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post #1 of 15 Old 06-03-2012, 01:15 PM - Thread Starter
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I am building a basic budget system for my small-medium living room (12x17).
I have a Bic F12 sub on its way with some amazon gift cards. I am looking at polk monitor 40's up front, a CS2 center, and monitor 30's for rear for now.

Receiver question, I am looking at several.. the Denon AVR-791... the Denon 1712... or the Onkyo HT-R590... all are 7.1.. the onkyo is cheaper and has more options as far as inputs etc. (my plan was to run two opticals as inputs, one being my Directv HR24 and the other the ps3) I know onkyo are having some problems with several of their models but I didnt see this one listed. I am leaning towards the 1712 but it is the more expensive one out of this list and has similar features to the others and doesnt have the 2 optical inputs. Ideas between these?

Do I really need a 7.1? Would a 5.1 give me plenty of good audio for movies for my size room? I can get a 5.1 much cheaper, like a Denon AVR-591...

I am so torn in a lot of ways.. and on a TIGHT budget

EDIT: Also toss in the sherwood R-772 Newcastle into the mix.. I have not heard of sherwood but I like the specs and options.
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I strongly urge you to go with whichever Denon receiver meets your needs. They have more robust power supplies and better audio quality than most of the others, and Home Theater magazine has repeatedly flagged the AVR1612 and others as the best buy for the money. The AVR 1612 would probably be the best choice unless it is missing some feature you have to have. It has four HDMI inputs and one component-video input, which should be sufficient. It has good power for those speakers.

Optical outputs/inputs carry two-channel audio only and the audio quality is not the best. They do not carry video. They are worthless for your purposes.

You should use HDMI or component audio/video for all inputs to the receiver. If your input devices do not have HDMI or component audio/video outputs, they are obsolete and badly need replacing (actually, the manual for the HR24 says that it does have an HDMI output that you can connect to your receiver, and I am sure the PS3 does too...).

The HDMI output of the receiver will connect to the TV.

Those speakers are a very good budget choice IMO. If you are on a tight budget, it is silly to even consider 7.1. Your room will be served well by a 5.1 system.

IMO, Sherwood makes the lowest quality of anything on the market; I wouldn't believe one single thing in their specs, and I wouldn't touch their stuff with a 10-foot pole.



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I am building a basic budget system for my small-medium living room (12x17).
I have a Bic F12 sub on its way with some amazon gift cards. I am looking at polk monitor 40's up front, a CS2 center, and monitor 30's for rear for now.

Receiver question, I am looking at several.. the Denon AVR-791... the Denon 1712... or the Onkyo HT-R590... all are 7.1.. the onkyo is cheaper and has more options as far as inputs etc. (my plan was to run two opticals as inputs, one being my Directv HR24 and the other the ps3) I know onkyo are having some problems with several of their models but I didnt see this one listed. I am leaning towards the 1712 but it is the more expensive one out of this list and has similar features to the others and doesnt have the 2 optical inputs. Ideas between these?

Do I really need a 7.1? Would a 5.1 give me plenty of good audio for movies for my size room? I can get a 5.1 much cheaper, like a Denon AVR-591...

I am so torn in a lot of ways.. and on a TIGHT budget

EDIT: Also toss in the sherwood R-772 Newcastle into the mix.. I have not heard of sherwood but I like the specs and options.

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I'd recommemd the 1712, as it has a better level of Audyssey (multiEQ) , which includes the subwoofer / lower frequencies. the lesser models, including the 1612 and below, only offer 2EQ. AFAIK . Worth it to me... YMMV.
Commy is right about the digital AUDIO inputs... would still require separate wiring for VIDEO.

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Do I really need a 7.1?

No, and those 2 extra surround channels don't really add much at all. You should make a decision based on other factors.

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I'd recommemd the 1712, as it has a better level of Audyssey (multiEQ) , which includes the subwoofer / lower frequencies. the lesser models, including the 1612 and below, only offer 2EQ. AFAIK . Worth it to me... YMMV.

Correction:

The 1312 only has the 2EQ while the 1612 has MultiEQ. The 1712 steps up again in terms of Audyssey software as it includes the MultiEQ XT. The 1612 has some other extra networking-related features that the 1712 does not, however. If you need/want those, the 1612 is the way to go.

If you don't or it's not that important (you may have other networking solutions for audio and/or video; Sonos or Squeezebox networked players for audio, for example. Dune, Popcorn Hour, etc., for networked video players), then it's a moot point. Go with the 1712 as it has the somewhat more sophisticated version of Audyssey.


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Thanks Cruel,

I stand corrected.

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Sounds like 1712 is it... talked it over with the wife.. thanks for the help guys!
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Correction:

The 1312 only has the 2EQ while the 1612 has MultiEQ. The 1712 steps up again in terms of Audyssey software as it includes the MultiEQ XT. The 1612 has some other extra networking-related features that the 1712 does not, however. If you need/want those, the 1612 is the way to go.

Actually .. the 1312 has NO EQ at all and the 1612 is NOT network capable at all. The lowest level networking is the 1912.

@deboardfam - Review the Denon AVR-XX12 Owner's thread linked in my sig (post #2) to learn the details of the XX12 model AVRs.

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wow, I really botched that answer then, jdsmoothie! I sit corrected.

So there's really no reason to ever recommend the 1612 as long as the 1712 is available. Unless the relatively small price difference between the two is that much of a financial impediment for someone.


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Unless a USB port is wanted for an iPod or smart phone to play music as while the 1612 has a front USB port, the 1712 does not.

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Optical outputs/inputs carry two-channel audio only and the audio quality is not the best. They do not carry video. They are worthless for your purposes.

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Uh, no. Optical can do 5.1 and the quality is excellent, although optical won't handle 7.1 like HDMI. Optical is the second best digital audio connection after HDMI.

Otherwise I'd agree about using HDMI for your audio/video connections to the AVR from your PS3 and Directv box if your TV is HDMI compatible, although even then you may want to use an optical to connect the tv to the avr if you don't have ARC capability to source audio from OTA or tv apps or if your tv still only provides 2.0 with HDMI.
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Uh, no. Optical can do 5.1 and the quality is excellent.

Yes, but just to be clear, optical cables and digital coax can't handle hi-resolution audio, such as the hi-rez tracks from BluRays, SACDs, or digital audio.

BTW, DenonLink 3 or 4 does handle hi-rez audio at least as well as HDMI does (if you have 2 pieces of Denon equipment that have this feature).

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I was looking at getting the 1712 as well and it's sold out. Is this one the next step up from the 1712? I would rather step up, not down in model.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR890/DENON-AVR-890-7.1-Channel-105W-A/V-1.3a-Receiver/1.html
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No .. although a higher model, it is only HDMI 1.3 and uses the lower version of MultEQ rather than MultEQ XT that the 1712 uses. In order to get the same version of Audyssey as on the 1712, you would have to upgrade to at least the 2112CI.

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