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Has anyone actually used the USB port on the SP3? How do you make music play through it?
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Has anyone actually used the USB port on the SP3? How do you make music play through it?
Huh? Maybe I'm missing something (sorry in advance if I am have) but haven't I discussed at length above? Out of a MacBook Pro, playing music using iTunes for organization and Amarra decoding software. Works great as long as you don't push it to high res content because the card can't deal with it. It couldn't be easier to do and if Bryston ever does what they said they would do well over a year ago we'll have an updated card option. Until then I'll send audio (of all resolutions) to a USB DAC (Ayre QB9) that can handle it and then send it via 2-ch analog to the SP-3.
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Huh? Maybe I'm missing something (sorry in advance if I am have) but haven't I discussed at length above? Out of a MacBook Pro, playing music using iTunes for organization and Amarra decoding software. Works great as long as you don't push it to high res content because the card can't deal with it. It couldn't be easier to do and if Bryston ever does what they said they would do well over a year ago we'll have an updated card option. Until then I'll send audio (of all resolutions) to a USB DAC (Ayre QB9) that can handle it and then send it via 2-ch analog to the SP-3.
If you posted anything regarding using USB on the SP3, it would have been a post I would not have read. The reason is that I have never been interested in playing music using USB, but only recently got curious. I'll admit that I do no read every post, even on this thread, because I am in a discipline wherein I cannot absorb everything. Regardless, I did research the Amarra since your post, and I find it quite an expensive route costing in excess of $600.00 for the software. For now, I will stick with Apple TV because while it is not the ultimate sonic experience, its an enjoyable sonic experience that I can live with for now, and its convenient in that I can stream music wherever I have an Apple TV. Between Apple TV and my SACD players, I'm not missing too much. I may re-visit USB in the future, but for now, I'm content. I am considering buying the Bryston phono pre-amp as soon as I hear from Bryston on whether or not I need to send the unit in for modications so it won't have that "popping" that was noted by a forum member when using a phono pre-amp.
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If you posted anything regarding using USB on the SP3, it would have been a post I would not have read. The reason is that I have never been interested in playing music using USB, but only recently got curious. I'll admit that I do no read every post, even on this thread, because I am in a discipline wherein I cannot absorb everything. Regardless, I did research the Amarra since your post, and I find it quite an expensive route costing in excess of $600.00 for the software. For now, I will stick with Apple TV because while it is not the ultimate sonic experience, its an enjoyable sonic experience that I can live with for now, and its convenient in that I can stream music wherever I have an Apple TV. Between Apple TV and my SACD players, I'm not missing too much. I may re-visit USB in the future, but for now, I'm content. I am considering buying the Bryston phono pre-amp as soon as I hear from Bryston on whether or not I need to send the unit in for modications so it won't have that "popping" that was noted by a forum member when using a phono pre-amp.
We have direct conversations on this topic multiple times. You only have to scroll back a couple of pages to read the most recent one. You doing okay?
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We have direct conversations on this topic multiple times. You only have to scroll back a couple of pages to read the most recent one. You doing okay?
Everything is fine. I saw the post, and I guess my focus was DSD over USB or something to that effect. When you started talking specifics, I guess my brain shut down.
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I am sadden to report that the dealer I purchased my SP3 from, the HiFi House, has gone out of business. They had three stores with one being in Jenkinstown, outside Philly. It was a great store with knowledgeable salesmen. The store was in effect, an audiophile heaven. The days of audiophiles, dealers and equipment seem to be numbered.
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I didn't realize that all the stores closed. Did you ever deal with Jack Rubinstein? I bought my first real system from him.
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I am sadden to report that the dealer I purchased my SP3 from, the HiFi House, has gone out of business. They had three stores with one being in Jenkinstown, outside Philly. It was a great store with knowledgeable salesmen. The store was in effect, an audiophile heaven. The days of audiophiles, dealers and equipment seem to be numbered.
It really is sad. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out how to have a local shop where you can audition and survive in today's (and tomorrow's?) business climate but so far no luck. I think where you do it on the side out of your house may be one of the few viable methods left. Sorry to hear.
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I didn't realize that all the stores closed. Did you ever deal with Jack Rubinstein? I bought my first real system from him.
Unfortunately, I do not recall meeting him. And, the fact that all the stores closed speaks volumes about the future of the Hi Fi industry. This store was lacking nothing. In fact, it was akin to a HiFi Disneyland.

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It really is sad. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out how to have a local shop where you can audition and survive in today's (and tomorrow's?) business climate but so far no luck. I think where you do it on the side out of your house may be one of the few viable methods left. Sorry to hear.
I think the future in audio will be that customers will have to deal direct with the manufacturer. The HiFi House was a great method of hearing the SP3, but when I needed any service, I dealt directly with Bryston, and I always had a favorable experience with instantaneous results. Dealers may be a thing of the past.
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I think the future in audio will be that customers will have to deal direct with the manufacturer. The HiFi House was a great method of hearing the SP3, but when I needed any service, I dealt directly with Bryston, and I always had a favorable experience with instantaneous results. Dealers may be a thing of the past.
I think you're right, gbaby. In the San Francisco Bay Area, I couldn't find a dealer who stocked/demoed the SP3 and other Bryston gear I was interested in, so I ended up getting it from a great dealer in Minnesota who provided far better service than the local guys. The audio dealers in my area are typically arrogant, uninformed order-takers. While one might order electronics on faith after consulting reviews and other information, the loss of the ability to audition high-end speakers is a real problem. I'd suggested to Bryston that they develop a certified users group, where owners of the gear would be trained by Bryston and demo the products in their homes to prospective, serious customers. Legacy Speakers did this when they were developing their brand. UG members shouldn't be paid, in my view, to keep things as objective as possible, but Bryston might offer minor perks for active participants. What we may see is regional dealers, where one must fly in and spend a day or two for demos; some high-end stores offer the customer a night's lodging to encourage this sort of thing. My view of the likelihood, though, is your view that factory-direct, internet-only may be the way of future sales structures. We used to have wonderful dealers in SF during the golden age of hi-fi, but things have gone the way of computer technology . . . you're on your own.

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RJ, do you have an Apple TV3? I'd love to know how it sounds on the SP3 compared to the Bryston BDP-2.
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RJ, do you have an Apple TV3? I'd love to know how it sounds on the SP3 compared to the Bryston BDP-2.
Sorry, I don't. I'm waiting for the next-gen model, which is way overdue (908 days and counting since the last model). The BDP-2/BDA-2 combo is fantastic through the SP3's Balanced 2 inputs.

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Sorry, I don't. I'm waiting for the next-gen model, which is way overdue (908 days and counting since the last model). The BDP-2/BDA-2 combo is fantastic through the SP3's Balanced 2 inputs.

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The reason I asked is that I am just only beginning to understand all this streaming and digital player technology. The Bryston BDP-2 is a digital player with a digital output. I am using an Apple TV with my music encoded using aiff, and the music is streamed to two systems in my home using airplay. While the signal is 2 channel, I always play the signal back using 7.1 Dolby Prologic IIx music. The music sounds great to my ears. I have decided that based upon a post by you on another site, I do not have a need for the Bryston BDA-2 because it is only a 2 channel D/A converter, therefore, I may as well using the Bryston SP3 as my D/A converter for a digital player since I can avoid the A/D-D/A conversion which will compromise fidelity.

I am trying to determine if my Apple TV is sufficient as a digital player or if I need the Bryston BDP-2. The Apple TV cost only $99.00, and I was hoping that perhaps you or someone else can make a sound comparison.
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Has any owner of the SP3 auditioned Apple TV as a streamer on the SP3? If so, what are your opinions of the sound of music streamed to Apple TV to the Bryston SP3?
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RJ, can the Bryston BDP2 connect directly to the SP3 without having a separate D/A converter?
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RJ, can the Bryston BDP2 connect directly to the SP3 without having a separate D/A converter?
Yes, gbaby, it should; I'd recommend one of the AES/EBU inputs of the SP3. The only reason I say "should" is that I haven't used this connection. James at Bryston should confirm this functionality (he also recommended the AES/EBU path). I have my BDP-2 connected to a BDA-2 and then to the SP3 Balanced 2 input. BTW, this path allows you to use Dolby ProLogic and other modes, or straight two-channel.

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Yes, gbaby, it should; I'd recommend one of the AES/EBU inputs of the SP3. The only reason I say "should" is that I haven't used this connection. James at Bryston should confirm this functionality (he also recommended the AES/EBU path). I have my BDP-2 connected to a BDA-2 and then to the SP3 Balanced 2 input. BTW, this path allows you to use Dolby ProLogic and other modes, or straight two-channel.

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Thank you. This is great news. Now if I only knew how much better iTunes encoded aiff streamed through Apple TV sounds compared to the BD2.
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RJ, have you ever thought about connecting the BDP-2 directly to the SP3 using the digital AES path?
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RJ, have you ever thought about connecting the BDP-2 directly to the SP3 using the digital AES path?
I had originally planned to do this, but the BDA-2 was wonderfully smooth and accurate, so I opted for it.

BTW, there are replies today that may be helpful addressing your posts on AudioAficionado: http://www.audioaficionado.org/bryst...rdered-24.html

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I had originally planned to do this, but the BDA-2 was wonderfully smooth and accurate, so I opted for it.

BTW, there are replies today that may be helpful addressing your posts on AudioAficionado: http://www.audioaficionado.org/bryst...rdered-24.html

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RJ, you can really fill the gap in serious ommisions by reviewers of the BDP-2 by connecting it directly to the SP3 digitally (AES) and comparing the sound of it vs. the sound coming from the BDA-2. I do not thingk the BDP-2 was properly evaluated or reviewed by any of the professional reviewers. If one enjoys surround sound, then it makes sense to connect the BDP-2 directly to the SP3 because you would avoid the A/D and D/A conversion of the BDA-2 connection if this makes sense. You mentioned once that the BDA-2 offered an incremental improvement in sound over the SP3. So, this information is important. We need owners to fill the gap from deficient reviews from the professionals who are possibly limited in their reviews due to advertising concerns.
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Gbaby, while I understand your points, alas I won't be able to fulfill your request, as we're still digging out from the Napa earthquake. I had about $15K in damaged speakers, and our system is down . . . way down. I haven't had a chance to check the functionality of the electronics yet.

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Gbaby, while I understand your points, alas I won't be able to fulfill your request, as we're still digging out from the Napa earthquake. I had about $15K in damaged speakers, and our system is down . . . way down. I haven't had a chance to check the functionality of the electronics yet.

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That sucks about the quake and damaging your stuff. I had a flood recently that damaged my sub and screen. Also the ceiling and one wall had to have a section cut out. It gets better. Just replace it if you can.

By the way I lived in Napa Valley a long time ago. Beautiful place. People drive like Mario Andretti though.
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Gbaby, while I understand your points, alas I won't be able to fulfill your request, as we're still digging out from the Napa earthquake. I had about $15K in damaged speakers, and our system is down . . . way down. I haven't had a chance to check the functionality of the electronics yet.

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WOW! I am very sorry to hear this. I am on the east coast of North Carolina (hurricane alley), and I would normally keep abreast of catastrophies, but I was unaware of an earthquake in Napa Valley. I do hope you have insurance for earth quakes and that your deductible is not too high. The most important thing is that you or your family members are not injured. True? Please keep us posted on this unfortunate situation.
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Thanks for the post, gbaby. Luckily, we have no major injuries; I have some cuts and bruises, primarily from cleanup. A couple of blocks away, homes were red-tagged, with homes unsafe for entry, and our neighbors were yellow-tagged, with significant damages, including collapsed fireplaces, roof supports, and broken windows/frames. We lost about $50K in damages inside the home, including our speakers, but it's just stuff. It will take quite awhile to recover, but I really feel sorry for those who lost their homes, and there were many.

Below is a photo of our CD cabinet, as well as one of the red-tagged homes near us and its buckled sidewalk. The links show photos from the local media; the first link is a good overview:

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^ wow even worse than I thought. I am really glad your ok. That is all just stuff. And things like this are what makes us realize it. At first it is extremely traumatic. But then we realize all it is is stuff.

Again I am glad your ok.
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^ wow even worse than I thought. I am really glad your ok. That is all just stuff. And things like this are what makes us realize it. At first it is extremely traumatic. But then we realize all it is is stuff.

Again I am glad your ok.
Much worst than I thought, too. RJ, how many CDs on the floor were in the cabinet?
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About 800 of the 1000ish discs in the cabinet fell. About 300 needed new cases. About 30-50 discs were damaged, including some tough-to-replace SACDs, such as Bill Evans jazz piano (going for $100-250) and several classical titles. Our Paradigm Reference Signature S8 and S4 speakers were severely damaged, along with one of our Velodyne DD-15 subwoofers. Our electronics are okay cosmetically, but I need to check them thoroughly before powering up the system. My 100+ pound Bryston 6BSST amp moved on its shelf about a foot, hanging precariously eight feet from the floor. It's likely that the speaker connections were pulled out.

Still, it's just stuff.

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About 800 of the 1000ish discs in the cabinet fell. About 300 needed new cases. About 30-50 discs were damaged, including some tough-to-replace SACDs, such as Bill Evans jazz piano (going for $100-250) and several classical titles. Our Paradigm Reference Signature S8 and S4 speakers were severely damaged, along with one of our Velodyne DD-15 subwoofers. Our electronics are okay cosmetically, but I need to check them thoroughly before powering up the system. My 100+ pound Bryston 6BSST amp moved on its shelf about a foot, hanging precariously eight feet from the floor. It's likely that the speaker connections were pulled out.

Still, it's just stuff.

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RJ, that really sucks. Thankfully no one in your family was hurt.

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About 800 of the 1000ish discs in the cabinet fell. About 300 needed new cases. About 30-50 discs were damaged, including some tough-to-replace SACDs, such as Bill Evans jazz piano (going for $100-250) and several classical titles. Our Paradigm Reference Signature S8 and S4 speakers were severely damaged, along with one of our Velodyne DD-15 subwoofers. Our electronics are okay cosmetically, but I need to check them thoroughly before powering up the system. My 100+ pound Bryston 6BSST amp moved on its shelf about a foot, hanging precariously eight feet from the floor. It's likely that the speaker connections were pulled out.

Still, it's just stuff.



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So sorry to hear of your troubles, RJ. Glad no one was hurt and that you seem to have a positive attitude. That can help a lot. Best to you and yours.

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