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post #1 of 10 Old 06-19-2012, 03:55 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi,

I am buying a new hi-def TV (my current one is about 10-11 years old and only plays video at 1080i)

I'm noticing a lot of new TV's have 3D capability, so I'm considering buying a TV with that feature.

I've been doing some research about it and for the 3D to pass through the receiver it needs to be HDMI 1.4.

You can get a pretty good deal on the Denon 3312 right now, because the 3313 are out.. The 3312 says "3D ready".

Will the 3312 work with 3D content out of the box or does it need something else?
(I've only recently gotten the home theater bug so I'm trying to catch up on the current technology, my home theater is about 10 years old so I'm replacing a Denon 3802, which I've been happy with over the years.

Will the 3312 or 3313 serve as a suitable replacement for the 3802? If so, will the 3312 work or does the 3313 offer features that I'll need to run 3D content from DVD's, cable and a PS3.

I running all Paradigm monitors and plan on keeping them.

Thanks for any advice you can offer.
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it's 3d pass through, you'll have no problem with the 3312 getting 3d content through it.

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Although the word "ready" can be misleading, all Denon XX11 and newer models are HDMI 1.4 and able to pass HDMI 3D video, the newer 3313CI able to upscale to 4k as well as featuring first to market independent HDMI Zone 2 output. Note that as the 3802 doesn't use Audyssey at all, other 3802 owners have been impressed with the audio improvement even when getting a 1911 or 1912 with the lower version of Audyssey MultEQ so you should be impressed with the 3312CI even more. smile.gif

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I did nearly the same thing. I just replaced my AVR-3803 with a AVR-2312CI. Mainly due to money but I really wouldn't use the extra features of the 3312. While I used most of the AVR-3803's features, the AVR-3312CI just had a lot I'd never use plus the 2312 sounds remarkable. Without Audyssey, it sounds just like the AVR-3803 and powers my speakers just as well. Even though the power is obviously down from our power house AVR-38XX series, the volume gain seems higher. The AVR-3803 did some funky things with the gain. If you adjusted speaker gains above 0, it limited the overall gain in the volume knob.

Anyhow, if you are using a lot of analog A/V connections, you'll be limited. Denon and Yamaha seem to be the only makers that really cater to analog and recording.

The AVR-3312ci and AVR-2312ci both have the nearly the same number of analog, digital, and HDMI inputs and ouputs. The AVR-3312ci adds a composite connection to the Bluray input where on the AVR-2312ci, it's just an analog audio input only, that can have component video and digital audio assigned to it. It also offers a phono preamp input. It also offers zone 2 composite video and analog audio outputs and zone 3 analog audio outputs, along with preamp outputs.

The AVR-3313CI compared to the AVR-3312ci, drops the AM Tuner, Bluray composite input connection, the Dock input wiyh S-Video input connection and the Media Player (DVR) S-Video input connection. It does add a Zone 2 HDMI output and a new Coaxial DENON HD LINK input. Supposedly it will also pass the 4K resolution vapor ware that doesn't exist yet. We'll see if it ever gets used in the fashion where it's compatible to the specs these receivers hope it will be. I doubt that it will be within the same spec. It will likely be a new spec with 9.2 surround with surround back and height channels along with stereo subs. If you're going to make 4X the resoution, you better make sure the surround sound is just as spectacular!

Only you can decide which will do you good but I won't own a receiver without a tuner, then it's an integrated amp, RIGHT?? Well whatever this AVR-3313CI is, I wouldn't own it without the AM Tuner as we use it for weather, traffic, and local sports/events. I also try to get the most analog connections for my gear that wasn't just bought yesterday. wink.gif

If you are like me and don't need the extra HDMI output, the remote zone outputs, and most of the other features, you may like the AVR-2312ci also. If you are pushing harder to drive 6 ohm to 4 ohm nominal impedance speakers, you may want to opt for the AVR-3312 for sure or even the better AVR-4311CI.

BTW, I found the Audyssey to sound pretty bad with my room setup so I wouldn't let this decide my choice. I have it disabled and I'm not the only one that doesn't care for the Audyssey. You can find a few of us who found the results of Audyssey less than good. wink.gif

Also if money has no limit, the AVR-4311ci would be best. However I think right now the best bang for the buck does go to the AVR-2312ci. It's selling in some authorized places, just slightly over half it's 'original' MSRP price.

Good luck in your decision.
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The AVR-3313CI compared to the AVR-3312ci, drops the AM Tuner.

Note that although all lower XX13 models except the 1513 drop the AM Tuner, the 3313CI has both an AM and FM tuner.

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I have been using a 3802 for the past 10 years and just ordered a 3312 at a nice closeout price. Looking forward to hear the difference. I have never used Audyessy, DTS-HD, DOLBY-TRUEHD, or HDMI through a receiver.

I am using Paradigm Studio 40 v2, Studio CC, ADP 180, and Atom v6 in rear. Sub is HSU VT3. TV is Sony 52XBR4. bluray is PS3.

Hopefully everything is hooked up by next weekend and i can post some feedback. smile.gif
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Sounds like a nice system.
Definitely let us now how you like the new receiver.


Thanks for all the comments, I think I'm going with the 3312.
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I just replaced my 3801 with the 3312ci and have been very pleased. Audyssey made a big difference to me. The effect on clarity of movie dialogue at night is phenomenal. My wife is already tired of me asking her if she hears the difference (she does).

You will enjoy it.
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I just replaced my 3801 with the 3312ci and have been very pleased. Audyssey made a big difference to me. The effect on clarity of movie dialogue at night is phenomenal. My wife is already tired of me asking her if she hears the difference (she does).
You will enjoy it.

I currently have the 2809 and was thinking of getting either the 3312 or 3313 but I can't see a day and night difference between the two models. So most likely I Will get the 3312 which is about $400 cheaper.

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There likely won't be much difference in audio fidelity between all 3 models as they all use the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT.

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