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Howdy all! I haven't been to this forum in years, but thought I would come by and show you how I will be utilizing the new 3313 in a few months time. Pending initial reviews regarding quality and perceived longevity, I will be implementing the new receiver for a client in a new home. The 6 main rooms will have a "bundled drop" of 2 RG-6, and 2 CAT-5E cables. I will be utilizing the fullest capabilities of the receiver, including the dual discrete HDMI, Zone 3 audio, Airplay, and network streaming. Let me know if you have any questions, or even any suggestions.

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Nice configuration. AFAIK, the Zone 2 HDMI will require a power source for the speakers (eg. powered speakers connected to the TV) as the Amp Assign speaker posts will only pass an analog signal. Also your ATVs will need RCA connections as well if you want to pass the audio to Zones 2 or 3.
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Nice configuration. AFAIK, the Zone 2 HDMI will require a power source for the speakers (eg. powered speakers connected to the TV) as the Amp Assign speaker posts will only pass an analog signal.

So you're saying that the powered zone 2 will not work in conjunction with the 2nd discrete HDMI out? Thanks for the heads up.. That sucks if thats the case... what is the point of a powered zone 2 (in stereo) if it wont work with the zone 2 HDMI?
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From what I can read from the Owner's manual only, no. Not confirmed in practical setup. The Zone 2 HDMI is simply a switch that will pass a dedicated HDMI source (HDMI 1-6 back panel only) audio/video to Zone 2. The HDMI must then either be connected directly to a TV or to an AVR that can pass the HDMI video to the TV and power the Zone 2 speakers.
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From what I can read from the Owner's manual only, no. Not confirmed in practical setup. The Zone 2 HDMI is simply a switch that will pass a dedicated HDMI source (HDMI 1-6 back panel only) audio/video to Zone 2. The HDMI must then either be connected directly to a TV or to an AVR that can pass the HDMI video to the TV and power the Zone 2 speakers.

Well that certainly changes things. Zone 2 is the back patio, and nothing is allowed to be installed out there with exception to the TV. I couldn't find the manual, is it hosted anywhere? It isn't on their site yet, and the tech on the phone said it isnt available yet.

http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=AVReceivers(DenonNA)&catalog=DenonNA_US&Pid=AVR3313CI(DenonNA)
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It should be available shortly.

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Oh, so you're one of THEM. cool.gif
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Nope .. just got an advanced sneak peak. wink.gif

You caught the ATV comment as well, yes? Unlike the 3312CI from last year, the 3313CI loses the capability to pass PCM 2.0 over optical/coax digital so you'll need optical---> analog converters attached to the ATVs if you want to pass their audio to Zones 2 or 3.
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SONOVA! Thanks again for the heads up, i can start planning around these apparent limitations. So is the Zone 2 audio specifically for audio only, and cannot be associated within the AVR to another video output?

Do you know of a similarly priced AVR that does not have these limitations?

It looks like I'll just have to get another stereo amp for the Zone 2 preout, or is the only way to get the audio via a speaker output from the television itself?

I know you mentioned that the optical/coax PCM 2.0 decoding capability is lost, but what about sending the audio through HDMI to the zone 2 and 3 sources?

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The speaker post/pre-out Zone 2/3 audio can be associated with the component video monitor output which can be set to the main zone or Zone 2. If you also connect an analog audio cable from the Zone 2 HDMI video source, then you should be able to use either the speaker posts or Zone 2 pre-outs, although there may be some delay noticed (again, no practical experience yet). HDMI sources cannot pass audio to other than the main zone, unless using the dedicated Zone 2 HDMI monitor out jack. AFAIK, the Denon 3313CI and the Marantz 7007 are the first AVRs to offer a Zone 2 HDMI.
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Thumbs up all around for you, sir. Good thing this build is a few months out, gives me time to recalibrate. biggrin.gif
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One "solution" may be to just use an HDMI splitter on the Zone 1 output to get the signals to the back patio. Of course, the obvious limitation is that whatever is going on in Zone 1 will have to be happening in Zone 2, but, from previous experience, it's not very often that people in two separate living areas want to watch TV at the exact same time. The people are either on the back patio or in the living room.

Of course, I can understand the need to want to watch TV in the living room and listen to music on the patio, and for that, I would hook up a media streamer (WDTV, Apple TV, anything that can access your music...) via optical audio (and HDMI of course to account for Zone 1 media). My understanding is that the built-in apps on the receiver can be sent to any zone...in other words, you would natively be able to listen to Pandora on the patio without any cabling other than the speakers.
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I am trying to accomplish a very similar build right now and so far have run into multiple problems, the hdmi outs only work to one tv and the video flickers on that primary tv when another hdmi out is plugged in. Also, my pc hdmi source does not seem to be recognized while plugged in as one of the hdmi souces on the 3313. I am very unhappy with demon right now.
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Suggest posting in the Denon XX13 Owner's thread linked in my sig and we can try and help you troubleshoot your issues.

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Can you send me (or repost) a higher resolution version of your setup as I cannot read the names under the components that you propose.frown.gif

Sorry. I now see that you have already an external link to the picture.smile.gif
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Note two things .. first the OP included a link at the bottom of post #1 which can be enlarged and second, you're responding to a post that is almost 1 year old. smile.gif

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