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I see the new Integra 50.4 came out last week. It's on their website. It has audeyssee XT32 as well as the Sub EQ. Anybody got their hands on one to test out.
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Hello,
I believe it is simply Integra's version of the Onkyo TX-NR818. In which case, aside from having 12v Triggers for the Main Zone, a longer Warranty, no Hidden Door, and offers a Silver Volume Knob is internally identical. This would also mean that like the 818, it will not offer Audyssey's stellar SubEQ HT which until these AVR's has been bundled with every prior XT32 AVR/SSP. If only using a single subwoofer, the loss of SubEQ HT really is not a big issue and you still gain the far greater Filtering on the LFE Channel that XT32 offers.
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Is the 50.4 worth an extra $500 to $600 over the 818?

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Most of the time the Onkyo's and Integras are the same, however the integra 50.4 specially metnions the sub EQ on it's feature list. I don't know if this is worth more, but it does give another option for those that want the sub eq on another reciever.
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XT 32 on the 818 will EQ a single sub. Sube EQ on Integar will EQ two subs. It is possiblentoneq two subs without sub EQ. Just a little more difficult. For me, with a single sub sub Eq is not worth the extra cost of integra. Any more reasons to pay more for the integra?

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Hello,
I believe it is simply Integra's version of the Onkyo TX-NR818. In which case, aside from having 12v Triggers for the Main Zone, a longer Warranty, no Hidden Door, and offers a Silver Volume Knob is internally identical. This would also mean that like the 818, it will not offer Audyssey's stellar SubEQ HT which until these AVR's has been bundled with every prior XT32 AVR/SSP. If only using a single subwoofer, the loss of SubEQ HT really is not a big issue and you still gain the far greater Filtering on the LFE Channel that XT32 offers.
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The 50.4 looks awesome. I'm curious on how you know that Onkyo and Integra are exactly the same internally? I heard the Integra's are better built , higher quality amps , preamps and such. Yes the back panel boards are very similar but internally they are different.

Can you direct me to some good reading on this? I wouldn't mind reading all about this.
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I was looking at a 50.4 today in a local shop. I believe this is more comparable to the NR1010... not the 818. You have to look beyond the watts (e.g. Push-Pull amp design, different 1080p upscaling)
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I was looking at a 50.4 today in a local shop. I believe this is more comparable to the NR1010... not the 818. You have to look beyond the watts (e.g. Push-Pull amp design, different 1080p upscaling)

I disagree. Compared to the 818, the 50.4 has the typical additional features found on Integra models but it is for all intents and purposes the same unit.
The 1010 is a different animal entirely. Just look at the build and where everything is laid out on the three models and you'll find the 1010 is the odd man out. The 818 and 50.4 also share similar weights but the 1010 is 5kgs heavier.
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I agree with fahrenheit - the 818 and the 50.4 look to be identical AVRs.
People that have examined the Integra to the Onkyo which it is based from always find the same thing under the hood. The front panels are always different but if you examine the back panel they are nearly always the same.

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Not had a chance to open the two up and look at them side-by-side... I based my statement on differences/similarities on the "feature charts" but you are certainly correct about the weight difference upon further inspection. Having said that, just going on the feature charts listed on the site I found the following
  • NR1010 & 50.4 have Neo:X, the NR818 does not.
  • NR1010 & 50.4 advertise a Push-Pull amp design... NR818 does not have that "checked off"
  • NR1010 & 50.4 have digital crossover processing, 818 does not
  • NR1010 has VLSC and 50.4 & 818 do not
  • NR1010 & 50.4 share the same 1080p upscaling (818 uses Marvell instead of HQV)

Not making any comments on the relative importance of these differences (obviously the weight, presumably dominated by the difference in the power supply, is significant). Just saying that the processing "guts" of the 50.4 appear closer to the 1010 platform than to the 818 platform. I do agree, however, that the backpanel of the 50.4 much more closely matches the 818.
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Having said that, just going on the feature charts listed on the site I found the following
  • NR1010 & 50.4 have Neo:X, the NR818 does not.
  • NR1010 & 50.4 advertise a Push-Pull amp design... NR818 does not have that "checked off"
  • NR1010 & 50.4 have digital crossover processing, 818 does not
  • NR1010 has VLSC and 50.4 & 818 do not
  • NR1010 & 50.4 share the same 1080p upscaling (818 uses Marvell instead of HQV)

I wouldn't base my comparison on those feature charts. Picking over the manuals is really the only way to compare these AVRs.

The 818 certainly does have Neo: X. I don't know about Push-pull but the 818 does have adjustments for crossover, its just coarser than the 50.4's range. Marvell and HQV are not one or the other. It is both. The Marvell chipset is used for 4K upscaling and the HQV chipset handles everything else.
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Sorry to jump on here but it is my opinion that Integra is an AMP which has alot more under the hood than the Onkyo than what you might be able to find in the manual. I just got the 50.4 and love it. But I also spent about 4 hours talking with a dealer/tech who had alot to say about it. Dual independent power supplies, 4 ohm stable, internal design features which are not front and center of which the manual cant tell you all. When I see an electronic device giving a factory 3 yr warranty that says something. Anyway it is just my opinion but I have just got the 50.4 and have no reason to defend it or my purchase. I was looking at the time at the top of the line for Onkyo and Denon and after 4 hours on the phone and some additional research of which the internet was not very useful, I found that this AVR is much better suited than many would guess from reading the manual. (just my opinion)
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The top grilles are both easy to see into. You really should compare them with your own eyes before you believe everything a dealer tells you.
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The 50.4 looks awesome. I'm curious on how you know that Onkyo and Integra are exactly the same internally? I heard the Integra's are better built , higher quality amps , preamps and such. Yes the back panel boards are very similar but internally they are different.
Can you direct me to some good reading on this? I wouldn't mind reading all about this.

Its been reported by people who have seen the internals that Integra and Onkyo are indeed the same apart from interface and cosmetics.
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Does the 50.4 have sub eq or not?. The manual I downloaded does not show it.
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Does the 50.4 have sub eq or not?. The manual I downloaded does not show it.

Eq for a single subwoofer yes.
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But not for twos like other audyssey xt 32 sub eq system?
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Correct.
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