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I have been looking for a Home Theater processor for some time now. Even several receivers.
Now I am getting ever closer to pulling the trigger, but want to get some more opinions on what may be out there that I might be over-looking.
My question is: are there any pre-pro’s out there for $1500?
I know about the Integra DHC 40.2 and 80.3, but the 80.3 at $2500 is a bit out of my price range. I’ve looked at the Emotiva UMC-1. I also know the Emotiva XMC-1 is slated to come out soon. I'm just looking at all my options.

Feel free to offer up any advice you might have and why please.

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There's the Marantz pre-pro, which is $1500, but it's got the older version of Audyssey. I was looking in that price range and bought the $1000 Anthem MRX300 to use as a pre-pro. The Denon 4311 is another popular option in your price range, it can be found for $1300 or so.
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There's the Marantz pre-pro, which is $1500, but it's got the older version of Audyssey. I was looking in that price range and bought the $1000 Anthem MRX300 to use as a pre-pro. The Denon 4311 is another popular option in your price range, it can be found for $1300 or so.

Thanks saeyedoc.
I've actually looked at all of the units you brought up.
All appear to be fine products.
I'm more than likely not going to go with any of the above, but we'll see. I haven't bought anything yet.

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There's the Marantz pre-pro, which is $1500, but it's got the older version of Audyssey. I was looking in that price range and bought the $1000 Anthem MRX300 to use as a pre-pro. The Denon 4311 is another popular option in your price range, it can be found for $1300 or so.

I've been looking without success for a 4311 at a good price. Please PM me with where it can be found for $1300.00. The previous vendor that has been mentioned here is out,and expects no additional supply.

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There's the Marantz pre-pro, which is $1500, but it's got the older version of Audyssey. I was looking in that price range and bought the $1000 Anthem MRX300 to use as a pre-pro. The Denon 4311 is another popular option in your price range, it can be found for $1300 or so.

The Marantz AV7005 is an exceptional unit, and a tremendous value. Regardless of what version of Audyssey it has. Read the reviews!
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I've been looking without success for a 4311 at a good price. Please PM me with where it can be found for $1300.00. The previous vendor that has been mentioned here is out,and expects no additional supply.

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Here you go John.
It's really no secret.
AVS has a thread devoted entirely for it.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1388717

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I noticed you made some comments on the Emotiva forum where you say you've all but made up your mind about buying the UMC.

In which case, just go ahead and trust your instincts. A guy can second guess himself into paralysis fear or information overload.
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I noticed you made some comments on the Emotiva forum where you say you've all but made up your mind about buying the UMC.

In which case, just go ahead and trust your instincts. A guy can second guess himself into paralysis fear or information overload.

Yup...
I have pretty much made up my mind to get the UMC-1.
And yes, my gut is telling me to go with the UMC-1.
I had the opportunity to hear it first hand and ironically enough this individual had my exact speakers. I thought the audio fidelity was pretty damn good. Further, they seem to have the earlier bugs worked out of it, so I believe it is pretty stable now.
My intention is to ultimately move up to the Emotiva XMC-1, which looks to be a killer pre-pro fpr $1500. We'll see I guess.

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I think it's called Electronic Expo...
I'll look to be sure.



They have been out of stock, and expect no more units.


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Keep looking... at authorized dealers and I have no doubt you'll find one.
Good luck with your selections.
I haven't pulled the trigger yet either.

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Feel free to offer up any advice you might have and why please.
Thanks...!

The Onkyo 818 looks like a good option. I had the UMC-1 in my system and it does sound good. But I returned it due to some operational issues and the lack of a functional room EQ system. Of course this was before any of the FW upgrades were released. For HT use I found the UMC-1 did not sound any better than my Onkyo 886.

I bought a "B" stock UMC-1 a few months ago to get the 40% upgrade card for the XMC-1. I quickly sold the UMC-1 on videogon before the market becomes flooded with used UMC-1s. I recently bought the 4311 and I'm very happy with it. I will see how the release of the XMC-1 goes then consider buying it. That is if it doesn't have any issues as the LMC-1 and the UMC-1 had.

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Hi Bill,
We've been corresponding quite a bit lately haven't we.
I'll certainly take a look at the Onkyo 886. I haven’t bought anything yet, and I’m completely open to suggestions. I might even look at Onkyo Refurbs as an option. I have to admit though… if I get a receiver, I’m probably going to go the Anthem route, or the Denon route with the 4311.
If I get the UMC-1, I plan on keeping it and using it until I get the XMC-1. Once I have the XMC-1, I'll move the UMC-1 upstairs and buy a small amp for it. Probably the UPA-500.
If you ask me, the UMC-1 for $499 and the UPA-500 (80X5) for $399 ($900 total for separates) is a tuff combo to beat. Unless you are a features worshiper and need the latest greatest for your iPod and such. If that’s the case, then the UMC-1/UPA-500 may not be the best choice.
All of our situations are different…

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Hi Bill,
We've been corresponding quite a bit lately haven't we.
I'll certainly take a look at the Onkyo 886. I haven’t bought anything yet, and I’m completely open to suggestions. I might even look at Onkyo Refurbs as an option. I have to admit though… if I get a receiver, I’m probably going to go the Anthem route, or the Denon route with the 4311.
If I get the UMC-1, I plan on keeping it and using it until I get the XMC-1. Once I have the XMC-1, I'll move the UMC-1 upstairs and buy a small amp for it. Probably the UPA-500.
If you ask me, the UMC-1 for $499 and the UPA-500 (80X5) for $399 ($900 total for separates) is a tuff combo to beat. Unless you are a features worshiper and need the latest greatest for your iPod and such. If that’s the case, then the UMC-1/UPA-500 may not be the best choice.
All of our situations are different…

Yes we have. The 886 is a great unit and at the current used prices is still a great buy. There is nothing wrong with the UMC-1 and the UPA-500 combo. But for $900 the new Onkyo 818 with XT32 would be my choice. I'm more interested in overall SQ than all the latest bells and whistles. I have spent all morning listening to Hi-Rez MCH/2CH music and my system has never sounded better since adding the 4311 and XT32.

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I would also consider the MRX 300 it has excellent reviews and the ARC room correction is highly regarded.

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I would also consider the MRX 300 it has excellent reviews and the ARC room correction is highly regarded.

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I know it is. That's why I haven't ruled the MRX-300 out yet.
Decisions... decisions... hahahaha...
I need to spend a bit more time over in the Anthem MRX threads. I've got a question as to what DAC the Anthem has and compare it to the UMC-1 and Denon 4311. I seem to have overlooked that one.
What I am gathering from this thread is that other than the UMC-1 and the Integra DHC 40.2, there is nothing really in the $1500 or less category when talking about a TRUE pre-pro.
Seems like Emotiva really has the market cornered. When Emotiva launches the XMC-1, they'll have a strangle hold.

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I know it is. That's why I haven't ruled the MRX-300 out yet.
Decisions... decisions... hahahaha...
I need to spend a bit more time over in the Anthem MRX threads. I've got a question as to what DAC the Anthem has and compare it to the UMC-1 and Denon 4311. I seem to have overlooked that one.
What I am gathering from this thread is that other than the UMC-1 and the Integra DHC 40.2, there is nothing really in the $1500 or less category when talking about a TRUE pre-pro.
Seems like Emotiva really has the market cornered. When Emotiva launches the XMC-1, they'll have a strangle hold.

Why does it have to be a TRUE prepro? I've owned a number of prepros and have used AVRs as prepros as well. I have found no significant SQ advantages to the prepros over the AVRs in my experiences. As a matter of fact the 4311 (AVR) to me sounds better in my system than the 886 (prepro) it replaced.

I see no advantages of the 40.2 or the UMC-1 to that of comparable AVRs. Well other than you will need an external amp that you will not need with an AVR. The XMC-1 looks great on paper but I'm waiting till it is released and in the hands of actual users. Then we will know if Emotiva will have the "strangle hold" on the sub $1500 prepro market. Many thought that would be the story with the UMC-1 but it didn't really work out that way.

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Hi Bill.
It doesn't have to be a true pre-pro.
In fact, my last receiver was a Denon 3805 paired with an Outlaw 200 X 7 amp.
I admit, I would PREFERE to get a pre-pro, BUT it doesn't have to be. That's why the Anthem MRX-300 and Denon 4311 still remain contenders for my final decision.

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Oh, and as far as the XMC-1 is concerned.
I'm quite a ways down the initial order list and I'm perfectly OK with that since I want to hear what the early users have to say.
I don't care if it is the UMC-1, the XMC-1 or the latest Denon or Onkyo, I would have the same attitude re: waiting to hear what the early adaptors have to say.

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