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or buy something else.. ?
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What features do you need/want? What's your budget?
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budget was 600.00 but flexible a tad.. i am running a 3.1 set up with klipsch g16 center and g-12 l/r and then klipsch sub. no gamming just sat receiver and tv along with apple tv.. 80% tv and 20% movies/music
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I'm pleased with my 673 so far. Of course, I only got it on Saturday, so I'm still finding my way around, but there was a coupon in my email today offering 10% off using the BB card, so I'm going to get credited for $60, making it $540. Not a bad price on a brand new 2012 receiver!

No experience with the Denon though.

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yeh i have always had yamaha ,,, had a rx-661 and 663 and now was going to to go a 673... but like the looks and feel of the 1913 a bit better and only 484.99 right now through my buddy .. so good deal .
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which truthfully its a toss up i think .. but wanted to just make sure .. i have the 1913 in my trunk .. but didnt want to get it out and all hooked up and then be told should have gone with 673 lol ..
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Denons consistently have produced better sound then Yamahas especially when it comes to music.

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Denons consistently have produced better sound then Yamahas especially when it comes to music.


Is this a known fact or just your personal preference?
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CNET reviews them this way. And pretty much most other reviews I've seen. It's personal preference too. But ears don't lie. I'm getting a Denon to replace one of my Onkyo's this year and probably another next year. I know they produce better sound then onkyo. Simply because my ears don't lie.

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I just went from an Onkyo 707 to a Denon 2312, and I think the Denon might be going back. Onkyo still sounds a little better to me, but I still have hours of listening to do before my decision is concrete.

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what about the yamaha a820? better than both ??
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Denons consistently have produced better sound then Yamahas especially when it comes to music.

Mmmmm opinion stated as fact on AVS Forums. Shocking! eek.gif

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The Yamaha is the better buy. The new AVR-**13 receivers are very disappointing as are the models below the AVR-23** because of loss of digital audio inputs and analog A/V inputs and lack of any recording loop. The Yamaha are great and offer a lot. I had a Yamaha RX-A710 but had to send it back because of HDMI problems and HDCP problems. Design defect or just defective, don't know, but I wanted I/P scaling for HD sources since I was going to get either a RX-A810 or AVR-2312ci and also wanted Room correction for the subwoofer. Since the RX-A810 had none of that, I went with the Denon AVR-2312ci.

I do prefer the sound of Denon over Yamaha. I had a Yamaha RX-V793, RX-V995, RX-V2095, and a RX-V2300 and none sounded as good as my Denon AVR-3803 while being pushed or in the airy treble at moderate listening levels. Yamaha never sounded bright but it didn't seem to be as musical or have the musical definition that the AVR-3803 ($1200 MSRP). I compared the best Yamahas to the Denon, the RX-V2095 ($1,700 MSRP) and the RX-V2300 ($1000 MSRP).

I never did setup the RX-A710 to poperly listen to it since it had HDMI problems and HDCP problems.

The Denon AVR-2312ci sounds just as good if not better than the AVR-3803 even if it doesn't push as much current as that beast.

However the Yamaha RX-V673 has everything for a great price. It has both A/V recording loops and Audio Recording loops (which even the highest Denons AVR-2312ci, AVR-3312ci, AVR-4311ci, AVR-2313ci, and AVR-3313ci do not have an audio only recording loop). The Yamaha doesn't group connections together for an input but make each connection it's own input. So you have more inputs to add more gear with the Yamaha receivers. BUT if you need a digital audio and analog video combination that isn't offered, you may have to use 2 inputs (which is allows for) to make a compatible input for a device. Yamaha's offer more connectivity than any other receiver.

The Denon AVR-1913 deleted the Dock input and deleted the AM tuner (local news, weather, and sports!). It also offers absolutely no audio or A/V recording loop at all and only offers 1 toslink and 1 coaxial digital audio input. Very very limited on connectivity. To go with Denon again, I could go no lower than an AVR-2312ci just for system compatibility.

If I didn't buy the AVR-2312ci, it would definitely be the RX-V673 or the new upgraded RX-A720. BTW, Yamaha has always tested pretty low on power output by S&V and Home Theater magazines but then again they don't test true 20hz - 20Khz power output or dynamic power output which actually matters instead of 1Khz power and steady state RMS power. Just so you should know though. It was disappointing with how bad the RX-V871 and RX-A1010 tested out at Home Theater Mag. compared to the Denon AVR-2311ci and AVR-3312ci that have good power output. The Yamahas also have subpar video performance as well but maybe the new models perform better.
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Go for last year's models. The
2312 or 2112.
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budget was 600.00 but flexible a tad.. i am running a 3.1 set up with klipsch g16 center and g-12 l/r and then klipsch sub. no gamming just sat receiver and tv along with apple tv.. 80% tv and 20% movies/music


I just bought the A720 yesterday for about $560 at a local store( New Orleans). So, after some shopping around, that may be within your budget as well. I've just finished hooking it up and am very impressed with it---a nice upgrade from the V663 it replaced.
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