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I bought the rx-a3020 a few weeks ago as an upgrade from rx-v473. I demoed it with music on KEF Q300 bookshelf speaker against marantz av7701/mm7055 combo. I have to say that the marantz combo for music sounded better than the 3020, but the price I had to pay for the extra cable and amp was +/- US$1000 and the marantz doesn't support bi amping and lacks some dsp modes the yamaha has. The Marantz only have 2 ch stereo mode vs Yamaha 9 ch stereo mode.

Previously, I also demoed Marantz SR7007 vs the AV7701/MM7055 combo with at a different dealer with monitor audio BX series. The AV7701 combo also beats the SR7007 in sound quality.

My question is:
1. if I use a multi channel power amp to power my speakers and turning off the amp in my yamaha, my HT system will sound better for music than the marantz av7701/mm7055 combo?
2. Has anyone ever taken this upgrade path before (connecting an yamaha avr to a power amp) and how much does it improve your system's SQ in terms of music?
3. Which upgrade will have a bigger impact on SQ, the pre/pro or the power amp?

Thanks.
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I bought the rx-a3020 a few weeks ago as an upgrade from rx-v473. I demoed it with music on KEF Q300 bookshelf speaker against marantz av7701/mm7055 combo. I have to say that the marantz combo for music sounded better than the 3020, but the price I had to pay for the extra cable and amp was +/- US$1000 and the marantz doesn't support bi amping and lacks some dsp modes the yamaha has. The Marantz only have 2 ch stereo mode vs Yamaha 9 ch stereo mode.

Previously, I also demoed Marantz SR7007 vs the AV7701/MM7055 combo with at a different dealer with monitor audio BX series. The AV7701 combo also beats the SR7007 in sound quality.

My question is:
1. if I use a multi channel power amp to power my speakers and turning off the amp in my yamaha, my HT system will sound better for music than the marantz av7701/mm7055 combo?
2. Has anyone ever taken this upgrade path before (connecting an yamaha avr to a power amp) and how much does it improve your system's SQ in terms of music?
3. Which upgrade will have a bigger impact on SQ, the pre/pro or the power amp?

Thanks.

You cannot turn off the amp in yamaha A3020 even if you only use it as a preamp unlike older models such as DSP -Z7 and RXV-Z7.

I have a yamaha A3020 which I Only use as a preamp feeding it to yamaha power amps. To my ears, this setup sounds better .
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There is no benefit to biamping a speaker unless you disable the xover in the speaker itself.
Ross Ridge's Avatar Ross Ridge
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The Marantz only have 2 ch stereo mode vs Yamaha 9 ch stereo mode.

The equivilent DSP mode to Yamaha's "9ch Stereo" mode on Denon/Marantz receivers is "Multi Ch Stereo".
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So, I'm wondering about the "Enhancer" button on the remote. I toggle it on and off, and I can't hear much of a difference, if any. Does anyone use this? If so, do you leave it on all the time or turn it on and off for certain types of content?
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So, I'm wondering about the "Enhancer" button on the remote. I toggle it on and off, and I can't hear much of a difference, if any. Does anyone use this? If so, do you leave it on all the time or turn it on and off for certain types of content?
I leave it on all the time but its really designed for compressed sources MP3, etc.
I can hear a slight difference with Pandora and Rhapsody.
richlife's Avatar richlife
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Ok, I'm kind of a newbie though I've been around here and the DBSForum for a long time -- and I'm going to knowingly violate a fairly well acknowledged forum policy by repeating my question in three different threads. So I'll go for brief.

After a lot of review here at AVSForum and numerous other places, I finally ordered an AVENTAGE A820 from NewEgg at their "gift" price of $499. Happy to pay that over the RX-773 and the A1020, but why has there never been a claim for the A820 in any of these threads? Sure, A820 owners are welcomed, but in reality almost no posts appear for this model.

And now there is a new A830 (and A730) which is obviously why the great price break on the A820.

But where best to apply my thoughts, comments, questions and (actually) a fair amount of expertise among these threads? I have questions, and will pick one thread, but which do you folks think is right?

Rich

/the-official-yamaha-aventage-rx-a710-810-1010-2010-3010-thread
/the-official-yamaha-aventage-rx-a1020-rx-a2020-and-rx-a3020-thread
/yamaha-rx-a720-official-owners-thread
Ross Ridge's Avatar Ross Ridge
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If there's no thread explictly covering the RX-A820 then the best place to discuss this receiver would be in the RX-V773 thread. Despite the AVENTAGE branding the RX-A820 is functionally and operationally almost indentical to the RX-V773.
billmich's Avatar billmich
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Definitely NOT here
richlife's Avatar richlife
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Definitely NOT here

Well, gee -- make me feel welcome... wink.gif But it does seem apparent that these three share features/options the A820 doesn't have -- though that's a stretch for the 1020.

Ross, thanks for that suggestion -- that similarity was why I had so much difficulty choosing until I found a pricing reason. Aventage may have a reason for being, but from a720 to a1020 is a fairly disparate collection.

Rich
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Ok, more study and some manual exploration lead me to take my discussion of the A820 to the RX773 thread. Between the 820 and the 1020 there are only a few minor differences (10W more power, Scene Plus (8 programmable Scenes), and a few irrelevant (to me) input options) and some build improvements that at least one person on this thread said are irrelevant (I have no way to say, although they do appeal to the communications engineer in me). So if interested in the A820 you might look over at the "The Official Yamaha RX-V773 Thread".

Rich
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The equivilent DSP mode to Yamaha's "9ch Stereo" mode on Denon/Marantz receivers is "Multi Ch Stereo".

In my opinion ... this is where Yamaha receivers shine the most. Only Yamaha makes music sound so good in All Channel mode. Other receivers I tried it with just did not sound better than regular 2.1 stereo.
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I am wondering ... what does Yamaha RX-A2020 or A2010 has than Yamaha RX-V3900 doesn't have??? and where is the 3900 superior?
price right now is just $70 apart for me if I want to buy A2010 instead of V3900

please advise.
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The new RX-Ax030 models are up on Yamaha's web site, but no manuals yet. Probably very little has changed this year, because there wasn't much new in the lower models.
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The new RX-Ax030 models are up on Yamaha's web site, but no manuals yet. Probably very little has changed this year, because there wasn't much new in the lower models.
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The new RX-Ax030 models are up on Yamaha's web site, but no manuals yet. Probably very little has changed this year, because there wasn't much new in the lower models.

All three models have brand new DACs, other than that, yes very little has changed.
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Just saw this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468505/new-yamaha-aventage-avrs#post_23361937

Pre-amp and full 11-channel power amp from Yamaha. Any thoughts?
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Just saw this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468505/new-yamaha-aventage-avrs#post_23361937

Pre-amp and full 11-channel power amp from Yamaha. Any thoughts?

I'm running external amplification with my 3010 and was looking to go with a 3020 for a specific feature once they go on clearance... but I think I know what direction I'm going now. cool.gif

My thoughts? UPGRADE biggrin.gif

Thanks for the link.
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I'm running external amplification with my 3010 and was looking to go with a 3020 for a specific feature once they go on clearance... but I think I know what direction I'm going now. cool.gif

My thoughts? UPGRADE biggrin.gif

Thanks for the link.

You will love this link too

http://www.avmagazine.it/news/stampa/diffusori/yamaha-cx-a5000-mx-a5000_8078.html
Ross Ridge's Avatar Ross Ridge
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He might not like the price though. I wouldn't be surprised if the CX-A5000 ends up costing more than the RX-A3030, let alone a RX-A3020 on discount.

Otherwise it looks like a good alternative for people using all external amplification. Once nice thing particular is that has seperate zone and presence pre-outs, instead of the shared ones on the RX-A3030.
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He might not like the price though. I wouldn't be surprised if the CX-A5000 ends up costing more than the RX-A3030, let alone a RX-A3020 on discount.

Otherwise it looks like a good alternative for people using all external amplification. Once nice thing particular is that has seperate zone and presence pre-outs, instead of the shared ones on the RX-A3030.

Right, I'm assuming it's going to be more. While I don't want to say cost is no object, I'm not a stranger to separates and have paid more for gear. But I love the Aventage line so much that I've returned to using an AVR as a pre-pro. While I'm sure a discounted 3020 will more than suit my needs, I simply don't like having AVRs with internal amps running idle and would much prefer to have a dedicated pre-pro.
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You will love this link too

http://www.avmagazine.it/news/stampa/diffusori/yamaha-cx-a5000-mx-a5000_8078.html

Thanks! And thank goodness for google translation.
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All three models have brand new DACs, other than that, yes very little has changed.

I assume the new DACs are supposed to be an improvement. On the other hand it seems the HQV Vida video processing chip is gone and replaced by Yamaha's own. Wonder if that's a downgrade.
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It looks like the RX-A2030 gets all of the RX-A3020's zone features, including HDMI zone 2/4 and independent digital audio output on the zone 2 speaker terminals and pre-outs.

I think maybe the RX-A1030 gets HDMI zone 2, but not digital audio to zone 2 speakers.
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Hi
Has anybody experienced the differences in Dsp 3D and Dsp Hd3. Worth getting a Rx A 3020 instead of 2020 ?
I want to update in the near future, running front presence for sometime now and like it. I want to use Rear presence
too with my next Yamaha Avr. I wonder if the differences are noticable ?
Unfortunatly Yamaha dont let me use the itelligent amp assingnment when I use rear presence....😟
Cu
Andreas
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Hi
Has anybody experienced the differences in Dsp 3D and Dsp Hd3. Worth getting a Rx A 3020 instead of 2020 ?
I want to update in the near future, running front presence for sometime now and like it. I want to use Rear presence
too with my next Yamaha Avr. I wonder if the differences are noticable ?
Unfortunatly Yamaha dont let me use the itelligent amp assingnment when I use rear presence....😟
Cu
Andreas

Please take this with a grain of salt as this is purely anecdotal, and besides my ears I have no way to measure if there are actual differences between Cinema DSP 3D and Cinema DSP 3D HD3.

That said, I picked up a 3010 more for direct DSD decoding, and HD3 wasn't even a factor in my decision. Nevertheless, I was thoroughly floored with the 3010 HT performance, particularly with the Natural EQ setting and Spectacle DSP. I love the 3010 so much that I decided to add a 1010 in a 2nd room. Before setting up the 1010 in its home, I decided to see how it would fare in my main room and swapped it with the 3010. I noticed immediately that there was something missing with the HT, particularly with the depth of the sound field. Sounds didn't seem to "float" in the room as they did with the 3010. After doing some research between the units, it was then I discovered that the 1010 didn't have HD3. While I haven't done any blind testing or anything like that, I'm convinced enough that HD3 does add more dimensionality to the sound field.

But as I said, this is just purely anecdotal as I haven't done anything to actually try to quantify my experience. I should note, however, that I use external amplification with my AVRs, so I don't know if that might be a factor with what I may be hearing, but that should also at least keep things somewhat equal as internal amplification should no longer be a factor between the 3010 and 1010. And also, where the DSPs are concerned, I set the player to output LPCM as the 1010 can't process DTS HD-MA with the DSP engaged and will down mix to vanilla DTS. Thus, I did at least try to keep things equal to some degree.
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Do these Yamahas suport matrix output switching?

Thanks
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The RX-A3020 has an HDMI matrix switch. It's second HDMI output can be configured for either zone 2 or zone 4. The former lets you use speakers attached directly to the receiver in combination with a second HDMI display in the other zone, the other just uses the receiver as simple 8x2 HDMI matrix switch.

If you're talking about the new 2013 models then the RX-A3030 almost certainly carries this feature over, and it looks like the RX-A2030 gains it as well. I'm not sure, but the RX-A1030 might also allow its second HDMI output to be used as simple 8x2 matrix switch output, but without the abiliy to have independent HDMI audio on zone speakers
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The new RX-Ax030 models are up on Yamaha's web site, but no manuals yet. Probably very little has changed this year, because there wasn't much new in the lower models.

Manuals are up.
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