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Just curious as to why that is? What kinds of issues have they had and what (if any) are the current ones?
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Sony's mainstream receivers are not well regarded.... small power supplies means it runs out of gas pretty quickly/. Their ES line is better but their HDMI processing is not state of art , if it has any at all, some models only passes the HDMI signal through.

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When they had the 777 es it was a nice AVR but they have been on the weak end since.
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Junk like their TV line. Sony makes for the masses not the AV enthusiasts.

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So what is a good alternative? Yamaha, Pioneer, Harmon Kardon, Denon, Onkyo?
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Oh they did have some high-end receivers like this one:

450

But that was 7 years ago. It has been down hill ever since.

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So what is a good alternative? Yamaha, Pioneer, Harmon Kardon, Denon, Onkyo?

All the above except Onkyo. Stay far far away from Onkyo. All they make are defective pieces of pure garbage. Personally I'm switching out all my Onkyo receivers for Denons. Just put a Denon 1913 in the bedroom.

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All the above except Onkyo. Stay far far away from Onkyo. All they make are defective pieces of pure garbage. Personally I'm switching out all my Onkyo receivers for Denons. Just put a Denon 1913 in the bedroom.

What made you decide to go with Denon? I've always like the look and feel of HK. But there cheapest surround receiver is $500 (Canadian). I was recommended Pioneer in another thread but I've heard their interface is a bit confusing. Finding the right receiver is more complicated then I thought. I ask about Sony cause I've always seemed to have success with their products. My dad had a Sony receiver for like 15 years and it always worked perfectly. He just recently upgraded to a Pioneer though. I guess more research is needed for me. I don't want to make a hasty purchase.
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Oh they did have some high-end receivers like this one:
450
But that was 7 years ago. It has been down hill ever since.

Damn! That's a huge receiver. I remember seeing those. LOL What would you recommend now? You have a Yamaha "profile pic". Would you recommend those receivers?
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Just curious as to why that is? What kinds of issues have they had and what (if any) are the current ones?

Cause their AVR's suck big time.
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We had a similar thread last year on Sony:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1347825/what-happened-to-sony-a-v-receivers

Many people here love Denon because of Audyssey as they think it's the single most important must-have feature. For many, reliability or lack of it is also important. You would find fans and haters of each major brand here. The more people you ask the more answers you get. You need to have a list of features you want, your speakers and room size and budget to start with. The major brands often have 10-20% mark up MSRP and less discount in Canada.

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We had a similar thread last year on Sony:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1347825/what-happened-to-sony-a-v-receivers
Many people here love Denon because of Audyssey as they think it's the single most important must-have feature. For many, reliability or lack of it is also important. You would find fans and haters of each major brand here. The more people you ask the more answers you get. You need to have a list of features you want, your speakers and room size and budget to start with. The major brands often have 10-20% mark up MSRP and less discount in Canada.

Well my "list of features i want" is not very long. All I'm going to be doing is playing my blu-ray/DVD movies and games from my PS3 and games from my PS2. I definitely want HDMI but it seems all surround receivers have that now. But I also would still like the option of component video. My TV right now is an old "widescreen" CRT from Panasonic and it includes one HDMI port but it's not full 1080p HD. It also has component video too. But I'm hoping to get an HDTV by Christmas. My speakers are a Panasonic 5 speaker set I bought off Kijiji. They are small and kinda rectangular in shape. And I have a Polk Audio PSW10 subwoofer. My room size is about 20' x 12' in size.
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Oh they did have some high-end receivers like this one:

But that was 7 years ago. It has been down hill ever since.


I bought a 5000ES, a very solid offering, with superb signal path, nicely transparent. Someone was paying attention when they designed those.

Everyone's different, .. of course, but the visual aesthetic was killer as well.

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I bought a 5000ES, a very solid offering, with superb signal path, nicely transparent. Someone was paying attention when they designed those.
Everyone's different, .. of course, but the visual aesthetic was killer as well.

5000ES was a soild receiver, probably better than 5700ES too(SQ wise). But it lacks HDMI inputs and HD codec decodings.

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Damn! That's a huge receiver. I remember seeing those. LOL What would you recommend now? You have a Yamaha "profile pic". Would you recommend those receivers?

Based on your needs and budget: Get a Yamaha RX-V473.

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Based on your needs and budget: Get a Yamaha RX-V473.

Does Yamaha have a good track record? Are they easy to set up and use? At this point I'm kinda leaning towards a Pioneer receiver but I'm very much undecided right now.

Someone here recommended this to me. Looks really good. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/pioneer-pioneer-840-watt-7-1-channel-3d-hdmi-home-theatre-receiver-vsx-926-k-vsx-926-k/10172252.aspx?path=27b715a830edd1e48b5ee5f746776dd2en02

It's just that this Sony model is very tempting given the price. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/sony-sony-735-watt-7-1-channel-3d-home-theatre-receiver-strdh720-strdh720/10167723.aspx?path=281d6aadfcac6d8abbeee894b54716eaen02
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Does Yamaha have a good track record? Are they easy to set up and use? At this point I'm kinda leaning towards a Pioneer receiver but I'm very much undecided right now.
Someone here recommended this to me. Looks really good. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/pioneer-pioneer-840-watt-7-1-channel-3d-hdmi-home-theatre-receiver-vsx-926-k-vsx-926-k/10172252.aspx?path=27b715a830edd1e48b5ee5f746776dd2en02
It's just that this Sony model is very tempting given the price. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/sony-sony-735-watt-7-1-channel-3d-home-theatre-receiver-strdh720-strdh720/10167723.aspx?path=281d6aadfcac6d8abbeee894b54716eaen02

Both the Pioneer and Yamaha have better sound quality, plus they both offer more features(3D, audio return channel, airplay, auto room correction etc.)

Avoid Sony unless you plan to spend more for the Sony ES line.

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Why no love for Sony receivers here on AVS??

Do they have any room equalization at all? I took a look a little while ago, and wasn't impressed.

Personally, a good room EQ system is required.

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.

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This is it?

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=27925

That kinda sad if you ask me.

I had their TA-E9000ES SSP a very long time ago. I still think that was one of the best pre/pros I've ever had. Built like a freakin' tank. But ... I've kept somewhat of an eye on their offerings ever since, and they never did another pre/pro, unfortunately, and their AVRs haven't really been competitive with other companies' ... for years IMO.

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This is it?

Sony no longer sell their ES products on the web. Local dealers only.

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Based on the fact that you have component video and HDMI sources, you should look at a receiver that will convert component video to HDMI which is why I recommended that Pioneer VSX-926 and Yamaha RX-V571 in your other thread. This way you can have one cable to the TV instead of having to use a component video cable and HDMI cable from receiver to TV.

Plus the Pioneer has networking and Airplay and you said you may want to use your Macbook to stream music.

But it is totally up to you what to get. Good luck.

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Based on the fact that you have component video and HDMI sources, you should look at a receiver that will convert component video to HDMI which is why I recommended that Pioneer VSX-926 and Yamaha RX-V573 in your other thread. This way you can have one cable to the TV instead of having to use a component video cable and HDMI cable from receiver to TV.
Plus the Pioneer has networking and Airplay and you said you may want to use your Macbook to stream music.
But it is totally up to you what to get. Good luck.

Thanks for all your help. The Yamaha RX-V573 is a bit pricy for me sitting at $599 but the Pioneer VSX-926 may be the sweet spot for my price range to features ratio at $399. I'm just seeing if Future Shop has any left in stock. Thanks again.
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According to the Futureshop website they have 15 Pioneers available online.

I originally meant the Yamaha RX-V571 which is on sale for $399 at Best Buy, not the 573 for $599.

I'd rather have the Pioneer because of the networking features.

Sure is a lot tougher to get good deals in Canada. Sometimes you can find good deals on clearance models in store which may not be published online also.

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According to the Futureshop website they have 15 Pioneers available online.
I originally meant the Yamaha RX-V571 which is on sale for $399 at Best Buy, not the 573 for $599.
I'd rather have the Pioneer because of the networking features.
Sure is a lot tougher to get good deals in Canada. Sometimes you can find good deals on clearance models in store which may not be published online also.

I'm leaning towards the Pioneer. My dad has a Pioneer receiver and he says it's great. If I can't get that one then I may spring for the Yamaha receiver. This may be a stupid question but does the HDMI on modern receivers pass both video and audio or just audio?
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I'm leaning towards the Pioneer. My dad has a Pioneer receiver and he says it's great. If I can't get that one then I may spring for the Yamaha receiver. This may be a stupid question but does the HDMI on modern receivers pass both video and audio or just audio?

Both A&V of course smile.gif
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Both A&V of course smile.gif

Okay good. I only ask cause I think i remember hearing that HDMI only passed video and not audio initially. At least in some cases. So I just wanted to make sure. Thanks. smile.gif
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Sony no longer sell their ES products on the web. Local dealers only.

OK ...

https://dealersource.sel.sony.com/dsweb/p/builtin/home_theater_receivers.html

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DCAC EX Speaker Auto-Calibration with Speaker Relocation and Automatic Phase Matching

Is that comparable at all to Audyssey XT(32) or ARC from Anthem?

OK, something ain't right. I Google "STR-A5700ES" and I only get 9 results? And only 5 for the STR-A3700ES ? Not out yet?

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Sony's amps should not be any worse than competing brands. Where Sony lacks is features, and namely its room correction system appears to be way behind the curve.

Having said this, Pioneer's room correction does not equalize low frequencies, and from what I understand, Yamaha also doesn't do much in that department. The problem with this is that the lower frequencies are where equalization is really needed.

Now, this may not matter much for your room or equipment.

Frankly, I'd upgrade the display first and then worry about the AVR (which may also diminish the need for video upconversion, since most displays nowadays do a good job of it.)
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OK ...
https://dealersource.sel.sony.com/dsweb/p/builtin/home_theater_receivers.html
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Is that comparable at all to Audyssey XT(32) or ARC from Anthem?
OK, something ain't right. I Google "STR-A5700ES" and I only get 9 results? And only 5 for the STR-A3700ES ? Not out yet?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399561/sony-str-da5700es-receiver-review

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