT32 will I'm sure provide more sales for Onkyo wink.gif. Those that can afford the 4520 and the 8801 would probably go for them whether the lower cost units had XT32 or not IMO.

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maybe...

but the fact that onkyo goes directly from xt32 to 2eq as you drop down the model lines tells me something about the marketplace though... wink.gif

also, onkyo has always been the "feature/price leader", this is no different...

going by your theory, they'd sell a lot more of their lower models if they made them more feature rich as well... but it don't work that way if you have multiple models in your product line... you can't cannibalize your own sales...

also, note the last sentence in my previous post... even though some are learning, there are still people who will wilingly spend money "hoping" for better results... look how many av7005's got sold, for example... smile.gif

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That was a choice made by Onkyo. Maybe their market research (if they actually do any smile.gif) indicated lower end AVR buyers are not concerned with what level Audyssey is in the AVRs that they buy.

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True but D&M could have stepped it up in their mid level models.

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going by your theory, they'd sell a lot more of their lower models if they made them more feature rich as well... but it don't work that way if you have multiple models in your product line... you can't cannibalize your own sales...

Since when are the 3313, 7707 and the 7701 lower tier models? How can you say that it would not work? I have seen numerous posts here on AVS from those that are buying Onkyo AVRs instead of Denons due to the lack of XT32. How would D&M be cannibalizing their sales if they offered XT32 in the 3313, 7007 and 7701? What D&M should have done was offer XT32 in these three units then forgo Audyssey Pro and offer it only in the 4520/8801 units.

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also, note the last sentence in my previous post... even though some are learning, there are still people who will wilingly spend money "hoping" for better results... look how many av7005's got sold, for example... smile.gif

I still believe those with the funds to buy top of the line components will continue to do so because they can. Of course many in that group are looking for the best in performance and features. But some just want to be able to lay claim to the fact they own the top of the line components wink.gif.

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, watch it grow and my wallet shrink ;-).

 

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I suppose the 4311 vs 7701 choice depends on your priorities. The 4311 is now available with £50 of the price I agreed for a 7701 in the UK but the features that matter to me on each look a bit like this:

AV7701:
XLR - Important as I currently use XLR to my Genelecs and some runs are over 20 feet.
4K Support - Will be important in about 2 years, I keep my gear usually for 5 years or more. Having to run a second HDMI to the display to work around this is awkward.
Airplay to Zone2 - I use 3 Zones and will sometimes use Airplay
Zone 2 HDMI - Will likely be used when I move house
192 Flac Support - Just about relevant as I have some of these and its nice not to be forced to downsample the files
Most of the other new features are irrelevant to me. All of the losses from last years model are irrelevant to me.

AVR4311:
XT32 - Relevant as I'm assured it would give a decent boost in SQ
Denonlink - Just about relevant but eventually will rip my SACDs and hence have no use for a disc spinner and Denon are unikely to offer a decent media streamer with Denonlink
11.2 - Irrelevant as I only use 5.1 and 2 additional zones

If I'm missing something then let me know. The 7701 just has too many advantages as far as I can see; 4312 vs 7701 would be a much more difficult call but there is a significant price difference. The Onkyo 818 was the next best as far as I can see but I never could work out it if it could passthrough and overlay 4K and the other really nice feature of DSF playback is unfortnuately stereo only but it is a third cheaper and offers XT32.
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