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Okay David, now everything makes sense. cool.gif What kind of phono pre-amp do you use, and what cartridge are you using? I presume you like the sound.

I have a VPI Scoutmaster with a Benz Micro Ruby H cartridge and an Audio Research Phono 2 SE pre.

I enjoy vinyl more than any other source.

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I have a VPI Scoutmaster with a Benz Micro Ruby H cartridge and an Audio Research Phono 2 SE pre.

I enjoy vinyl more than any other source.

I have two cartridges, a Shure V15 Type III, and I believe a Stanton 880. As you can see, its been a long time. redface.gif I will check out your phono pre-amp. But, didn't you post a while back that you were having trouble with a popping sound on the SP3 when trying to connect the phono pre-amp? Also, what is your speaker configuration, 2.0, 2.01, 5.1 or 7.1?
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I have a VPI Scoutmaster with a Benz Micro Ruby H cartridge and an Audio Research Phono 2 SE pre.

I enjoy vinyl more than any other source.

David, I goggled your phono pre-amp, and I must say that I did not realize how expensive and well respected this unit is in analog circles. For you to use it along with the SP3 is a testament to the analog stage of the SP3. Your phono pre-amp cost more than I paid for the SP3. eek.gif WOW! No wonder you have no interest in digital.
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David, I goggled your phono pre-amp, and I must say that I did not realize how expensive and well respected this unit is in analog circles. For you to use it along with the SP3 is a testament to the analog stage of the SP3. Your phono pre-amp cost more than I paid for the SP3. eek.gif WOW! No wonder you have no interest in digital.

I don't use it with the SP3. If you look at one of my prior posts I mentioned that I used a 2 channel pre for music. I have a Cary SLP-05.

I have a big interest in digital. I just got a Lampizator Gen 4/Level 4.5 DAC. I have TONS of music on hard drives. But, as with vinyl, I listen to it in 2.0. Hope that clarifies things.

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Or, it could be they needed an existing pre/pro without built-in room correction so they could sell it in conjunction with their own SDEC R/C product.

I'm sure there are many less expensive options if that was their main concern...

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I'm sure there are many less expensive options if that was their main concern...
I'd bet the farm that no R/C (so they can pair it with their own, in-house R/C solution) was, indeed, their primary consideration. Doesn't mean there aren't secondary and tertiary considerations, etc.

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Has anyone been able to compare the SP3 to the Krell Foundation?

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Has anyone been able to compare the SP3 to the Krell Foundation?

This may be a job for an audio magazine. But, if I had to bet money on it, I'd think the SP3 sounded better. The Foundation also has going against it the lack of analog pass through so you would be locked in to its D/A converter. This is just my 2 cents for whatever its worth.
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This may be a job for an audio magazine. But, if I had to bet money on it, I'd think the SP3 sounded better. The Foundation also has going against it the lack of analog pass through so you would be locked in to its D/A converter. This is just my 2 cents for whatever its worth.

Where did you get your info of no analog passthrough on the Foundation? Because as far ad i know It does have true analog passthrough as mentioned in a few places on the web. And on there own website.

It has a setting analog/preamp.

Also as soon as they get around to it it will do dsd direct. Which I dont believe your Bryston will do.

I really wish I could compare the Bryston to the Foundation. But I really find it extremely hard to believe that it could be that much better. Expecially 3000 dollars better. I could buy an awesome sub, media player, screen etc for that difference. I have heard the Foundation even owned it.

I would bet if you had given it a chance you wouldn't care about owning anything else. It doesn't sound anything like what you explain the other Krell processors to sound like. If it did I would hate it. Trust me.
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I looked at the back picture of the Foundation and it has a L&R XLR and 4 sets of RCAs for analog in so may not have analog pass through or if so only two channel?

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Yes I believe only two channel. The Bryston apparently multichannel.
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Yes I believe only two channel. The Bryston apparently multichannel.

Corrrect. The Foundation has one balanced and four stereo single analog channel inputs. The Bryston SP3 has two balanced analog inputs, one 7.1 single ended analog pass through and 6 or 8 stereo analog pass throughs. The Bryston is also of module design so you don't have to through the baby out with the bath water for upgrades.
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Merry Christmas, folks, and best wishes for a happy, healthy, and fulfilling 2014. Thanks, gbaby, for your thoughtfulness in starting this thread, and thanks to the contributors for your guidance, comradeship, and positive tone. I hope you are enjoying beautiful music this holiday season and will continue to do so.

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Merry Christmas, folks, and best wishes for a happy, healthy, and fulfilling 2014. Thanks, gbaby, for your thoughtfulness in starting this thread, and thanks to the contributors for your guidance, comradeship, and positive tone. I hope you are enjoying beautiful music this holiday season and will continue to do so.

Cheerio,

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Merry Christmas to you all. Love that Christmas card. Lol

And that Godzilla movie that is coming out at the theaters looks awesome. I saw the trailor at the Theater the other day and wow.
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RJ, Merry Christmas to you, too, and I hope that you Ron and everyone else on this forum have a very Healthy and Happy New Year! cool.gifsmile.gif
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Santa didn't bring me a new updated USB card that I hoped to use for high res audio. Fingers crossed the Easter Bunny will. wink.gif


Merry Christmas Gbaby!!
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Santa didn't bring me a new updated USB card that I hoped to use for high res audio. Fingers crossed the Easter Bunny will. wink.gif


Merry Christmas Gbaby!!

Please take comfort in the fact that when Bryston releases the updated USB card, it will be right and functioning correctly.

To digress somewhat, I noticed that there is little activity on this forum. My guess is the reason for this is that the SP3 has very little features, and once you set it up, you can basically forget about it and just enjoy your music. wink.gif

In any event BigHat, you, too, have a Merry Christmas and a Healthy and Happy New Years! smile.gif
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I have this dinosaur DVD player that by happenstance plays DVD-A through its 5.1 analog outs. It is the Pioneer Elite DV-59avi. I have not used it in several years, but last night I connected it to the 7.1 analog pass through of the Bryston SP3 and listened to 2 of the 3 DVD-A disc I own, "The Dance," by Dave Koz, and "Believe" by Aaron Neville. Boy was I in for a surprise. Those DVD-A disc sound so good though the SP3 that I wound up playing both practically all night before I went to bed. I was quite impressed and the SP3 has given the Pioneer Elite DV-59avi a new life. While the SP3 makes low res music sound good, it is the high resolution sound that makes this baby really shine. The analog inputs on the SP3 are excellant to say the least.

On another note, has anyone ever recorded music on iTunes using aiff and listened to it using Apple TV and playing the music through the SP3? If you have not, you don't know what you are missing. biggrin.gif
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Happy 2014, folks, and best wishes for a happy, healthy, and fulfilling year. Thanks for your stimulating and helpful contributions to the thread, and thanks again to gbaby for initiating and guiding the discussions.

To start 2014, might I ask:

1. What is your preferred use of the SP3: music or films?

2. What are your favorite selections to listen/watch/demo?

3. What do you see as the strengths of the SP3 and which areas would you like to see improved (Bryston's SP3 software designer, Stan Bleszynski is a great guy and very open to new ideas)?


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#1 thing I'd like to see would be 24/192 over USB

happy new year!
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If it did DSD I would own one. I realize the DACs are not capable so perhaps a SP4?

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Hi do you know if I can find a bryston sp3 used for a good price
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#1 thing I'd like to see would be 24/192 over USB......

...and in multichannel. :D


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I would not let DSD be a reason for not purchasing the SP3. While there is no question DSD sounds great, this is a PCM world, and the only time that's important is right now. Just look at the catalog of music thats available on DSD and compare it to that available on PCM. It's no contest. PCM wins hands down. And, in multichannel, with the SP3, you can enjoy all your music collection in 7.1 using only a 2 channel source. In addition, you can still enjoy DSD with the SP3 using a Bryston digital player or the new one by SonyES by connecting to the SP3's excellent analog inputs. So again, don't let the lack do DSD be a consideration.
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Happy 2014, folks, and best wishes for a happy, healthy, and fulfilling year. Thanks for your stimulating and helpful contributions to the thread, and thanks again to gbaby for initiating and guiding the discussions.

To start 2014, might I ask:

1. What is your preferred use of the SP3: music or films?

2. What are your favorite selections to listen/watch/demo?

3. What do you see as the strengths of the SP3 and which areas would you like to see improved (Bryston's SP3 software designer, Stan Bleszynski is a great guy and very open to new ideas)?


Cheerio,

RJ

I like the SP3 for all sources, music, film and TV, too. I like so many genres of music, it's difficult for me to pick a favorite. But, I Just picked up the 2 channel SACD of the album America, and 88.2 PCM up converted to 7.1 on the SP3 sounds absolutely stunning. While I have owned audio equipment for many years, the SP3 is the first equipment I've own that gave me pure satisfaction, so I don't have any suggestion for improvement at the present.
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I would not let DSD be a reason for not purchasing the SP3. While there is no question DSD sounds great, this is a PCM world, and the only time that's important is right now. Just look at the catalog of music thats available on DSD and compare it to that available on PCM. It's no contest. PCM wins hands down. And, in multichannel, with the SP3, you can enjoy all your music collection in 7.1 using only a 2 channel source. In addition, you can still enjoy DSD with the SP3 using a Bryston digital player or the new one by SonyES by connecting to the SP3's excellent analog inputs. So again, don't let the lack do DSD be a consideration.

eek.gif Your kidding right ! biggrin.gif Why not have both, as there are a great many options around to choose from. For me DSD is a must have as it represents a good 65% of my listening (and with good reason) with cd and Hi res pcm files filling the rest for music. In the future I plan to explore more music on the Bluray format to see if its as good as some claim! We shall see indeed wink.gif
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And, in multichannel, with the SP3, you can enjoy all your music collection in 7.1 using only a 2 channel source. 

While I do agree with you that DSD is not absolutely essential, I do question this statement.  Do you really think that any consumer processor can do this in a way that is comparable to what is heard from a discrete multichannel source?

 

It is frustrating to me that multichannel prepros and AVRs  (not just Bryston) will do only stereo via their USB or Ethernet inputs.  Does anyone know of any exceptions?


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Do not ALL consumer DACs convert DSD to PCM anyway? It may be hidden from you, and the stand-alone DAC may have a DSD input, but it still gets converted to PCM inside the chip and that's what you're listening to. The only diff is when it gets converted to PCM: sooner or later, and better or worse. Not saying there isn't any sound difference, but I have no recordings that are identical other than the format, assuming such identical things even exist (comparing a DSD with a 96 or 192kHz PCM recording should sound different, because it is different).

There is a certain "air" that DSD recordings have to my ear, and it's not something I especially like for the music I listen to (not classical or jazz or "pop" lol)...it seems artificial but I'm not sure because besides remastering, some remixing may have gone on.
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Following the points made by Kal and audiofan1, offering the consumer choices (such as a more capable DAC, DSD, multichannel hi-res file processing, and room EQ) enriches the product. If Oppo can do multichannel hi-res files through their BDP-105, it would seem that processor manufacturers could do so. I very much enjoy the SP3, and appreciate gbaby's cogent observations. In my view, while the the processor's audio performance is excellent, its feature set could be strengthened substantially and earn Bryston a broader market share.

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Do not ALL consumer DACs convert DSD to PCM anyway? It may be hidden from you, and the stand-alone DAC may have a DSD input, but it still gets converted to PCM inside the chip and that's what you're listening to. 

Nope.  Many DACs convert via a multibit-SD stage since it can be an intermediary for PCM and DSD.  So, one might say that, in those (and I have used several), they convert PCM to SD. :)


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